32 comments

  • Aurornis1 hour ago
    Unless you have a true, irreplaceable need for a 16GB model, everyone should just pretend they don&#x27;t exist.<p>Most hobby use cases would be fine with the 1GB, 4GB, or even 8GB versions.<p>I thought we all established long ago that trying to use a Raspberry Pi like a computer or laptop replacement was not a good idea, because every past Rapsberry Pi thread has been inundated with comments encouraging everyone to get a NUC or a used computer instead.<p>The Raspberry Pi is great if you need what it offers, but at some point the mainstream Raspberry Pi community lost the plot and started treating them like laptop, desktop, or server replacements, which they were never great at. Now that the people who need a desktop or server have re-discovered that they&#x27;re better off using an actual desktop or an actual server for their purposes, we should get back to treating these like embedded systems boards.
    • Dylan1680758 minutes ago
      I get it that it&#x27;s not necessary but the ram upgrade from 8 to 16 used to be a $40 splurge, and that was with healthy profits for everyone involved.<p>And now you pay the old 16GB price for 4GB.
    • necovek25 minutes ago
      I just got a Minisforum UM870 Slim with AMD Ryzen™ 7 8745H for €304 (taxes included + €30 shipping), and sourced locally used SODIMM DDR5 RAM at ~120 EUR for 16GB: I&#x27;d certainly take a full-fledged mini PC at 450 EUR than a Pi at 385 USD + VAT + customs fee (pretty much the same price most likely).<p>Yes, I&#x27;m missing an NVMe SSD in there too, but I&#x27;ve got a bunch of older 512GB drives around from upgraded computers.<p>Power usage is probably lower on the Pi5, but likely not by much anymore in the idle state.
    • vablings32 minutes ago
      The RPI was really good because it was a powerful SOC that ran Linux with lots of GPIO and easy to operate. Now there are a dime a dozen ESP32 based projects that give you the same flexibility. You should almost never buy a RPI for projects these days, its completely overkill
      • aivisol26 minutes ago
        Do you have any references to ESP32 running Linux?
        • kotaKat11 minutes ago
          Sup. They just dropped some new hotness that does in fact run Linux. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.i-programmer.info&#x2F;news&#x2F;91-hardware&#x2F;19197-the-esp32-s31-runs-linux.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.i-programmer.info&#x2F;news&#x2F;91-hardware&#x2F;19197-the-esp...</a>
    • piyh58 minutes ago
      A Pi 4 is my son&#x27;s primary computer, GCompris, Tux Racer, my vibe coded apps for him are the primary use cases.
      • Brian_K_White25 minutes ago
        Are they using the gpio&#x2F;i2c&#x2F;spi at all? Otherwise literally anything else is better.<p>Even if using those, if it&#x27;s not in a robot or a weatherproof box on a pole or something, then a usb gpio dongle on a pc or mac makes 900x more sense.<p>The fact that something is done does not serve as an example that something makes any sense to do.<p>Using a pi for a computer is like when women knit sweaters for things that don&#x27;t benefit from sweaters.
      • iLoveOncall55 minutes ago
        And at $400 it doesn&#x27;t make sense for it to be. You could buy a much better computer for the same price.
        • utternerd30 minutes ago
          Yep, the small form factor market is amazing now. A cheap N100 blows any RPi away and will be similar in cost and power consumption. You also get nifty things like a semi-usable iGPU and QuickSync which is perfect for transcoding.
    • mschuster911 hour ago
      &gt; because every past Rapsberry Pi thread has been inundated with comments encouraging everyone to get a NUC or a used computer instead.<p>The thing is, they are all x86. The currently available ways to get an ARM general purpose computer are... Raspberry, Raspberry clones of various degrees of shittyness, Apple&#x27;s lineup and a few Chromebooks plus even rarer Windows systems that no one wants because nothing runs on them.
      • andOlga45 minutes ago
        &gt; Windows systems that no one wants because nothing runs on them<p>You might want to give Windows on Arm another spin if you haven&#x27;t touched it lately, because you&#x27;re either operating on very outdated information or you work in a very narrow field. Everything I tried throwing at it runs on mine. Exceptions are some drivers and kernel mode anticheat in games.
        • mschuster9138 minutes ago
          They got 3% of market share [1]. That&#x27;s laughable, no one tests for that, and I personally won&#x27;t touch Qualcomm crap with a ten foot pole if I can avoid it.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itdaily.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;workplace&#x2F;qualcomm-snapdragon-x-pc-windows-on-arm&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itdaily.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;workplace&#x2F;qualcomm-snapdragon-x-pc...</a>
          • bigyabai33 minutes ago
            They didn&#x27;t dispute market share, they were just suggesting that the software deficiencies you were pointing out are outdated.
          • cbm-vic-2027 minutes ago
            2027 is the year of the Linux.. er. ARM Windows desktop!
