It's a shame what happened to Postman. It started as an excellent little developer tool for testing APIs. Then for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees, for what should have been a tiny OSS/passion project like curl or little snitch. Instead they now have to justify their valuation by forcing logins, collecting data, monthly subscriptions, AI features, etc.<p>I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
> for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees<p>You know the reason. A bunch of people were able to take home a lot of money because of that growth and now have the option to FIRE themselves whenever they want to shake off the stress.<p>That's the founder mentality that Y Combinator exists to leverage or encourage and it's ubiquity is what separates the prevailing 21st century technology movement from the nerdy, academic, UNIX-y movement that gave us GNU, linux, curl, ffmpeg, redis, etc<p>We got to watch innovative products get pumped full of helium until they explode with bloat and rent-seeking instead of accumulating a growing foundation of sturdy technical building blocks as we could have had on the other path.<p>AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.<p>We'll see how it goes.
I miss the UNIX-y movement so much :(
Yeah. The plucky rebels pretty much won against the evil empire, but the forces of darkness weren't completely beaten. They regrouped and then repurposed the rebels tools against them. The might of venture capital, big tech, SaaS, hyperscalers and AI was too much. The rebels weren't decisively beaten so much as eventually eroded out of any real significance.
Like, what? Solaris/SunOS, DEC Ultrix/Tru64, AIX, HP-UX, Xenix, etc., all with big bad monopolist AT&T's UNIX as their grandpappy. UNIX was corporate to the hilt.
Corporate, sure, but painting DEC, (old) HP, and Sun with the same brush as AT&T, IBM, and Microsoft just because they sold proprietary, but generally well-documented and reliable hardware and software at whatever prices the market would bear seems unfair.
It's not dead??
Very well written reply that voices something I knew but couldn’t quite articulate.
You are good at writing. Thanks for this.
Agree... I scrolled back up from the last of the comments just to say this.
Yes, this dude is really good at writing.
I'm already enjoying the second version. I just hope we get to keep it.
Well put, hopefully it's the latter version.
Articulate and well spoken - I hope that through threads like these that especially tech newcomers discover that there are alternatives to the YC founder mentality of "growth at all costs". A more gradual approach that respects users is also better for founders. You may not retire at 35 with some big exit or raise, but why is that the goal anyway? Build something that respects your users and you can see yourself working on for 30 years, living comfortably and in moderation.<p>A minor tweak to The Parable of the Mexican Fisherman[1]:<p>The venture capitalist laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time was right, you would announce an IPO, and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich. You would make millions!”<p>“Millions – then what?”<p>[1] <a href="https://aliabdaal.com/newsletter/the-parable-of-the-mexican-fisherman/" rel="nofollow">https://aliabdaal.com/newsletter/the-parable-of-the-mexican-...</a>
>". A more gradual approach that respects users is also better for founders. You may not retire at 35 with some big exit or raise, but why is that the goal anyway?<p>Well, living on the other side of the pond: I get shuffled around and laid off every few years in the game industry and any savings I had got obliterated surviving in this not-recession as everyone around me gaslights me into telling me that "the economy is fine", while doing regular layoffs in nearly all sectors. And it's not like I have some sort of high respect for my craft by those who enjoy it either.<p>There's definitely a temptation to just sell out, find a huge buyout, and get out of the rat race so I can tinker to my heart's content on stuff I want to make. Not what "sells" or what some director wanted after 20 filters of HR, "focus groups, and other sales people get their hands on it. What integrity am I truly keeping in the former situation?<p>Of course, all this assumes I have the opportunity to sell out. Someone at that point is more than likely someone who was already in a trajectory to defy the typical 9-5 40 hour grind to begin with.
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Enshittification and private equity are synonymous. Strange that people are still surprised by this.
Perpetual growth at all costs. No idea what's so bad about a mature stable product/company
It’s basically wondering why your sales aren’t going up when there are still customers to be found. Even if you saturate a market, new people are born every day, at a greater rate than they die, so one would assume you grow or fade, unless customers just like… stop buying things in a category for some reason (maybe a superior category was invented?)<p>The problem isn’t infinite growth in a still-growing world, it’s exactly what you posted here: Growth at <i>all</i> costs. The pendulum has swung too hard in favor of growth over stability. This is great for shareholders (read:everyone in America who wants to realistically retire one day) but bad for workers (read: everyone in America, regardless of whether or not they want to retire one day).
Late-stage capitalism is addicted to ever-increasing quantities of money.<p>It'd be nice to imagine our society surviving our ruling classes' addiction, but I would not bet on that.<p>(You might read some essays by recovered addicts to get a sense of the monomania of it, and why they wouldn't about things like "mature" and "stable".)
Enshittification and capitalism are synonymous. There's no other magical form of equity that's any better. Steam's an oft cited counterexample but Steam is in enshittification stage 2 (once you have the users, be good to vendors to develop total platform lock-in).
I don't think Postman has any PE connections.
> AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.<p>Yeah and the issues from these vibecoded one-off programs will be felt for generations.<p>I got out of IT partially because I could see the writing on the wall. The "load bearing Excel sheet" is one thing, manageable if you could catch the person who wrote it in time before they depart or die and know your way around Excel - there's only so many ways to achieve a desired goal (unless the author used VBA, at which point all bets are off, and I member encountering a spreadsheet that macro-called in a DLL shipped together with the sheet).<p>But vibe coded AI bullshit? That is supposed to be hosted by someone and kept secure (i.e. isn't hackable in a few seconds by anyone who manages to compromise some dingus's laptop? Oh hell no. I'm outta there, I'm too old for this crap.
