19 comments

  • anoojb5 minutes ago
    The common trope is, &quot;keep an eye on what the rich want.&quot;<p>Gary is rich. Let&#x27;s assume now, he spends between $10-20K USD on tokens. Whether he gets overwhelming <i>tangible</i> value out of that token spend is immaterial.<p>What he&#x27;s getting out of it is a mix of social signaling value and actual <i>perceived</i> productivity. I don&#x27;t know, but I doubt he has measuring the ROI on the token investment.<p>Much like someone gets various kinds of value out of a a personal tutor for their child. Or a high powered executive who continues to request budget for a &quot;Chief of Staff&quot; and related personnel in 2026.<p>The question is whether this is signal, or noise. Will everyone who has the budget aspire to spend money on tokens as a subtle way of projecting value with some tangible benefit? How long of a runway does this have?<p>Much like a Chief of Staff office, there&#x27;s more to manage...but you you get some tangible benefit by having people to whom you can [in theory] delegate tasks and trust they will be completed. To some degree none of this matters, value is in the eye of the beholder.<p>What a time to be alive. Rich people continue to spend money with abandon, just on different things.
  • bartread1 hour ago
    The thing is, it&#x27;s not actually that hard to spend at that kind of rate.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t say this was the norm, but I have burned through £1k of tokens in a couple of days before. And, on that same gig, I realised a test I was considering running would burn £2.5k worth of tokens over the course of a few hours so spent a couple of hours of my own time re-engineering it to get that down to £150.<p>The point is that I don&#x27;t necessarily know that spending a shitload of money on tokens really tells us anything useful. If he&#x27;s getting a return on that investment, fine, whatever.<p>Obviously most of us couldn&#x27;t afford to spend that much ourselves, no matter how much value it might deliver, and many of our employers wouldn&#x27;t be too happy if we spent it on their dime either. Equally, if you can, and it&#x27;s delivering real value, then I don&#x27;t see why you wouldn&#x27;t?
    • plusfour1 hour ago
      &gt; would burn £2.5k worth of tokens over the course of a few hours<p>details please, if it&#x27;s interesting
      • deadnomore29 minutes ago
        Evaluation loops do this easily. You have to run hundreds of reasoning jobs in parallel and very quickly you can torch thousands of dollars.
      • hparadiz48 minutes ago
        Any 3D work in blender can burn that easily. Add video editing to that mix in any capacity.
    • nodesocket49 minutes ago
      At what point do you buy a Mac studio or AMD Gorgon Halo and try running some of these tasks in local models? Surely don’t need frontier models for all this work.
  • ks20481 hour ago
    YC seems big on quantitative metrics. Is there anything that says he is more efficient than 3 or 4 years ago. Is YC as a whole?
  • bix659 minutes ago
    &gt; he’s suffered from “cyber psychosis” and sometimes barely sleeps<p>Sleep is one of the most important things in the world. Why not have the agents work while you sleep?
    • hackyhacky53 minutes ago
      &gt; Why not have the agents work while you sleep?<p>Even better, why not have the agents sleep <i>for you</i>?<p>EDIT: for those who say this is not realistic, I&#x27;ve had Claude sleep for 10 hours in just 30 seconds. Saved me an entire night.
      • Freedom26 minutes ago
        Care to share your agent setup and harness? I&#x27;ve been trying to do something similar but my Claude only sleeps for about 2 hours before waking up.
    • thephyber38 minutes ago
      If his brain is the thing malfunctioning, then his brain may not be capable of (1) correctly diagnosing the problem as a lack of sleep or (2) honestly prescribing &quot;do things to get better sleep&quot; as the fix.<p>People in psychosis don&#x27;t exactly weigh all of the options with a level head. He may not recognize that he has &quot;cyber psychosis&quot; or that his lack of sleep is a bad thing.
    • itishappy53 minutes ago
      That&#x27;s probably exactly why. Some of my latest nights have been attempting to prepare a long-running overnight task for an agent.<p>It was productive, but as you say, it&#x27;s dangerous to gamble with sleep.
  • glennfiedler1 hour ago
    He’s gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers in this racket
  • fantasizr1 hour ago
    I can&#x27;t recall software being conspicuous consumption until the advent of the AI token. Maybe the first &quot;I am rich&quot; app in the app store for $999.
    • johnfn45 minutes ago
      Pretty sure Joel Spolsky said “we purchase the best machines money can buy for our developers” like 20 years ago. So it’s hardly a new concept.
      • fantasizr0 minutes ago
        I personally recall hardware flexing going back to SGI, but nothing like &quot;look at my salesforce spend&quot;.