      • copperx28 minutes ago
        What about a $500 Mac Mini?
    • emil-lp56 minutes ago
      &gt; <i>Unless you have a true, irreplaceable need for a 16GB model</i><p>I need to `npm install strip`
      • ethersteeds13 minutes ago
        <i>They hated Jesus because He told the truth</i>
    • deadbabe37 minutes ago
      People are irrationally obsessed with the idea of a very small cheap computer that could replace their laptop or desktop, for no reason.<p>If you created a little cube the size of an Apple Watch with built in WiFi and Bluetooth, and maybe put a little LED screen on it, and it could run Linux and could be powered with POE and USB-C or something, people would feel an urge to just buy one, with no real use case for it.
      • adzm27 minutes ago
        Cube? Make it an icosahedron and I&#x27;m listening
    • TacticalCoder1 hour ago
      &gt; Most hobby use cases would be fine with the 1GB, 4GB, or even 8GB versions.<p>Oh yup... I&#x27;m running <i>unbound</i> (DNS resolver) at home 24&#x2F;7 on a Pi 3 from 2015 since years and years. Zero issue. I run that on a Pi because that one really needs to be on 24&#x2F;7 and hardly consumes any resources (I mean: it&#x27;s just DNS queries). But a Pi simply ain&#x27;t good for much more than that.<p>&gt; I thought we all established long ago that trying to use a Raspberry Pi like a computer or laptop replacement was not a good idea, because every past Rapsberry Pi thread has been inundated with comments encouraging everyone to get a NUC or a used computer instead.<p>I fully agree. For the proper stuff I encourage anyone to buy used enterprise gear with proper RAM (<i>i.e.</i> ECC RAM) and a proper CPU (like a Xeon).<p>I&#x27;ve got four NUCs too but the real workhorse is a used Xeon with ECC RAM.<p>&gt; The Raspberry Pi is great if you need what it offers, but at some point the mainstream Raspberry Pi community lost the plot and started treating them like laptop, desktop, or server replacements, which they were never great at.<p>I agree. I&#x27;ve got like seven Pi (I was an early adopter of those) but don&#x27;t ever plan to buy another.<p>It&#x27;s like you said: they lost the plot (not just the community: those who make them too).
      • quietsegfault48 minutes ago
        The person who pays the electric bill takes issue with your recommendation to use old enterprise gear.
  • haunter1 hour ago
    I&#x27;m buying up broken screen old Android smartphone instead.<p>For example I got several broken screen Huawei P20s from 2018, they were 10€ each. 128GB storage with 4GB RAM <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gsmarena.com&#x2F;huawei_p20-9107.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gsmarena.com&#x2F;huawei_p20-9107.php</a><p>They boot up, you can install termux and then whatever is your choice of Linux software. I run several copyparty instances for friends and family<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;packages&#x2F;com.termux&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;packages&#x2F;com.termux&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;9001&#x2F;copyparty" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;9001&#x2F;copyparty</a><p>The only thing I&#x27;m not a big fan of is the charging. Non-removable battery, already 8 or so years old, obviously the phone needs power to work. So I&#x27;m a bit worried about the fire hazard.
    • wmchen1 hour ago
      &gt;Huawei P20<p>&gt;The only thing I&#x27;m not a big fan of is the charging. Non-removable battery, already 8 or so years old, obviously the phone needs power to work. So I&#x27;m a bit worried about the fire hazard.<p>My family (n=3) owned the Huawei P20 Pro (acquired at the same time in the same promo, perhaps the same batch?). This product line seems to have serious issues with battery swelling. Each phone had spicy pillows at some point within 2 years of ownership. Even outside the warranty period, Huawei was willing to replace the battery at their cost, at their contracted Toronto repair centre. Each of the repaired phones had their spicy pillows return within 6-9 months. Huawei was still willing to repair the phones, but at that point I&#x27;d rather have recycled it. I strongly suspect Huawei was avoiding doing a voluntary recall and triaging it through their RMA process, given how little resistance their customer support put up (they immediately sent back an RMA label without requiring any pictures).
      • semi-extrinsic43 minutes ago
        FWIW I have a P30 Pro that I used for 5 years without a hitch, and still sits fully functioning in a box serving as a backup in case my current phone gets damaged. So that generation likely did not have the same issue.
    • athrowaway3z1 hour ago
      To add onto this for others.<p>There is Android TalkBack (for poor vision) which is available on first boot&#x2F;factory reset that narrates the menu. Even with a completely broken screen you can get ADB set up.
      • wmchen1 hour ago
        That&#x27;s very creative actually. Might be quite dated but most of the workarounds I&#x27;ve heard of involve plugging in a OTG cable that supports display-out and a mouse.