>and I member encountering a spreadsheet that macro-called in a DLL shipped together with the sheet<p>That sounds absolutely horrifying. I never encountered one of those before thankfully.
sadly this is coming to your linux-distro in no time! Far too many single-dev core building block which are now adding features at breakneck speed conversing with AI only.
> But vibe coded AI bullshit? That is supposed to be hosted by someone and kept secure<p>It's also astonishingly stupid. I don't want a one-off program for everything. I want a well-designed and battle-tested program that I can <i>extend</i> with AI, and that has a ton of people's AIs directed at it, constantly finding bugs, posting them on the bugtracker, and writing and debating pull requests.<p>I can't comprehend people who think that everything should be built over and over again, and that that will be safe, practical or cheap. It's like they're telling me that I should design a new language for each conversation that I have. <i>Why would I?</i><p>The worst part is how far the capabilities of AI are from that dream anyway. They can't even write readable, intelligible code. They're being celebrated for being able to notice buffer overrun errors in code that people would also notice if anybody had ever really looked at some particular span of code in the last 10 years. It's finding errors in move fast and break things code and code that has been maintained by a weirdo professor in his spare time for free and half the economy somehow relies on. That's not magic, its a sign of how sloppy things got.
Because IT/programmers/tech folks in general have abdicated their responsibilities for too long, imo. The industry collectively started huffing their own farts and forgot they operate in a support role for most organizations.<p>The state of IT has been stagnant at best for the past 20-30 odd years. The promises of the 90's or earlier that we were going to have average office workers being able to automate their workflows never was realized.<p>Today with AI I'm watching random sales people automate a large portion of the bullshit part of their jobs IT and technology systems foisted upon them for no real reason. Those CRM systems that force you to click 28 buttons per lead you enter into the system, with all sorts of amazing UIx like having to restart from scratch if you miss a field, get logged out during data entry, etc. This is the standard state of most software people interact with on a daily basis.<p>If current IT didn't <i>absolutely suck</i> for most people, and hadn't become a means to it's own ends I think you'd see a lot less pent up demand for these vibe coded one-off applications that solve a specific problem for a single user.<p>It's been interesting to watch. Normies can finally get stuff done without the IT and developer gatekeeping and get on with doing the meaningful bits of their jobs. For better or worse. It's certainly going to blow up in quite a few cases, but I think the cat is out of the bag if progress in tooling - not even models - continues at a rapid pace.
This sounds exactly like the promises of putting a PC on everyone's desktop rather than a terminal connected to a locked-down mainframe, which in the end led to the lockdown migrating to PCs and the few employees who had any interest in automation forced to use tools like Excel because it was at least an improvement over VBScript and batch files and IT wouldn't let them install legit development tools unless their job description required them.<p>What are the odds that the average corporate IT department is going to allow the use of anything other than locked-down corporate AI with strict token quotas and stricter acceptable use policies?
Because even with AI I don’t have infinite capacity to make every piece of software well designed and I have other deadlines.<p>><i>They can't even write readable, intelligible code.</i><p>Skill issue.
> They can't even write readable, intelligible code.<p>That really is no longer an up to date view of LLM's. Frontier models can and do write readable, intelligible code.<p>They can also write shit code.<p>Kind of like human devs.
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True or not - this vibe of "deal with it, it's how things are" feels really crummy to me.<p>There's legitimate concerns and emotions here. No reason to be a dick when discussing it.
Poor judgement call
> Deal with it.<p>Whenever I spot this shitty cop out here, it is always on a bad take. Never fails.
Yeah, I was going to vouch the comment because while I think it's a bad take, it doesn't really break the rules to have bad takes. Then I got to the arrogant "deal with it", and I think that does cross the line.
trying to make money off an invention is perfectly reasonable.
Indeed, a couple of GUI forms on top of curl is right up there with electricity, antibiotics and sliced bread.
Silently installing hooks into your other tools, to route their traffic through Postman without your knowledge or consent, is not at all reasonable.
How you try to make money off an invention may be perfectly reasonable, or it may be perfectly unreasonable. The "how" matters here.
People hating you for the damage you cause while making money is also perfectly reasonable.
It’s definitely the best version. I’m seeing so many amazing open source projects since people who once had the vision, but not the coding chops, can now build what they imagine. I myself am building a personal OS that connects to everything and it’s way more fun to build things and use them yourself vs just paying for some other software. Especially when that software can be enshittified or start to squeeze its users like you mentioned.
I'm also seeing people who previously had little interest in coding or understanding systems suddenly become empowered to pump out and deploy unmaintainable trash faster than their peers can resolve the problems they generate.
Can you share any of these many open source projects? I am curious about them.
