8 comments

  • tokepi5 hours ago
    If the specs seem outdated, it’s because this chip launched in 2024. It’s available at cloud providers including Cirrascale
    • jauntywundrkind4 hours ago
      Thats relieving!<p>I&#x27;m starting to believe in Qualcomm! The Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme is alas only available in a single system, with it&#x27;s tri-channel on-package (!) memory good for 228 GB&#x2F;s. But it&#x27;s a beast. The core is just good, even in the mainstream form in other systems: some of the best single core performance you can get, shy of Apple.<p>And they are upstreaming their stuff much better! They hired a bunch of really good known FOSS developers and it seems to be working!<p>Now they are talking up High Bandwidth Compute as their next big thing. And I want to believe, even if it makes me nervous that they too intend to leave consumer computing completely in the dust. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qualcomm.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;onq&#x2F;2026&#x2F;11&#x2F;qualcomm-hbc-validated-silicon-ai-inference" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qualcomm.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;onq&#x2F;2026&#x2F;11&#x2F;qualcomm-hbc-valid...</a><p>This is, as commented, at M4 Max levels of GB&#x2F;s. It is not impressive. It has some uses! But if this was their modern opening salvo I would not be impressed.
      • redanddead4 hours ago
        &gt; I&#x27;m starting to believe in Qualcomm<p>Someone drop the YouTube link of their robot presentation
        • gleenn56 minutes ago
          The way it drops is priceless.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;aZmt5E151Bk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;aZmt5E151Bk</a>
          • 3eb7988a16635 minutes ago
            Those guys were fast on the draw to cover the body with those sheets.
  • thway152690375 hours ago
    What&#x27;s the price?
    • simlevesque5 hours ago
      According to their own website, they cost 1 cent.
      • wewewedxfgdf4 hours ago
        Less than I expected for this level of GPU power.<p>It&#x27;s a trend I like.
      • bigwheels4 hours ago
        8,750 in stock at 1 cent, too. The more expensive 47 and 63 cent variants are all sold out.
      • thway152690375 hours ago
        Yeah, I clicked that too. But knowing qualcomm they obviously cost an arm and a leg. Still interesting how much.
        • bigwheels4 hours ago
          My research indicates the price is $10-17K USD.
          • InsidiousWombat1 hour ago
            that tracks, $0.01 for chip, and $9999.9 for the memory
          • IgorPartola4 hours ago
            I mean at ten bucks it’s not a bad deal but that’s quite a range.
    • dingdingdang5 hours ago
      Honestly, let me buy one, it&#x27;s many times faster than the minipc I run local ai on so if the price is right I&#x27;m in.
    • martin19754 hours ago
      hopefully less than 5090?
      • wmf3 hours ago
        Not a chance.
  • pearl_panel56 hours ago
    Curious how the memory bandwidth actually holds up under sustained inference loads compared to the spec sheet numbers.
  • swiftcoder5 hours ago
    So it&#x27;s an M4 Max Mac Studio, RAM-wise, with a GPU&#x27;s worth of compute?
    • trvz4 hours ago
      (I know it&#x27;s you comparing it to the M4 Max, not them, but:) it&#x27;s Qualcomm, so it&#x27;ll be compared to the M4 Max, while being slower than a M2 Max.
  • zitterbewegung5 hours ago
    Sort of interesting design It has half a terabyte of SRAM on the accelerator with a 128 GB of RAM replacing HBM with SRAM but keeping regular RAM.
    • 2001zhaozhao5 hours ago
      half a gigabyte not terabyte lol
      • zrm5 hours ago
        Yeah, this thing is unusual. It resembles a consumer GPU but using normal DRAM with more channels, so then you get more RAM but less memory bandwidth than GDDR&#x2F;HBM, which is the same thing Apple does. And the TDP is pretty attractive for what it is.<p>But what is that amount of SRAM for? It simultaneously seems like a lot, because SRAM is so expensive, but still not very much, because what can you fit in 0.5GB? Is there a specific workload that needs something that looks like this?
        • zamadatix4 hours ago
          The Intel D270, Nvidia DGX Spark, and (somewhat) AMD Strix Halo also use the same approach, so it seems to be getting pretty common.<p>SRAM wise it doesn&#x27;t seem <i>too</i> insane. About the same ratio of memory:SRAM as the 5090 (IIRC). Still more than I would have expected. I assume they found it helps process the current layer faster or something.
  • 09172361413 hours ago
    Seems like a reasonable general-purpose card.
  • aetherspawn6 hours ago
    Ok so it’s significantly worse than Apple M6 and we don’t know if it’s cheaper or not<p>Edit: Ah sorry you’re right, the bandwidth is lower but the TOPS is a lot higher. I’m not sure how much effect you get from higher TOPS with such low bandwidth though.