    • LaurensBER1 hour ago
      Android TV boxes are also great.<p>Slightly more expensive but you won&#x27;t have to deal with battery health and the new ones come with a 1GB NIC and USB 3 ports!
      • Rohansi1 hour ago
        I&#x27;ve always had bad luck with those. They very quickly start running poorly, maybe because the flash worn out.
        • lexicality1 hour ago
          they&#x27;re often packed with malware <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.androidauthority.com&#x2F;android-tv-box-maker-google-botnet-malware-3730930&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.androidauthority.com&#x2F;android-tv-box-maker-google...</a>
          • htrp15 minutes ago
            why does it matter if you nuke the os and reinstall?
      • spwa41 hour ago
        ... and they&#x27;re locked down. Aren&#x27;t they? What box would you recommend?
        • nirav7246 minutes ago
          If you’re in the U.S - look into Walmart’s ONN boxes. They’re cheap and have great performance. Specifically the ONN 4k pro. They’re not even bloated with apps. The apps that are installed can easily be removed. In addition, easy to side load apps and customize.
        • mschuster911 hour ago
          There&#x27;s enough exploits these days, the only advantage of most of these things running on many years old BSPs
    • nijave1 hour ago
      Was considering doing the same until I found a couple old pine64 on eBay for ~$25 (2016, 4 core allwinner CPU, 2gb ddr3)<p>Sometimes there are pretty good deals on laptops, especially off lease. I&#x27;ve seen some $400-500 w&#x2F; 32GB RAM pop up on Slickdeals every few months.
    • paxy1 hour ago
      You can get plenty of mini PCs, used computers and used phones in that price range. They aren’t a substitute for owning a raspberry pi though.
    • vesrah1 hour ago
      How are you getting GPIO?
      • PorciiVorbesc1 hour ago
        Most likely he doesn&#x27;t use GPIO, if it&#x27;s just a tailscale&#x2F;pi-hole client or something like that.<p>If you REALLY need GPIO then just add a USB-C OTG MCU board like a ESP32, or even the ancient Arduino Uno works as USB GPIO via serial TTY on Android.<p>Or just use a ESP32 by itself, if you don&#x27;t need a full Linux OS, just to toggle some GPIO pins via the internet.<p>Possibilities are endless. Just use your imagination, or ask some LLM.
        • thenthenthen49 minutes ago
          How to control the gpio?
          • vablings31 minutes ago
            Several methods. You can run a MQTT server, Lightweight HTTP Server or even just serial over USB. Literally the world is your oyster. Extra special points if you do HTTP over ethernet
          • ahepp28 minutes ago
            Flash the MCU with a program that takes a text protocol over the UART from the host and uses it to control its GPIOs
    • gpugreg1 hour ago
      How did you get into the phones with broken screen?
      • PorciiVorbesc1 hour ago
        The screen glass is cracked but you can still read what&#x27;s on the display to root it.
        • MadameMinty1 hour ago
          That reminds me how I once dropped my phone into a vat of industrial solvent; not for very long, but enough for just a drop or so to enter via the charging port. The substance gradually separated layers of the screen. Touch worked, but the big black blob in the OLED eventually overtook the entire screen. Before it went completely dark, I enabled screenshot upload (aside from camera roll) to Dropbox. Then it was just a matter of taking screenshots and measured taps to turn the phone into a very fine GSM modem&#x2F;wi-fi router as I looked into getting another phone.<p>Rooting with a completely melted screen would be a little harder, but hey, maybe rooting could be done by following the instructions step-by-step with a little faith, and then post-root the USB might work with an external portable monitor? I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s a solvable problem.
    • Palomides1 hour ago
      are you running an EOL OS with an unpatchable kernel? phones have a lot of limitations as general purpose computers
    • busymom01 hour ago
      Or buy used laptops with defects like broken screen or keyboard from FB marketplace.
      • PorciiVorbesc1 hour ago
        Not in my area at least. People gut the RAM from them now to sell separately for profit, and often the HDD too for privacy, so you&#x27;re basically buying a paper weight that&#x27;s a motherboard in a shell.<p>There&#x27;s laptops or X86 tablets with soldered RAM but those are rare and vanish immediately if they show up at a good price.
    • whalesalad1 hour ago
      this is the way. samsung dex is pretty awesome to turn them into pseudo desktop computers.
  • OhMeadhbh1 hour ago
    Sure... but... the original $35 RasPi is closer to a modern RasPi Zero 1, which looks like it&#x27;s selling for $45 - $50 on Amazon.<p>Modern top-of-the-line RasPis seem more like ARM PCs with fast, efficient multi-core CPUs and GigE. I bought a RasPi 500 at the beginning of the year just to see what it was like and it&#x27;s my new &quot;email and light web browsing&quot; daily-driver. Though yeah, I probably wouldn&#x27;t have paid $410 for it.<p>I bought my original RasPi mostly for the I&#x2F;O. I wanted to blink some lights, drive some servos. And if I wanted to do that again, I would probably buy a Pico or Zero.