Sure<p>fx0<p><a href="https://github.com/vercel-labs/fx0" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/vercel-labs/fx0</a><p>It’s by Vercel Labs, but it’s a small team and it’s basically a small website builder and even comes with 5 free prompts. I’m building on it to build a universal storefront<p>Moss Keeper<p><a href="https://github.com/ChetasLua/moss-keeper" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/ChetasLua/moss-keeper</a><p>Someone who got early access to Fable 5.5 asked it to make an anime style video using html and it’s amazing. I might make a short film doing this one day.<p>Money Shot<p><a href="https://github.com/SocialAcolyte/monet-shot" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/SocialAcolyte/monet-shot</a><p>A sort of screen studio alternative with a twist<p>MailCheap<p><a href="https://github.com/marclou/mailcheap" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/marclou/mailcheap</a><p>Opensource alternative to BeeHiv<p>These are my latest stats on Github: <a href="https://github.com/junaid33?tab=stars" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/junaid33?tab=stars</a>
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore<p>B2B maybe? Usually these businesses thrive solely on flirting with the CTO and getting them to sign a lucrative contract and then mandate internal usage. I'm speaking from experience.
I worked at a company where postman was (incorrectly) set up, used by everyone in the company, including non-devs and the ops team to make API requests instead of letting us develop tooling... Everyone hated it, but the company kept paying for it.<p>Hell, our CI test suite ran Postman, but because that was badly set up if a test suite failed, it required manually editing some state, otherwise the Postman state got fucked and everything would fail.<p>Did we still continue paying for it, you might wonder? Yes, of course we did.
Probably. They’ve been sending a lot of emails with creepy hyper-personalized AI-generated marketing material, trying to get us on an Enterprise contract. Things like slideshows that have the names and profile pictures of my colleagues who use Postman. Very weird.
corruption at finest. There is no reason to use postman when hoppscotch or bruno is available.
Oh THAT'S what they're trying. Doesn't work on me %)
I cannot imagine 1500+ employees "working" on this. Wtf, it's a single person project.
1 developer, 10 managers, 20 C-suite, 1468 sales, 1 barista<p>All adds up pretty well
And no one to deliver the mail?
Still sounds much better than Oracle's employee composition!
Well with a proverbial lawnmower at the top of the org chart, how many sets of weed-whackers, pruning shears, leafblowers, and RoundUp dispensers are below it?!
Don’t forget the community manager, people lead and chaplain.
they are going to annouce layoffs laying of that 1 developer
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It's both hilarious and telling that his jest was close enough to reality to provoke you into taking it so seriously.
I love how "1468 sales" was the outrageous part, not "1 developer, 10 managers, 20 C-suite" which came before it.
It's pretty clear they were making a joke.
That just added up to 1500, so maybe the "+" is another manager. No need to be so hasty.
To be fair Postman is a lot more than just a fancy curl client. It's a whole saas platform now.
> It's a whole saas platform now.<p>I think the argument may be that it doesn't justify this - that the main benefit of the SaaS platform has been to provide 1500+ people with something to do - and that perhaps the SaaS platform doesn't really add enough value to justify its existence or the company's valuation.<p>I don't really have a point of view on this since I've only used the browser extension (though I don't have it installed at present, thankfully) so the SaaS part of the business might be amazingly useful or it might not: I'm just laying out what I infer the argument in this sub-thread to be.
To be fair, is there a good reason that it should be?
can it send email yet?
As someone who hasn't used it since like 8 years ago that reads like satire
Wait till you hear Docusign has 7k employees...
I logged in to postman today after 3 years to use some public API, and god, it was so damn unusable. It took me navigating through "workspace", "environments", etc etc before I could hit the simplest of http endpoints.
Exactly. Back in 2015 when I was still coding professionally Postman was our go-to tool for API testing.<p>Earlier this year I reached for Postman when kicking off a side project. I was appalled by how convoluted it has become. It really is a Frankenstein product. And they can’t seem to figure out what their offer really is.<p>No thanks. RIP to the OG Postman. The new Postman is dead to me.
I switched to Bruno when payment started requiring login, love having the ability to just check it into git.
What could postman be doing with 1500+ employees!? mind blown.
Someone should vibe-code a VC death clock for developer tools. Enter a company, and it will deduce from its last funding round and headcount the moment it all goes to shit.<p>In an utlimate twist of irony such a tool could itself pivot to investors because the moment it gets really bad is also the moment to invest in the competition.<p>I'm not saying that's my strategy with Bugsink, but I'm not saying it isn't either.
> Instead they now have to justify their valuation by forcing logins, collecting data, monthly subscriptions, AI features, etc.<p>All those people who gave them millions in funding are expecting to make a return on that investment and that means prioritizing turning it into something that will make money by selling out users. The valuation is just a guess at how successful it will be at screwing users over. Greed ruins everything.
I used to use Postman daily almost ten years ago. Then as my last hurrah before retirement, I took an embedded job that didn't involve me beating on a web API, so I didn't use Postman anymore.<p>So imagine that I hear about this "Postman" product that involves subscriptions, and AI, and "valued at $X billion" and all this crap, and you can see how I seriously thought that there was another product called "Postman" that wasn't the product I used to use. Turns out...
Yeah, Insomnia replaced Postman everywhere I've been.
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+<p>Because, current valuations are completely detached from any operational or market realities that affect a company. The metric has become the goal, and the metric is controlled by nontechnical people that have no intuitive understanding of how technical products are used. Even worse, they’ve all gone though a vibe coding tutorial and now either believe they have real technical depth, or believe that it doesn’t matter.
You don’t know any developer yes.<p>I do know business analysts, testers, non-technical people asking me for postman collections.<p>Postman became de-facto standard for businesses. Even though devs have ditched it.
