17 comments

  • ddxv51 minutes ago
    I hope that free open weight models prosper and get spread far and wide. I've started actively talking to people I know who pay for Anthropic subscriptions to make sure they know they're funding a company that actively attacks open weights and sees free models as a danger to society.
    • trvz34 minutes ago
      To be fair, both local and cloud models are a boon and danger simultaneously to society.
      • vrganj16 minutes ago
        Sure, but local models at least don't have the threat model of "oligarch decides who's worthy of using them for which usecase"...
        • boxed9 minutes ago
          They just have the threat model of "the plague is distributed among millions and millions of machine so no one can stop it".
    • sharemywin31 minutes ago
      if llm agents can code most current software for significantly cheaper than tradisional software development and open llms can replace a good chunk of that work alot of software moats of today disappear or at least have significant pressure on margins putting alot of the pressure on the "value" propping up the stock market. good for society bad for 401ks.
      • wtch9821 minutes ago
        90% of the Stock Market is owned by 10% of the population. 50% of the stock market is owned by 1% of the population.<p>The larger problem of a collapse is the recession as the whole house of cards falls down, with a government unwilling or unable to stimulate the economy new-deal style.
        • lotsofpulp16 minutes ago
          I wonder how much is owned by taxpayer funded defined benefit pension plans.<p>It does not seem easy to figure out the ultimate beneficiary:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;arpitrage&#x2F;status&#x2F;1227667060987023361?a=p-ErOXNehfAjjYF92Xk&amp;s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;arpitrage&#x2F;status&#x2F;1227667060987023361?a=p-ErOXN...</a>
    • timmg28 minutes ago
      I guess I don&#x27;t understand the business model of &quot;open weights&quot;. Who pays for the training? Who pays for the datasets? Who pays for the reinforcement?<p>People used to say that if you aren&#x27;t paying for the product then you <i>are</i> the product. How do we think open weights will be different?
      • ceejayoz26 minutes ago
        Maybe we should treat it like Wikipedia? A collective project of humanity?
        • timmg19 minutes ago
          Unironically: I think it would be great if there were open-source datasets that we all collaborated on. But, in my opinion, open source would mean the commercial models could use them, too.<p>The hard part about a wikipedia model, overall: it costs hundreds(?) of millions of dollars in compute to train these things. Will we be able to get enough donations to afford that?
          • ceejayoz13 minutes ago
            &gt; The hard part about a wikipedia model, overall: it costs hundreds(?) of millions of dollars in compute to train these things.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan&#x2F;2025-2026&#x2F;Budget_Overview" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_...</a><p>Annual Budget: $207.5M
      • ddxv20 minutes ago
        You are right that any closed or open source model that isn&#x27;t run locally or by a company you reallly trust, is going to be storing an monetizing your prompts. An interesting take I heard was how LLMs will change discovery in cases going forward because people are sending so much of what they are thinking to be recorded by OpenAI or Anthropic.
      • curt1525 minutes ago
        Who pays for Linux development?
        • wtch9822 minutes ago
          Most developers are paid for by large ompanies selling linux commercially, either directly (like redhat, canonical etc) or as services (google, microsoft, amazon)
      • vrganj15 minutes ago
        Who paid for the LHC?
  • bitmasher919 minutes ago
    Anthropic sells the most intelligent intelligence, and they have secured enough compute to build even smarter intelligence. There is the possibility of a chain reaction (AI trains better AI which trains better AI) that ANT leads. This valuation is justified simply by Claude being marginally smarter than its competitors and enterprise customers paying for this advantage.<p>This is the ANT bet:<p>1. With current technology, using more computer resources will result in a measurably smarter model.<p>2. ANT will have more compute resources than anyone else for the next 5 years.<p>3. The intelligence gap provides meaningful competitive advantage.<p>4. The regulatory, monetary, or military environments don’t stop ANT from doing its work.
    • ernst_klim7 minutes ago
      &gt; enterprise customers paying for this advantage<p>If better would always mean &quot;economically expedient&quot;, we all would fly on hypersound commercial jets.<p>If $2 model in the hands of good engineer can do the same as $20 model, anthropic will be soon killed by self-hosted open-weight models.