    • Aurornis1 hour ago
      &gt; Sure... but... the original $35 RasPi is closer to a modern RasPi Zero 1, which looks like it&#x27;s selling for $45 - $50 on Amazon.<p>You want the Pi Zero 2 W, which is under $20 when it&#x27;s in stock.<p>You also need to buy somewhere other than Amazon, which is where sellers go to unload their inventory at exorbitant prices between restocks.
    • oakchris19551 hour ago
      &gt; Sure... but... the original $35 RasPi is closer to a modern RasPi Zero 1, which looks like it&#x27;s selling for $45 - $50 on Amazon.<p>Yeah, because a second-hand 13-year-old computer is gonna last quite a long time.
      • PorciiVorbesc1 hour ago
        A 13 year old computer is gonna use a lot more power than a RPi, that&#x27;s for sure.
  • reeredfdfdf1 hour ago
    If you need GPIO pins, ESP32 is good enough for lots of use cases. If you just need a small low-power PC, used enterprise thin clients and mini-pc&#x27;s (google project tinyminimicro) offer more while still idling around 10W or less. Those can be still bought for like 40-100 USD with SSD and 8GB or more RAM included.<p>I think Raspberry Pi is worth it only for some niche use-cases with current prices.
    • nijave1 hour ago
      Yeah, you can also combine and use both and still come out ahead.<p>ESP32 handles IO and streams data somewhere else that does any processing needed on more powerful hardware.
      • ssernikk53 minutes ago
        Unless you are space-constrained. Then something like RaspberryPi Compute Module is hard to replace.
    • SrslyJosh24 minutes ago
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  • ByteOfWood1 hour ago
    Presumably the only customers buying Pis right now are companies who use them in their products. There are much better options on the used market for people needing small computers&#x2F;servers.
    • Aurornis1 hour ago
      &gt; There are much better options on the used market for people needing small computers&#x2F;servers.<p>Most people realized that the Raspberry Pi was never a great desktop or server replacement a long time ago.<p>It&#x27;s an embedded system and it&#x27;s best when used for embedded applications.<p>These are still purchased and used by hobbyists, but the people who were trying to use them as servers or desktops are not the target audience.
      • iLoveOncall52 minutes ago
        It&#x27;s massively overpowered for most hobbyist embedded applications.
  • vkaku1 hour ago
    You know, a RPi 5 1GB is $77, 4GB is $109, 8GB is $170 and 16GB is $385. None of it makes sense, especially if anyone starts a reballing shop.<p>I was looking to try out Joel&#x27;s TrueNAS on ARM this time with a Pi 5, a PoE and NVMe Hat ... I decided against it and ended up getting a good old cheap x86 compact NAS instead.<p>The pricing is off.
    • aleph_minus_one1 hour ago
      &gt; You know, a RPi 5 1GB is $77, 4GB is $109, 8GB is $170 and 16GB is $385. None of it makes sense, especially if anyone starts a reballing shop.<p>Reballing the RAM of the Raspberry Pi is blocked by its firmware:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.raspberrypi.com&#x2F;viewtopic.php?p=2380887#p2380888" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.raspberrypi.com&#x2F;viewtopic.php?p=2380887#p2380...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49786689">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49786689</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;raspberrypi&#x2F;rpi-eeprom&#x2F;issues&#x2F;761" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;raspberrypi&#x2F;rpi-eeprom&#x2F;issues&#x2F;761</a><p>EDIT: See also <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jeffgeerling.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;raspberry-pi-ram-lockdown&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jeffgeerling.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;raspberry-pi-ram-lock...</a> linked under <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50429356">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50429356</a>
      • kiddico1 hour ago
        How incredibly lame of them
  • silveira19 minutes ago
    I have been buying and using Raspberry Pi 400 (Broadcom BCM2711 quad-core Cortex-A72 ARM v8 64-bit SoC running at 1.8 GHz, 4GB LPDDR4-3200 RAM) that goes from $50 to $39 (Microcenter yesterday). One can do a lot with this.<p>For everything else, either go lower level with ESP32 or higher level with a mini pc.<p>That&#x27;s where we are right now.
  • orthogonal_cube1 hour ago
    The disruption to consumer electronics, both PCs and SBCs, will last for several years at minimum
    • vannevar1 hour ago
      I think we&#x27;ll see prices crash within 12 months, because I don&#x27;t think the data center bubble will last that long.
      • tete57 minutes ago
        Same. Also because the margins are so high due to competition on the buyer side, bottlenecked by production which will continue to increase until there can be price competition on the producer side again.