I haven’t met anyone using MongoDB in what feels like 12 years, but it’s a $26B company.<p>There’s apparently a surprisingly profitable enterprise afterlife to developer tools that manage to become popular in the right moment, even if the moment is fairly short.
Databases are extremely sticky because migrating can be a nightmare. Postman seems like it would be much less sticky, you can just import your Postman collection to Bruno and it's pretty much a drop-in replacement.
I feel called, mongodb user here ( • ▽ • ; )
wrote about this phenomenon: <a href="https://nonograph.com/write-some-software-give-it-away-for-free-05-05-2026" rel="nofollow">https://nonograph.com/write-some-software-give-it-away-for-f...</a>
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+<p>Like statistics, 90% of valuations are totally made-up.
I’ve never understood the allure of postman. Curl has been my thing for a while. I don’t see that changing.
If history has taught us anything, it's that there's at least a limited-time market for inferior GUI alternatives to nearly anything you can easily do from a command-line. Though to be fair, there's plenty of room for value-add over curl for web requests in terms of presentation where GUIs can work well: asset viewers, syntax highlighting, pretty printing, code folding, etc., especially if combined with interactive tools for decoding and deobfuscation that feed back into the viewer.<p>The obvious AI integration is reverse engineering tools, assuming the trend towards locking such things down doesn't continue.<p>And honestly, I worry less about people paying $29 for a GUI file renaming tool than I do about the same people copy/pasting LLM-generated shell snippets, given that LLMs will inevitably have trained on the existing corpus of shell scripts, many if not most of which contain potentially dangerous bugs, especially when used outside their intended context of known-trustworthy input.
They chased B2B revenue too hard, my work built internal alt in a few days that fits more appropriately with our orgs usecases earlier this year, Sad lol
Yeah, they managed to land on the IT blacklist for several of our customers.<p>Nowadays Portman is forbidden for project delivery, unless the customer development team also uses it.
I always felt like Postman was just a waste of time next to simple bash helper scripts wrapping curl commands.
A surprising number of developers I work with don't actually know how to use curl. Postman is ubiquitous among that crowd.
That's just GUIs being easier to use than CLIs for most people. After all, that's why Postman got popular - it's a GUI to do curl without the CLI! Or Handbrake to avoid using ffmpeg. Or various "paint" applications to rotate images instead of using imagemagik.<p>The problem is that Postman decided to want to be a business and took VC money.
I know lot of bits with curl. But I find it always a pain to use. Fine for when you do scripting but I find command line pretty painful overall. So I understand want to use some other tool with better ergonomics.
10 years ago I totally get that but these days there's plugins built into every IDE that can smooth over the annoyances of testing an API via curl without having to invoke paying for Postman and dealing with all of its nonsense.<p>Of course now that I said that today I'd probably just have Claude hit the API for me, or build a dashboard to test it, I really don't know how Postman continues to exist.
><i>It's a shame what happened to Postman. It started as an excellent little developer tool for testing APIs. Then for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees, for what should have been a tiny OSS/passion project like curl or little snitch. Instead they now have to justify their valuation by forcing logins, collecting data, monthly subscriptions, AI features, etc.</i><p>The good thing is that now takes about 2 days to replicate with an agent the parts that matter from their whole offering and tell them to go f themselves.
> <i>Then for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees</i><p>Wtf!! <i>how</i>
For some reason, it is very popular in my country (Costa Rica). Every freelancer I’ve worked with only knows about postman
It’s like it was very popular back in the day and people never got the memo there’s better options out there
We're using Postman at work (I think we have a subscription for 10 or 20 users), mostly when doing REST development and to share the API calls between people. Though I rarely have to use it so each time I'm so confused of between the collections, environment, vaults, variables...<p>Also if you have an alternative that's easier to use, I'm interested
> I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore<p>Its endemic in enterprise engineering/QA, for all the reasons we mourn its loss its big, and big is trusted in these circles
> I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore<p>I have no need for it, but there's one company I work with and all of their developers still use it. What do you do/recommend instead?
Claude.
Not the person you asked, but Bruno <<a href="https://www.usebruno.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.usebruno.com/</a>> is a good alternative (so far).
<a href="https://insomnia.rest/features/api-debugging" rel="nofollow">https://insomnia.rest/features/api-debugging</a><p>or any of these<p><a href="https://apisyouwonthate.com/blog/http-clients-alternatives-to-postman/" rel="nofollow">https://apisyouwonthate.com/blog/http-clients-alternatives-t...</a>
Insomnia has enshittified over the past few years too, its original author started <a href="https://yaak.app/" rel="nofollow">https://yaak.app/</a> and it's pretty alright for most of my Postman-relevant use. Not as heavy on automation or API-documentation, but for testing endpoints it's been great.
Hey thanks for sharing the APIs You Won't Hate Link! I'm one of the cofounders of the community. I've had a good time with Bruno, personally. Being git-enabled is a big plus.<p>If you've got other suggestions, I'd love to give them a look!
<a href="https://hurl.dev/" rel="nofollow">https://hurl.dev/</a>
I used to use it but then we added Swagger UI to our APIs so now there's no need.
There are loads of alternatives now, I use yaak, but you could just ask an agent to create one for you in 20 minutes
I use Yaak
Doesn't help that the core product is one of the easiest vibe-code prompts ever.
They were valued at $5.6bn in 2021, in the ZIRP boom, and havent raised since. Unlikely they can raise at anything like that now.