    • 1ba911545416 minutes ago
      Fill your boots. I&#x27;ll buy some when it totally tanks. :)
    • shalom111213 minutes ago
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  • lvoudour4 minutes ago
    This looks like a &quot;winner takes all&quot; valuation, but I can&#x27;t for the life of me see the &quot;winner takes all&quot; scenario. I see strong commercial competition + competitive free models. Am I blind?
  • hisfraudulency4 minutes ago
    Not the worst thing in the world. If they IPO&#x27;d five months ago at $1.8T and dropped to $1.3 by EOY, they would lose trust of institutional and retail investors.
  • FinnKuhn40 minutes ago
    Seems as if major investors saw this coming already, so not that surprising if you have been paying attention.<p>&gt; Major Investors Are Skeptical Anthropic IPO Can Achieve $1.5T Valuation (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50386597">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50386597</a>)
    • jaccola9 minutes ago
      What&#x27;s 200B between friends?
  • preommr7 minutes ago
    I just don&#x27;t see how they don&#x27;t get that valuation.<p>Not because it&#x27;s sensible (it isn&#x27;t), but because of how much hype is behind it, which is all that matters nowadays.
  • wwizo11 minutes ago
    Good for them. A bit lower than initially estimated, yet still quite north to what they bring to the table today. Is there a market consensus on what their current and future moats are? Models alone will not do it. Ecosystem is can be rivaled (&quot;opus make clone of claude.ai&quot;). What else?
  • Havoc19 minutes ago
    Rough timing for them with everything dropping and everyone spooked
    • jorisw17 minutes ago
      They kind of are part of that timing, no?
  • PacificSpecific24 minutes ago
    Is this value finally locked in? Can they still change it?
    • ceejayoz24 minutes ago
      &quot;to seek&quot; and &quot;to get&quot; are not the same, no.
  • plutokras35 minutes ago
    &gt; Anthropic will seek a valuation of around $1.33 trillion in its initial public offering [...]<p>That still feels wildly overvalued. SpaceX went public at a $1.77 trillion valuation, and its P&#x2F;E ratio is already a whopping 617.7. Anthropic doesn&#x27;t even own data centers, rockets, a social media platform, or a profitable internet service.
    • irthomasthomas30 minutes ago
      Good use of price anchoring.
    • winfredJa14 minutes ago
      spaceX doesnt have P&#x2F;E since they dont make profit and are not going to for a very long time.
    • infecto20 minutes ago
      How does that compare to a swag of Anthropic’s P&#x2F;E?
    • thatsabadlook33 minutes ago
      It is wildly over valued
      • rvz15 minutes ago
        The numbers are made up as well as the valuation.
    • ceejayoz25 minutes ago
      &gt; Anthropic doesn&#x27;t even own data centers, rockets, a social media platform, or a profitable internet service.<p>On the flip side, their valuation isn&#x27;t mostly based on one person who could leave or go (more) insane at any time.
  • throwa35626216 minutes ago
    1.3T for what?<p>What assets do they have? A bunch of models that at best are 3 months before the competition? They barely own any hardware, everything they use is rented at a very high price.<p>Know how? Dont make me laugh. Google and deepseek are doing all innovations. When was the last time Anthropic published a cool idea?<p>Infrastructure? They dont own any, and since their training and inference is notoriously inefficient they are bleeding money to data center providers.<p>Customers? Their customer list is shrinking by the day. Companies are reducing their token budget. Some completely moving to on-prem.<p>Exactly what here is worth this much money??<p>I personally will pull out of any index fund that includes openai and anthropic. Let someone else loose their savings.
  • dawie34 minutes ago
    CNBC version: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;11&#x2F;10&#x2F;anthropic-sets-price-range-of-70-to-78-in-upcoming-ipo.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;11&#x2F;10&#x2F;anthropic-sets-price-range-o...</a> (no paywall)
  • thatsabadlook33 minutes ago
    Do they have to threaten the us economy every week by forcing citizens to be exit liquidity for their investors? It&#x27;s not cute. People are getting sick of it.
    • 1ba911545414 minutes ago
      Well said. We already had to deal with SpaceX.
  • jorisw43 minutes ago
    Paywalled
  • DIE_DIE_DIE41 minutes ago
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  • BadBadJellyBean34 minutes ago
    I offer $3.50. Take it or leave it.
  • Varelion34 minutes ago
    lol. Lmao, even.