      • airspresso51 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s cope. We might get a small dip, just like we saw in stocks. Inventing machine intelligence unlocks a lot of automation and innovation. Any data centers the labs and hyperscalers manage to get online the next few years will get filled by demand.
        • tmcb6 minutes ago
          The first real problem machine intelligence companies could solve for their own good is how to avoid the current bottleneck in compute. Until then they are as subject to usual market behavior as much as any other kind of business out there.
        • otabdeveloper424 minutes ago
          &gt; Inventing machine intelligence unlocks a lot of automation and innovation.<p>That a good point. Let&#x27;s hope the RAM hoarding will eventually get us that and not bullshitting hallucination machines.
        • SrslyJosh38 minutes ago
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      • mxuribe1 hour ago
        &lt;eyes-shut-with-fingers-crossed-hoping-the-decimal-is-wrong-and-they-meant-bubble-will-pop-in-1.2-months&gt; &#x2F;s
  • ashton3141 hour ago
    I have a little Linux box that I&#x27;ve been trying to use more frequently instead of my MacBook. Partially just for fun, partially because I want to decouple a little bit from the Apple ecosystem.<p>I was having a <i>ton</i> of stability issues: my filesystem would randomly go read-only after a few minutes. After trawling through my system logs, Claude suggested that it was a memory issue. I ran MemTest86 and it bailed out after 10,000 errors.<p>So now I was very depressed because RAM prices are sky-high and I currently cannot justify spending ~$150---more than what I paid for when I got this box used off of Ebay mind you---to replace the RAM inside.<p>Then I remembered my wife had an old laptop she hasn&#x27;t touched in <i>years</i> lying around. I popped it open and, lo and behold, the RAM was compatible! I felt very fortunate that I was able to do that. Thoughts and prayers for all the folks who need memory---I&#x27;ve felt the despair.
  • OleksandrC36 minutes ago
    Attaching 16 GB of precious RAM to that cheap weak SoC is, at this point, a waste of resources. The original idea was - cheap SoC + cheap RAM = cheap SBC. The SoC is still cheap and crappy but the RAM is now worth so much more. The pairing no longer makes any practical sense.
  • 0x_rs1 hour ago
    RPi Foundation decided who their customers were during and after the pandemic, no doubt thanks to years of community goodwill put into an increasingly uncompetitive product, especially so now. The good thing is the world moved on, there&#x27;s tons of alternatives, and you really should look elsewhere and also past SBCs for anything with <i>that</i> much RAM.
    • eddieroger59 minutes ago
      I don&#x27;t mean this with snark, but who did they land on? I have struggled to place the Pi for a long time because the range of things it can do is so broad, but then it gets limited by things like using an SD card for primary storage (which can fail). So while this could be a perfectly good home server, I wouldn&#x27;t be able to rely on the boot drive. It also makes a really good first computer, but leaving it naked doesn&#x27;t mean I can slot it in front of my kiddos and hope they&#x27;ll be fine. I keep a Pi running attached to a monitor in my kitchen running a Home Assistant dashboard, and that&#x27;s pretty good, but is that the sweet spot?
      • colejohnson6656 minutes ago
        The Pi 5 (and 4?) can boot from external hard drives, including NVMe SSDs over PCIe. Granted, you&#x27;re limited to PCIe 2.0 x1 (~1 Gb&#x2F;s) or USB 3 (5 Gb&#x2F;s), but the point still stands.
  • paimapi1 hour ago
    ESP32 devices are still cheap enough but with a less-good ecosystems due to the Pi&#x27;s popularity. I do plan on picking up a few Pi 2 Ws which are still selling at a MicroCenter near me for $18 with only three bucks of markup just for setting up a Pi-Hole and some other IoT project but yeah, looking at even the Chinese made boards like Raspberry Orange sees prices north of $70 which is just not worth it for something with this capability. At this point, why not just get a refurb&#x27;d thin client or mini-pc?
    • beachy1 hour ago
      Esp32 is pretty damn powerful for the cost. We have one driving a display and keyboard, speaking and playing synthesize sounds through attached sound chip, driving an ADC over SPI at a high rate and talking Bluetooth to an attached device and talking wifi to the cloud. On a device that costs a few bucks.
    • manIliketea39 minutes ago
      You can buy them for very cheap on AliExpress. I spent more on a very cheap $6 soldering kit than on the ESP32 board I had to solder.
  • batrat1 hour ago
    And it all started with $32. Also 16GB of RAM is a lot for RPi, IMO.
    • justin6615 minutes ago
      It started at $35&#x2F;unit, in the United States at least. I&#x27;ve still got the invoice for my 256MB Model B...<p>$35 today gets you a 1GB Pi 4 Model B. For somebody who actually needs the form factor, it&#x27;s pretty much a fine value.<p>For somebody who wants a server, it&#x27;s always been a weird choice. (sorry Jeff :D )<p>For somebody who wants a desktop, the Raspberry Pi 500+ was a really fun choice when I bought mine in January. They cost twice as much today, which is sad. (although if anyone is feeling the desire <i>and</i> lives near a store, Microcenter has them on sale for $100 off...)