>>>I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore.<p>Just out of curiosity, what <i>are</i> developers using these days?
I personally use Bruno: <a href="https://www.usebruno.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.usebruno.com</a>
There are a couple of open source alternatives (though at least some of those have tried to go the way of Postman to some extent), just using curl directly, or we've rolled our own wrappers (personally, or team- or company-wide) for our specific use cases.
At work we use JetBrain's HTTP client: <a href="https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/http-client-in-product-code-editor.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/http-client-in-product-c...</a><p>My IDE has always been for a lot more than coding, so even though most of the coding is now done in a terminal by an AI agent, I still spend many hours everyday in my IDE.
rest-client[1] or httpyac[2].<p>1: <a href="https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=humao.rest-client" rel="nofollow">https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=humao.re...</a><p>2: <a href="https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=anweber.vscode-httpyac" rel="nofollow">https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=anweber....</a>
Claude, here are the api specs, see if they are up to date, build a client, make no mistakes. Unironically.
<a href="https://yaak.app/" rel="nofollow">https://yaak.app/</a> prev: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185836">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185836</a>
It seems like cursed(blessed) niche? In search of alternatives couple of years ago, I'm stumbled upon Mockoon which looked really like a single person project. Now, judging by their webpage, I see they are going the same way
You're stating this on your combinator forums of all places. Do you know who owns and runs that company and their economic principles?
Postman valued at 5 billon? WTF? I mean the IT industry lives in a fart cloud honestly. I really really think everything is just a little bit overvalued, isn't it?<p>People should be using curl + bash. It's a universal combination available almost everywhere.
I know right? I would think even $5M would be excessive. It’s interesting that with AI now anyone can throw something together like that within a few days. Investors are probably squeezing them pretty hard to get their returns back before anyone and their uncle can create their own postman.
> People should be using curl + bash. It's a universal combination available almost everywhere.<p>They should but Bash escaping/encoding is <i>nasty</i> and most terminals have a hard time using the mouse to reliably edit a cURL command, especially if the last command didn't do a final "\n" output. And it gets oh so tiring when the "copy cURL" command includes about 1000 bytes worth of Cookie headers full of analytics garbage.<p>That's why Postman became a thing in the first place.
<i>> and most terminals have a hard time using the mouse to reliably edit a cURL command</i><p>This is true. Even though I'm not much of a mouse user for it, I tend to edit curl commands of much length in a text editor when I'm doing things by hand, then pasting into the terminal.<p><i>> especially if the last command didn't do a final "\n" output</i><p>Or if your prompt outputs something to stderr instead of stdout so it doesn't get counted when the shell is trying to position where you are in editing the stream. Ubuntu's default prompt under byobu is a pain for this when I move to a different machine and forget to carry my tweaks for that.<p>For the missing final \n I just hit [enter] an extra time, but getting round the stderr thing isn't quite that simple.
Yes, that's true. You can suffer a lot escaping things out, but is also a valuable lesson! Not promoting those extreme cases, but many many times a few simple curl calls can save your day.
curl and jq is all I've ever needed for working with http APIs and JSON responses.
Personally, I replaced Postman years ago with IntelliJ's HTTP client. It is pretty good.
Sales called me a couple weeks ago. I told them Postman had a bad reputation among developers and I wouldn’t be using it. The salesperson was just absolutely incredulous that anyone could feel this way. It was pretty funny. Maybe they’re drinking their own Kool Aid.
1500+ ppl? :-O
I feel the same way about docker. This things just running containers and yet its a billion dollar company.
When was the last time you heard about a VC-backed company going out of business? They either go unicorn or they get frozen until another VC-funded company is large enough to absorb them and quietly absorb their lack of value. Postman is a big morsel but I guarantee some company is being lined up just perfectly to consume them.
Yeah. Curl the little side project:<p><a href="https://xkcd.com/2347/" rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/2347/</a>
Yes a prime example of enshittification. You attract attention making something humble in scope but good.. but then it is compelled to become something much more. Same story with Coursera imo
Everything will be enshittified, it’s not a question of if but when. The incentives are simple, the stock ticker must go up.
<i>> a tiny OSS/passion project like curl</i><p>Um.
I was looking to see if someone had posted a reaction to this part, because if no one had, I was going to! I don't disagree with the parent comment at all, but if curl is an example of a tiny project, I'm not sure what could possibly be considered large. It's literally the first example I'd give if asked for an example of an open source utility getting deployed on like, everything in the world.
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore<p>I think most people here on HN is within or close by the "Innovators" part of the "Technology adoption life cycle" (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle</a>). When Postman hit mainstream, it was already bloated and ruined, and "Innovators" had already moved on to something else, but for Postman that's just the beginning, as they're in the "Early Majority" part, and still have a tail to ride, so investors and everyone else can extract all the value from the remaining s̶u̶c̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ users.
This is why the right to fork exists in open source licenses. It’s easier than ever now, too, thanks to LLMs. You might even be able to oneshot forking and removing the malware and rebranding and rebuilding f/oss crapware these days.<p>I’ve been considering setting up a nonprofit solely to do this and to republish things like Mattermost, Stats, Bitwarden, etc with the corporate antifeatures ripped out.