    • zozbot2343 hours ago
      &gt; I’m not sure how much effect you get from higher TOPS with such low bandwidth though.<p>Raised arithmetic intensity. It would be quite good for LLM prefill, and decode would want to adapt by pushing parallelism higher (saving on memory bandwidth by reusing the same layer weights for multiple streams) or, if unable to do so (e.g. due to KV cache constraints) by resorting to speculative decoding (where the expensive &#x27;validate&#x27; step handles tokens in parallel within a single stream). It does not make the platform inherently unviable. It would also do well at other tasks such as image&#x2F;video generation, which is already quite compute bound.
    • dist-epoch5 hours ago
      Apple M6 has 80-100 TOPS.<p>Qualcomm Cloud AI 100 Ultra has 800 TOPS, almost 10 times more.
      • grosswait4 hours ago
        This could be very fast at running embedding models (if it supports the right modes)
      • ipsum25 hours ago
        Considering that memory bandwidth is the most important for inference for most neural networks, that matters more.
    • dist-epoch5 hours ago
      Modern inference stacks use different GPUs for decode versus prefill. This is a GPU suitable for prefill.
  • varispeed6 hours ago
    Aren&#x27;t these specs already outdated? Seems meh. I would think players would like to bring something new to the table instead of bringing what was okay two years ago or so.<p>Give me 1TB RAM and 5TB&#x2F;s or something that exciting.
    • entrope5 hours ago
      For most purposes, this seems reasonable? This looks like a single-height card, so fitting four of these in a workstation or server would give 512 GB RAM and 2 TB&#x2F;s total bandwidth. That&#x27;s pretty attractive for a lot of current LLMs, even if one wishes for 1 TB capacity at 5 TB&#x2F;s bandwidth.
      • throwawayffffas2 hours ago
        If you are going down this path, MI350P and RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell is what you would want. A lot more compute a lot more vram bandwidth.
        • entrope2 hours ago
          Maybe. I don&#x27;t know power for the MI350, but the RTX PRO 6000 is normally a 200-300W card, so you pay 2x the power for 3&#x2F;4th the RAM and 3x the bandwidth. The performance frontier looks very different in terms of power to hold a mid-size model and throughout per user or across users. Price and inference stack would be big factors in what I would choose.
          • throwawayffffas13 minutes ago
            MI350P, H200 NVL and Nvidia RTX PRO 6000 are all 600W but compute wise all of them should be 3 to 4 times more performant than A100 Ultra according to their specifications.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.servethehome.com&#x2F;the-amd-instinct-mi350p-is-a-hbm-pcie-accelerator-that-has-been-all-over&#x2F;amd-mi350p-vs-nvidia-h200-nvl-vs-nvidia-rtx-pro-6000-blackwell-server-edition-key-specs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.servethehome.com&#x2F;the-amd-instinct-mi350p-is-a-hb...</a>
        • zozbot2342 hours ago
          &gt; A lot more compute a lot more vram bandwidth.<p>But this gives you significantly more memory capacity for a compute&#x2F;vram bandwidth tradeoff (i.e. arithmetic intensity) that&#x27;s ultimately comparable to Blackwell, perhaps even more skewed towards compute. This seems good if you care about being able to store larger sparse models and more KV caches because that ultimately bottlenecks your ability to do inference.
      • varispeed4 hours ago
        But there are already plenty of products for most purposes.
    • tempest_6 hours ago
      5 year old GPUs are still at crazy prices.<p>Plenty of businesses want in local inference and are priced out.
      • varispeed4 hours ago
        You can&#x27;t do quality inference on such a toy. It&#x27;s a myth.
        • redanddead4 hours ago
          A great opportunity for huawei<p>Nobody helps China like American corps helps China. Domestic anticompetitive behavior spurs demand for international competition
    • throwawayffffas3 hours ago
      This is all the CPU companies playing catch up with Nvidia and AMD.<p>The thing you are describing is much closer to AMD and Nvidia latest generation server offerings.<p>See MI455X for the absolute cutting edge and MI350P for something you can use outside of a datacenter.
    • mciancia5 hours ago
      8 of those cards give you 1TB of ram and 4.4TB&#x2F;s
      • PhunkyPhil5 hours ago
        It may be a semantic thing but I don&#x27;t think bandwidth pooling works like that? Unless your blocks are distributed perfectly between cards there&#x27;s going to be data passed between each card and from VRAM to compute. Correct me if I&#x27;m wrong though
        • msandford4 hours ago
          I think the way it works is that the weights have to get streamed through the compute and the weights can be split very easily. With multiple cards you do have a coordination&#x2F;communication phase after each layer of weights but that&#x27;s usually much less significant than the compute phase.
        • throwawayffffas2 hours ago
          It depends on how you slice the weights. You can split along layers which means each GPU waits for the previous one to finish or you can split the tensors across gpus.<p>Splitting the tensors is closer to n times the effective vram bandwidth but there are still overhead, sync waits, and reduce steps that eat away at the overall performance.