    • Aurornis1 hour ago
      The entry level option is the Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W, which is still $15<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.raspberrypi.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;raspberry-pi-zero-2-w&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.raspberrypi.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;raspberry-pi-zero-2-w&#x2F;</a><p>It also has twice the RAM of the original Raspberry Pi (at launch), plus WiFi, plus a lot of CPU power, and a powerful GPU, and a lot more.<p>I have a 16GB model and I use that much RAM for some specific development work on the Raspberry Pi platform, but now I wish they had never announced the 16GB model. It has created so many complaints from people who shouldn&#x27;t and won&#x27;t be buying it.
    • nbernard1 hour ago
      It depends a lot on your use case. For headless stuff (automation that mostly uses the GPIO, for instance, or running a few &quot;old school&quot; server processes), you usually don&#x27;t need that much RAM. However, when used as desktop computers, 8GB becomes the bare minimum to run a modern Web browser with a few tabs...
    • varispeed1 hour ago
      Someone said 640kB is enough for everyone.
  • robleafwagner1 hour ago
    Old lenovo mini computers unless you need something very lightweight.
  • a1o1 hour ago
    I bought this at launch and didn’t think much. It’s weird seeing price go up as much.
  • nshm1 hour ago
    Why do you want Pi5 if you can get a smartphone with a screen?
    • blharr1 hour ago
      Because a smartphone is locked down by default. I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s lots you can&#x27;t just easily do with it.<p>The development experience of something like Android itself seems super unfriendly for beginners (as someone who is admittedly a beginner to it)
      • lilbigdoot34 minutes ago
        It&#x27;s not as locked down as you might think. I was surprised how easy it was to root a couple of devices, one an old pixel and one a pretty new one<p>It&#x27;s definitely a bit odd, the Android environment, but I didn&#x27;t feel blocked on it. Also ended up unrooting one because termux and the built in debian VM on Android now give everything I need<p>Termux + X11+ XFCE is surprisingly nice on a vanilla phone
      • tete52 minutes ago
        The Raspberry Pi is also somewhat locked down compared to most competing devices. But yeah phones are even more. :)
      • varispeed1 hour ago
        There is a lot of AI-aided effort going on &quot;hacking&quot; the bootloaders. Hopefully someone will figure out how to unlock them.
    • imdsm1 hour ago
      Do you think perhaps there are reasons other than using ... a smartphone?
  • trevithick1 hour ago
    Look, it&#x27;s a misallocation of resources for you to own any RAM at all, and you should thank Sam Altman for letting you have some at any price.
    • Levitz45 minutes ago
      It&#x27;s impressive how evidently right he is in the context he spoke those words in and how pervasive the narrative twisting them has gotten.
    • varispeed1 hour ago
      This strategy is designed to protect their margins so nobody can self-host similarly capable models.<p>Unfortunately there is no appetite for governments to step in.
    • dofm1 hour ago
      Is it a worse misallocation, I wonder, than doing what most people do with Raspberry Pis, which is leave it in a drawer ;-)
      • OptionX1 hour ago
        My 4 is, but only after a good while as my home server until I bumped up against the limitations of the hardware and upgraded to a proper server. So I suppose it did its job as a home lab gateway drug.
        • dofm1 hour ago
          Yeah, currently I have a 3B, 2B and an original wifi-free zero in a drawer.<p>The 3B was my Octoprint server for the longest time while I was testing the 4B for a product, but for reasons I don&#x27;t really understand, the 3B isn&#x27;t quite punchy enough for Klipper, when it fully should be; it drops connections to the printer. I think any of them may continue to have some uses but perhaps not till I move to a new place.<p>Haven&#x27;t gone for a 5B or Zero 2W yet, don&#x27;t really need to. Rather more interested in what happens with the Picos these days.
  • cheschire1 hour ago
    make a 128GB version and call it Raspberry Ai<p>What on earth are these SKUs even targeting? 16GB in a raspi is nuts.
    • lapetitejort1 hour ago
      You are one executive order [0] behind, and are legally required to call it the Raspberry Si<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;presidential-actions&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;inaugurating-the-era-of-super-intelligence&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;presidential-actions&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;inau...</a>
      • mac3n58 minutes ago
        that&#x27;s a scam to move money from Anguilla (.AI) to Slovenia (.SI)
      • eichin52 minutes ago
        Unless they&#x27;re <i>part of the executive branch</i> that order doesn&#x27;t apply. (Which is kind of too bad, under the &quot;if it actually works it gets a name and isn&#x27;t AI anymore&quot; rules we <i>need</i> a new name... but This Isn&#x27;t It.)