Bruno. Open source base, runs locally, data remains on your infrastructure.<p><a href="https://www.usebruno.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.usebruno.com/</a>
Bruno is not so dissimilar, unfortunately. See this long thread[1] about their "journey".<p>[1]: <a href="https://github.com/usebruno/bruno/discussions/269" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/usebruno/bruno/discussions/269</a>
Yep, this is what I moved to.
Postman has always been proprietary software, hasn't it?
> Then for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees<p>... what the fuck. Certainly explains things<p>> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore<p>Yep, one of them. I loved Postman but gone back to plain cURL and the dogshit that is IntelliJ's built-in HTTP request tool.<p>As for the question... easy. Markets can stay irrational for a very long time...
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EDIT: sorry, I was cranky. I just really don't like Postman/its UI/BS. To each his/her own.
Weird take. Just because you can use curl it doesn’t mean you can’t value a GUI to be able to store and manipulate requests quickly and view a formatted response body.<p>I use postman all the time to explore apis. Sure I could do it from the command line, but this is quicker and it saves my request payloads.<p>(Though now I’m obviously open to suggestions for better tools)
Get an older copy of fiddler.
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Weird take. I thought for myself about the problem and solved it rather than externalize such and end up locked into an increasingly abusive relationship.<p>Been using homegrown scripts designed around wget and curl, accessible as shell aliases so I save time never downloading Postman or developing muscle memory for it, yet can still explore APIs<p>There's an idea for a better tool; the one you patch right in to your workflow to avoid context switches to a GUI mental model; I just focus on computer generating data rather than color of the virtual captains chair
Not sure if you’re trolling but writing “homegrown scripts as shell aliases” is not faster than a gui. I totally agree Postman is enshittified, but when I just want to see a sample response for given input data, it does the job. Sure I’d like a more lightweight tool, but there’s no way I’m “context switching” to writing shell scripts when I just want to check a single endpoint. (I’d also wager than in many cases, opening a gui and hitting send on a pre-saved request is faster than using an llm too)<p>You can do what you like though, my original comment was against the gatekeeping and punching down. I don’t care one way or another what tool you use, but let’s not make people inferior because they aren’t using a TUI for everything.
Borrowed your own rhetorical style as the fastest means to relate to you, text on a screen.<p>OP is all "here's my way" and you're all "weird take" where weird felt wielded like a pejorative relative to OP not using GUI for everything.<p>Didn't realize it was possible to attack someone with their own rhetorical style. Figured they'd be used to themselves by now.
You can try www.APIKulture.com<p>It is basically that, also similar to Bruno but using 20 times less RAM.
Postman logs detailed information on every single API request you make through its tool, including query parameters. If you use the templating syntax `{{some_secret}}` to fill in a query parameter, it sends the actual secret content of `some_secret` to Postman's servers. If you disable outgoing network traffic to this logging endpoint, the entire app will stop working properly.<p>I discovered this when investigating whether Postman is HIPAA-compliant (it is not).
That sounds all sorts of illegal, and all sorts of immoral.<p>Did you flag it / create an issue?
Yes - I wrote some public posts, and a Medium article which I forgot about until just now: <a href="https://anonymousdata.medium.com/postman-is-logging-all-your-secrets-and-environment-variables-9c316e92d424" rel="nofollow">https://anonymousdata.medium.com/postman-is-logging-all-your...</a><p>My main point was that I wouldn't want my secrets to <i>ever</i> be sent to Postman under any circumstance (or alternately, stop calling them "secret"). A lot of the online responses were some variation of "why are you sending secrets in query parameters in the first place?" (I'm not). When I posted on Reddit, it escalated to targeted harassment by people who were obviously current/former employees at Postman.<p>I did send out an email blast to a bunch of CIOs/CSOs in my network which went a bit "email viral" through forwarding, and this ended up triggering a substantial amount of enterprise cancellations.
github.com/alainnothere/mailBoy<p>news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50359814
Who still uses Postman? In my experience it became insanely slow and bloated. Switched to Bruno. IMO, Postman is like uTorrent, everybody heard about it and many install because of inertia.
Mostly enterprise teams and intermediate devs from my experience. I lead the API platform for a popular e-signature company, and a postman collection is the first thing devs ask for. Even when we point them to our docs, they'd rather just import a collection and start hitting endpoints immediately.<p>Haven't heard of Bruno until now. Looks like a solid offline-first tool. I don't see a public collection or web runner, and it looks like it supports GitHub-based sharing. Postman on the other hand, their public API network (or whatever they call it) along with the web runner reduce a lot of friction for API vendors like us and for dev teams who just want to quickly play with the API in the browser, especially during their evaluation stage.
Switched from Bruno to Voiden, it's more of a postman + notebook. Bruno started adding premium and stuff and I didn't want to wait to migrate again...
It was really good until... idk 3 or so years back? Whenever they started forcing you to login to use it.
Bruno is no better in the way that matters - curl/requests/httpclient etc. are now easier to write and understand than any external templating tool.
bruno is really great used it for a while but the 5 API syncs a month on the free tier is a pain, had to switch to Apidog never been so happy with unlimited syncs
Use to work at one org in a bloated financial company that was paying Postman nearly $40,000 a month for a license provided to every person in the org. Regardless if they were a dev or not. I suspect the sales pitch pushes for unnecessary licenses because out of around 500 employees in the org, only 80 were developers and out of those 80 only one single team used postman. So this one org was overpaying by nearly >95%, doubt this org is truly unique regarding this.<p>I suspect that nearly every single public corporation are likely overpaying for software products, it's a waste of capital and extremely inefficient. All it shows is that corporations are too loose with their money and can probably deserve to get their tax obligations increased by a good 20-40% if they're this okay with wasting it.