      • ASalazarMX29 minutes ago
        I&#x27;ve seen the other side of that coin: &quot;my program is blazing fast in my machine, I don&#x27;t know why those naggy users are complaining!&quot;
    • itishappy1 hour ago
      AWS spend and other service bills?
      • fantasizr53 minutes ago
        My take was when people would post those large bills it was mostly to complain about Amazon or a process having gone wild for comedic purposes.
        • itishappy32 minutes ago
          My take is that disclosures like these are always humble brags and&#x2F;or marketting (look at how much I can afford to spend) with minor complaints rolled in to disguise this fact.<p>&gt; “It’s too expensive right now,” he said, adding that he knows the amount of money he spends on AI agents is “a crazy privilege that not everyone can do.”
    • maxbond1 hour ago
      Superchats and other livestream gifts
      • fantasizr1 hour ago
        Agree I meant mostly in the vein of &quot;look how much I can spend on XYZ because I&#x27;m rich and I can&quot; with questionable value.
  • miltonlost54 minutes ago
    &gt; As an early OpenClaw adopter who is now a power user, Tan says one thing he’s learned is not to treat AI agents like traditional software. Some people are so worried about “repeatability and safety that they actually trade off all of the beautiful parts of working with an AI agent, which basically can be so similar to a human,” he said.<p>This is insane. He&#x27;s turning the failure of his AI assistants to do what he wants every single time and to do it in a safe manner into a positive thing. Failure as a positive!
    • thephyber16 minutes ago
      To be fair, using the scientific method to disprove superstitions is what the Enlightenment was all about and that is the most significant engine of growth and flourishing humankind has known.<p>That said, I approach AI with deep skepticism. I try to learn it, including its strengths and weaknesses. But I don&#x27;t blindly trust it.<p>Coincidentally, my stock brokerage just yesterday sent an email reminding users that anything their agents do using the user&#x27;s credentials is the responsibility of the user.
  • up2isomorphism1 hour ago
    So what has he built?
    • qwr146 minutes ago
      &quot;Garry&#x27;s List&quot; for dark money (this is an established political term, look it up!) donations. Basically you can donate anonymously to a SuperPac.<p>Software? I&#x27;m not aware of anything.
    • meindnoch1 hour ago
      Psychosis?
    • Jtsummers1 hour ago
      A site where he complains about rich people being charitable, among other things.
      • georgemcbay48 minutes ago
        Looks like this is getting downvoted, but it is absolutely true.<p>Garry Tan is fully aligned with Elon Musk in going after MacKenzie Scott&#x27;s charitable giving, making spurious arguments that she&#x27;s doing it in the wrong way when they are all just running cover for the fact that she&#x27;s one of the few at that level of wealth being charitable at all these days.<p>Silly woman, she should give her money away the right way, which I guess is by attempting to buy political power.
        • Jtsummers39 minutes ago
          <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47042593">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47042593</a> - HN discussion (5 comments) on that particular rant of his. And it looks like you were one of the few people to comment on it, so really this is for other people who are missing the context of our comments.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;garryslist.org&#x2F;posts&#x2F;mackenzie-scott-s-26-billion-sugar-pile" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;garryslist.org&#x2F;posts&#x2F;mackenzie-scott-s-26-billion-su...</a> - The rant itself.
    • georgemcbay59 minutes ago
      &gt; So what has he built?<p>&quot;Garry, this is a text file&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Q6nem-F8AG8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Q6nem-F8AG8</a>
    • vrganj1 hour ago
      Finally, the perfect yes-man, the thing execs and VCs always wanted.
    • jgalt2121 hour ago
      a bubble.
  • ShadowOfThePit1 hour ago
    &gt; ...his agent also helps him run his life. “It’s read all of my email and all of my Dropbox. It’s read, like, all of my Apple Notes, even my therapy notes going back 20 years”.<p>&gt; He describes using AI agents as getting help with “almost anything that you do in your day-to-day life. (...) Almost anything you want to do, it knows you, and it’s there to help. And it will actually sort of run ahead and say, ‘What about this?’ Or it’ll help you see around corners.”<p>Wow, impressive. Both the capabilities and how much he&#x27;s willing to share.<p>Is it worth $17k per month? For me, absolutely not. But people spend more on luxurious cars and such, so if you&#x27;ve got money to spare...<p>&gt; Y Combinator is also using an agent that is “rebuilding the way we operate at YC. We now have an internal AI agent, for instance, named Stray Light that kind of has a personality, and then it has a company brain. It actually has the total context of every founder we’ve ever backed, anyone who’s ever emailed us, like all the applications.”<p>Holy anthropomorphization. But besides that, what&#x27;s the goal of doing this? Keeping a handy overview of <i>when</i> and <i>why</i> someone said something?