  • hoppp1 hour ago
    Used laptops have always been a better value.
  • alentred1 hour ago
    The prices are crazy, but the uncertainty makes the choices even harder. I have my eyes on a Framework laptop 13 for some time. I was considering buying it with less RAM now, and then buying more RAM later. Now what I fear is: by the time RAM prices become reasonable, we might as well be using DDR7. So, even with a custom-built desktop PC or a Framework laptop it would be a pity to have to upgrade everything. On the other hand, it may well be our new reality, so maybe better buying in into 64GB RAM now? Not even sure if my reasoning is correct.
  • pkoird1 hour ago
    I don&#x27;t understand? Should they be sold at a lower price when people are still willing to buy at the current higher price?
    • paxy1 hour ago
      It isn’t even about people willing to buy at $X. The Pi foundation has to pay for RAM like everyone else.
      • varispeed1 hour ago
        No. They are greedy bastards:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jeffgeerling.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;raspberry-pi-ram-lockdown&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jeffgeerling.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;raspberry-pi-ram-lock...</a>
        • kube-system58 minutes ago
          The article you&#x27;ve linked makes no claim that it has anything to do with greed any everything to do with protecting the supply chain since there is currently a large monetary incentive for people to fuck with it.<p>They have been struggling for years to match supply with demand, and RAM arbitrage would undermine those efforts... and the market would be flooded with flaky boards remanufactured in the cheapest possible way.
          • Dylan1680745 minutes ago
            I don&#x27;t follow. Assuming they&#x27;re not being greedy, why would ram arbitrage be profitable enough to undermine their efforts?
            • paxy21 minutes ago
              It says so right in the article. People were flooding the market with cheap&#x2F;counterfeit&#x2F;misconfigured Raspberry Pis and the organization was on the hook for support and dealing with angry customers.
    • philipwhiuk1 hour ago
      The purpose of the Pi is affordable computing for learning. That&#x27;s pointless if the system is very expensive.
      • djhworld1 hour ago
        the original pi launched in 2012 for like $35 I think<p>the pi5 1GB model is now $45, so with inflation etc that&#x27;s not too bad considering the feature set.<p>However, getting your hands on a 1GB model these days is practically impossible unless you go used.
      • justincormack1 hour ago
        People are going to have to learn to program with less RAM....
        • cyanydeez1 hour ago
          one could argue America is forcing China to learn how to program better via it&#x27;s GPU sanctions.
          • switchbak59 minutes ago
            Guffaw, as if people are &quot;learning to program&quot; anymore.<p>But the USA is definitely forcing Deepseek to learn how to write leaner code! Bring it on.
      • dofm1 hour ago
        Not really anymore, no.<p>The Foundation and the Trading Company have different goals, and the Foundation is not wedded to the Linux SBC Pi at all for this.<p>Physical computing education with Python is more than adequately served by the RP2040 and RP2350, and that is more or less where their focus is.<p>(Beyond that I think most of this is just geek whining, to be honest.)
      • Palomides1 hour ago
        a perfectly serviceable new rpi 3 is available for $39
      • paxy1 hour ago
        So they should dissolve the organization because RAM is expensive?
    • sparrish1 hour ago
      It was their stated mission, yes.<p>&#x27;Our mission is to put high-performance, low-cost, general-purpose computing platforms in the hands of people and organisations all over the world,&#x27;<p>Hard to do that when you keep jacking the prices up.
      • sdenton41 hour ago
        It&#x27;s a matter of RAM costs, rather than profit seeking, no?
  • ex1fm3ta22 minutes ago
    Multiple theories have spawned regarding the usage, I strongly suspect that they are being used in drones for military purposes, hence the shortage at some point and the prices that are skyrocketing.
  • vannevar1 hour ago
    It will stop when the data center bubble bursts. Right now a small group of companies are borrowing huge amounts of money to corner the market in compute in order to use it for AI. But there&#x27;s no evidence that real AI revenue (as opposed to more borrowed money) will grow fast enough for them to pay for that debt, or that profit margins will be sufficient to make it worth it over the window they need to start recouping. When that realization hits the lenders and investors and the capital spigot shuts off, prices will crash. I think it will be very similar to a precious metals run-up.
  • JeppyG1 hour ago
    Honestly if you told me two years ago where hardware prices are now I wouldn&#x27;t believe you lol. It&#x27;s insane. Even DDR3 RAM is going bonkers.
    • tete54 minutes ago
      The thing with DDR3 RAM is as I understand it not really an &quot;also&quot;. It&#x27;s not that they are made differently it&#x27;s just that the demand for &quot;the best&quot; RAM is so high that all production is going there. The DDR3 market isn&#x27;t just as willing to pay such a markup.