I use hopscotch and highly recommend it. Very similar UI to postman and it just works.
I'm not really a vibe-coder but it seems like the easiest possible tool to vibe-code<p>Or just give your agent JSON and tell it to use curl
It's one of those things that have become "enterprise." There's always been better competitors out there, but it was so big, it's the easy choice for companies that are too lazy to do proper/fast vetting.
Working in healthcare, and Postman got decertified by our Cyber team for this. We all switched to Bruno overnight. Their sales team is pinging us like gangbusters though.
A lot of GxP environments had already ditched Postman because it auto-syncs your API schemas to their cloud, as well as values and secrets.
Bruno is fantastic. Switched a while ago and haven't even thought about going back
Bruno is VC backed [0] and will (eventually) do the exact same thing for the sake of growth.<p>This is even after they said they would <i>never</i> raise money, but again the users were not going to pay for Bruno nor donate even.<p>[0] <a href="https://blog.usebruno.com/the-funding-announcement-we-never-made" rel="nofollow">https://blog.usebruno.com/the-funding-announcement-we-never-...</a>
Aw, fuck.
I will just keep using curl
FWIW Bruno can be forked unlike Postman. Not to mention, it would be trivial to vibe code something like this now. Postman absolutely deserves its downfall for trying to nickel and dime customers.
We went to bruno years ago and has been good. Nice to be able to store the request definitions in git. But to be honest, don't really need any of these tools anymore.
+1 for Bruno, it's simple and great.<p>They offer a paid version though, so I'm always afraid it's going to enshittify in the future, just like Postman and then Insomnia did.
I have been building Kreya [1] for over 6 years now as a Postman alternative. It's offline-first and privacy focused with a storage format made for git.<p>In all our years, Kreya "just worked" for our users without any drama or unwanted changes, unlike most of our competitors...<p>[1] <a href="https://kreya.app" rel="nofollow">https://kreya.app</a>
Postman went from a great lightweight tool to a bloated up-selling mess.
If you're a backend dev writing an API you should be writing automated tests. Clicking around in a GUI app is not the correct way to do things.<p>If you're exploring someone else's API there are lots of other clients you can use. Resonance seems pretty solid to me. Don't get what's the point of all the extra faff in Postman.<p>If you want to get real basic there's always ol' reliable curl.
I've been using Yaak [1] for a while. It is a breath of fresh air.<p>[1] <a href="https://yaak.app/" rel="nofollow">https://yaak.app/</a>
+1 for Yaak, I've used it for over a year for work and personal projects. It is stable and fast (also the dev behind it has the first name as me, so I'm a bit biased towards other Gregs!).
One nice thing about it is only the builds are licensed. If you build from source it is MIT.
If anyone is interested in a Postman alternative but likes TUIs and leans more toward using .http files, check out resterm[0].<p>btw - I'm the author.<p>[0]<a href="https://github.com/unkn0wn-root/resterm" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/unkn0wn-root/resterm</a>
I don't understand how postman became the tool that it is today. The best version of it was just a logger and a formatter on top of an http client. The proto import was nice for gRPC. Who thought that relatively simple tool needed accounts and MCPs and whatever else they've thrown into it?
Postman was my curl with a gui. Used it everywhere, recommended it everywhere. But one day out of the blue it asks me to login, and it all went downhill from there. Imagine you had to login to use curl?<p>Anyway, I'm sure somewhere in some terms and conditions I agreed to, it says "we own the glass".
I never enjoyed using postman even a decade ago. Always felt bloated and confusing ui for something that seems like it could be a command line tool
I use RESTer, a Firefox extension, to test APIs:
<a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rester/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rester/</a><p>It's an in-browser equivalent of Postman.<p>I much prefer the approach of being able to use the browser for things like this. It feels much more lightweight than installing a piece of desktop software.
Wow this is bad<p>Circumvention of the trust model of the agent harnesses (the hash), prompt injection and silently registering an outbound remote MCP endpoint
Lots of discussion about less terrible alternatives to postman. For those already using a Jetbrains IDE there's a builtin rest client that works well. I haven't used it for anything too complicated, but for routine stuff where you need to hit an endpoint and fiddle with the payload and headers it's great.
> [for every] Jetbrains IDE there's a builtin rest client that works well<p>There's also one available as a major mode for Emacs: <a href="https://melpa.org/#/restclient" rel="nofollow">https://melpa.org/#/restclient</a><p>If the command line is acceptable but you want more of a focus on usability than curl has, there's httpie (<a href="https://httpie.io/" rel="nofollow">https://httpie.io/</a>) and its clone xh (<a href="https://github.com/ducaale/xh" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/ducaale/xh</a>).
The JetBrains IDE, Visual Studio, and VS Code all support http files as well, which can be checked into an application.
Yes, this is very bad. I've alerted my team and we'll be deprecating its use immediately. Hopefully procurement can get refunds on the licenses we purchased not that long ago. Something tells me Postman is going to regret violating people's trust - the moat isn't so large that people must endure unethical, if not illegal, behavior like this.
Why do all these tools require a paid account? Bruno specifically says it’s platform-free and stores everything in git.