    • switchers1 hour ago
      Naming your internal AI agent after the massive run down home of an uber rich but probably insane family of confusing clones who made god level AIs (from Neuromancer)... Classy.
      • dreadsword40 minutes ago
        That was my thought --- an odd and offputting choice of identity
    • randysalami1 hour ago
      “ Holy anthropomorphization. But besides that, what&#x27;s the goal of doing this?”<p>Because they can. It’s as simple as that. To find meaning, to feel in control, to win. To dominate.
    • SpicyLemonZest59 minutes ago
      &gt; Holy anthropomorphization. But besides that, what&#x27;s the goal of doing this? Keeping a handy overview of when and why someone said something?<p>You&#x27;d be surprised how important such an overview can be in relationship-based businesses. People spend a lot of time trying to track down a vague memory they have of someone telling them something. CRM platforms are big for a reason, after all.
    • 271831 hour ago
      He must be the most annoying person to try to interact with. Clodslop for days.
  • A_D_E_P_T1 hour ago
    Come on. If you have a Claude Max 20x plan ($200&#x2F;month) you&#x27;re <i>massively</i> subsidized and your API cost is anywhere from $5000-14000 per month.<p>(Figures vary, see e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;christham_4-weeks-on-claude-20x-max-plan-over-15-billion-share-7486717635120988160-y0rY&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;christham_4-weeks-on-claude-2...</a> for $13,700&#x2F;mo.)<p>If you hit your limits on two Max 20x plans, you could very well be exceeding $300k&#x2F;yr in token use at current API rates.
    • pu_pe1 hour ago
      Is that how these figures are being calculated? Because if so, that&#x27;s laughable. I always interpret those to mean that they are literally paying $200k&#x2F;year to Anthropic, not ~$2k.
  • hartjer1 hour ago
    Kind of low isn&#x27;t it?
  • m3kw952 minutes ago
    I wonder how many of those agents get lost in a loop and just uses tokens, asking the same questions over and over and responding and asking
  • lbrito45 minutes ago
    &quot;Do my job, make no mistakes&quot;<p>That&#x27;s basically gstack
  • stego-tech56 minutes ago
    Headline aside, I agree with him wholeheartedly that the future of AI is personal agents, and that costs have to come down for that to happen.<p>Not cloud costs, though; consumer costs. These agents <i>must</i> run on-device for privacy protections, because anything less will be a global non-starter. That means we need models that excel on phones, tablets, laptops, and desktops; we need home compute modules to run larger, “frontier”-class models for bigger tasks but without guzzling electricity (the Mac Mini’s power envelope is an ideal target); we need smart harnesses that can foist off inference to bigger models elsewhere on your private network of devices as needed without the user prompting for specific thinking modes or model names. All of this has to happen automatically, privately, securely, without leaking data to advertisers or surveillance companies.<p>It’s hard work, but it’s definitely the future of AI. I would argue the business case is solved with being able to build bespoke stacks of kit and run models through neocloud providers with ZDR policies. It’s the consumer angle that’s hard to crack, because everyone wants a repeat of Web 2.0 for ad-dollars instead of a privacy-centric modern tech stack that forces companies into lower revenue streams.
    • Dr_Birdbrain46 minutes ago
      I don’t think the privacy-centric vision is going to happen. Very few non-tech people care enough about their privacy to figure out the necessary infrastructure.<p>The future of personal assistants is most likely akin to Muse Spark, and yes I expect Meta is training on all of those interactions and using them to target ads.
    • argee44 minutes ago
      &gt; because anything less will be a global non-starter.<p>I beg to differ.<p><pre><code> &quot;People just submitted it. I don&#x27;t know why. They &#x27;trust me.&#x27; Dumb fucks.&quot; - Mark Zuckerberg</code></pre>
  • wahnfrieden1 hour ago
    I spend that much at API rates with a couple subscriptions
  • digitaltrees1 hour ago
    Why not buy hardware at that point?
  • ex1fm3ta1 hour ago
    hmm isn&#x27;t that the job of a concierge, or an assistant ?
    • xhkkffbf1 hour ago
      Didn&#x27;t you mean to use past tense? &quot;Wasn&#x27;t that the job ....&quot;
      • ShadowOfThePit1 hour ago
        Touché.<p>Counter-point, they can&#x27;t serve as a knowledgeable discussion partner, programmer, search engine, or your personal psychologist. Not saying that they should.
  • slopinthebag50 minutes ago
    he just needs to put the finishing touches on g-stack and then programming will be solved. just another $50k will do it i think!
  • lambdadelirium1 hour ago
    Website looks still like shit
    • ShadowOfThePit1 hour ago
      I think it looks neat and simple.<p>Also...<p>&gt; Please don&#x27;t complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They&#x27;re too common to be interesting.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>