  • spwa41 hour ago
    I keep thinking that the AI gold rush is not an AI gold rush at all. It is a way to monopolize computing in 2 steps:<p>1) AI really does require a scaleup in compute power. In other words: you will be upgrading your hardware or use old software (at least if you want to run local or host your own saas)<p>2) the AI buildout means you can&#x27;t buy the hardware, you can only rent it &quot;in the cloud&quot;, because the AI buildout makes everything too expensive. Including memory, a nonnegotiable component of any computer or server<p>It only works, of course, if Amazon and Google and Meta and ... keep buying for another 2-3 years but that seems to be exactly what&#x27;s happening.<p>Worst of all: monopolies used to at least require investment. But Amazon and Google aren&#x27;t investing, really. They&#x27;re still net profitable companies. It&#x27;s almost insulting.
    • novaRom1 hour ago
      Classical monopoly (or duopoly) requires a moat. This is the moat they build. Everyone will just rent centralized intelligence - that&#x27;s a promise to investors.
      • spwa418 minutes ago
        Yeah, but the key here is: the moat is not AI at all! The moat is they&#x27;re buying all new computers (the key components). Every last one. So you can&#x27;t get one, but you <i>will</i> be renting one, at seriously increased prices.
    • AyanamiKaine51 minutes ago
      That&#x27;s an interesting take. I had a similar thought about safety and how AI providers propagate that using cloud options is safer because hosting a server is open to attack vectors, and who would manage that best if not the big providers themselves.<p>The fact that Hugging Face was attacked not by a small amount of compute but such a vast amount of computation. It was only possible because its already so centralized by Open AI.<p>It feels a bit like cyberpunk where only the big companies in reality will have the resource to pull of such an attack.
  • georgemcbay1 hour ago
    As a 53 year old, I&#x27;ve been starting to feel like there&#x27;s a very real chance I will never buy another brand new computer (for personal use), phone or gaming console in my lifetime, which would be very surprising if you told this to me ~2 years ago.<p>If my computer fails, I have plenty of old components from older systems that I can swap in. I also have quite a few old phones (my primary job over the past decade has been Android development, so I have older test devices that still function fine for my purposes). And consoles are just very optional (and way more costly than I am willing to pay) when they start costing $1500+.<p>Overall there are some positives from this, I&#x27;ll be responsible for less e-waste. This is something I always tried to be cognizant of in the first place, but the economics will really force my hand even more.<p>Of course, things aren&#x27;t all that great considering we got into this situation due to technology running in large datacenters running on lots of dirty power like methane turbines.
  • jauntywundrkind1 hour ago
    If you just want a computer, an Ayn Thor is +$90. It comes with 1TB of UFS 3.1 storage, not one but two fantastic OLED screens, nice joysticks, speakers, and it&#x27;s much much much faster.<p>And it runs a fantastic CachyOS (a super tuned Arch) install, called ArmadaOS, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;armadaos.dev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;armadaos.dev&#x2F;</a><p>2026 has been pretty amazing, with the slow work upstreaming Qualcomm support really building. A bunch of really great chipsets have mainline support and actually work. The Thor is a bit behind SM8550, but SM8650 and SM8750 handhelds are also available (just a bit pricier, and non-dual screen yet).<p>Alas most phones don&#x27;t have unlockable boot loaders. I&#x27;m anti-interested in the sad experience of Android, being unable to read my own files off my device. I really want to be able to read my chrome profile data, for reasons. Absolutely no go.
    • switchbak55 minutes ago
      I&#x27;d much rather buy a 5 year old mini Dell (or Nuc or whatever) that I can reliably put Linux on than some kind of one-off thing like this.<p>Call me cynical after being burned countless times on niche-ass platforms. Even my Framework 13&quot; has a flurry of issues I&#x27;ve never seen on more mainstream hardware. Life is too short to worry about bizarre firmware issues in hardware that no one is paid to support.
  • throwa3562621 hour ago
    Actually, I am happy that mess has lead to people finally questioning if a calculator really needs a full browser backend and use 4GB.<p>I mean, sucks to be a buyer right now but as a developer I like where things are heading :( :)
    • JKCalhoun1 hour ago
      Or even a WiFi stack (looking at you ESP32).
  • FLeXMurphy1 hour ago
    Speaking of, it&#x27;s been a while since I&#x27;ve seen a jeff geerling submission on HN front page.
    • Jeremy10261 hour ago
      He has seemingly been doing a mostly second channel stuff lately. Those rarely make the front page as they are usually just &quot;here is a thing I personally found interesting&quot; projects.
  • varispeed1 hour ago
    Thankfully greedy Raspberry PI locked down memory upgrades, so nobody can save money by soldering off market chips.
  • cowlevel57 minutes ago
    Raspberry Pi enshittified ages ago. If you want an SBC there are better ones.
  • UncleOxidant1 hour ago
    2032