I replaced that garbage with Insomnia years back. I’m just waiting until I hear that Insomnia is also a problem and where to go next.
Insomnia 8.0 and above requires an account on their servers to use. The stated reason was that this makes it easier to advertise to you. No thanks.<p>Older versions are fine, though.<p><a href="https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/discussions/6590" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/discussions/6590</a>
Insomnia _has_ a problem, since it forces you to create a cloud account with them.<p>Bruno [1] is the current better alternative to Insomnia.<p>[1] <a href="https://www.usebruno.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.usebruno.com/</a>
I've been using Insomnia whenever I can since before Covid. Its been nice, but ever since they started pushing accounts so aggressively, I've switched to Yaak to get back to that feel of a simple API client that prompted me to switch to Insomia in the first place. 100% recommend. <a href="https://yaak.app/" rel="nofollow">https://yaak.app/</a>
Why not do your own (yes) diligence instead of relying on hearsay? It doesn't take a lot of digging to see it in this case.
Just installed it, it's funny their landing page is littered with every AI buzzword too. But I am going to give Insomnia a try, I've heard people talk about it and a few others on HN over the years. I just need a glorified cURL GUI at the end of the day.
Yeah it got bought by Kong a while back, and they're definitely not a great company, but the application itself still seems pretty OK.<p>I really like that you can paste a curl in to setup a new request.<p>This is definitely the type of app that some AI agent could cobble together pretty quickly, so I don't know why Postman etc thinks they have enough of a moat to keep enshittifying their product.
I use Bruno. I forget what Insomnia did that irritated me, but Bruno is the closest I've found to a dumb client that doesn't pester me for an account.
When they started uploading things to the server and requiring you to have an account to access the things that they STOLE from your machine without authorization in first place, I uninstall it...<p>What can go wrong by uploading your things, if you had any passwords or users there that "pinky promise" will not be uploaded, then running AI and maybe oops have a leak and now someone is hitting your production servers?
Many, many years ago, I used Postman for the first time, way back when it was a Chrome plugin. As an iOS dev, it was amazing to be able to validate the requests I needed to make outside the context of my code to validate things worked. Until, one day, I wasn't seeing something iterate in the responses I was getting as I expected to. Many cmd+R presses later, I talked to the API team to check logs, and we found that Postman was caching what should have been independent requests. Easily blamed on Chrome at the time, but it was an undocumented and unexpected behavior by Postman, who really should have better handled making each request unique.<p>I didn't need another reason not to use Postman, but I'll take it. Shame on them for moving in shadows.
Switched to intellij http scratches ages ago. Then go curl. I remember a bunch of people using postman from a decade to a few years ago. It's been a while since I've seen anyone. Probably people who do it rarely but haven't taken the time to change tools.
Wow, the timing is perfect, I was going to post about this. I also found out last night that they actually proxy your requests without your permission. I have setup an exclusion within my firewall for certain request parameters, but it kept getting blocked despite all my settings a though it was going through their server. That really pissed me off since these requests actually contain sensitive data they did not have permission to intercept.<p>Postman also removed the ability to export individual requests and grouped them into "Share" which means now you have to get a subscription to get your data out, and most export options are gone completely, except for collections itself - which they ask you questions why before you can get your data out. Fuck Postman. I moved to Insomnia as of last night (open source).
I think if you're using Postman, you don't care about sharing your data with random other people/companies on the intarwebs.
It was never, ever clear to me why you needed to use Postman instead of Curl
I was on a team where work was often presented and demo'd to semi technical managers and stakeholders. For the backend guys, this was the best we had.<p>Nice to see the leaner alternatives people are suggesting here.
Been some years since I had to use it (and I think my company jettisoned it shortly thereafter), but at its peak, I remember it doing some things really well that were a PITA to setup locally in a terminal with cURL.<p>The biggest "Oh my god, this is so much easier" moment was just setting up a tiny JS script onto the login API to stash the bearer token from the return response into a variable, and then propagate it into the header of all subsequent calls. Trying to script THAT in Bash (parsing the bearer token from the return response) was also a headache and never worked 100% for me.<p>Although that was me trying to do it manually. I'm sure a vibe-coded solution would probably work well enough these days.
I think because editing in terminals text was not a good development experience, navigating the curdor, and pressing Enter would issue the command.<p>Personally I use a wrapper cli I built myself over curl which automatically gets api docs of my product and easily get the token so its great for agents
At least for me, the appeal was always minimal.<p>As a .NET developer I had been using LinqPad for years, and just kept a set of template scripts for the various rote web-call scripts I might need to do e.x. XML or JSON, Auth handling, etc.<p>(For the non .NET folks, LinqPad is a simple application that lets you write small script-esque bits of C#/F#/VB.NET and has a wonderful little `.Dump()` method that can pretty-print just about any object to it's output window, and even export that output window to Excel/HTML which is nice for some tasks.)
nah, a python script that wraps what needs wrapping has been my go-to since that day Postman said I had to log in
postman has been malware since the day they added accounts many years ago. luckily only low skill cli fearing developers mostly gravitated to it, esp anytime in the past decade
If there's ever been a perfect app to vibecode your own replacement, it's postman. Claude can knock out a completely usable competitor in under an hour, I'm sure of it. A day of tweaking and you'll have everything you need.
I loved Postman when I first started with it. I was so happy when I uninstalled it about 4 months ago.
Postman management is something else. I remember a few years ago, once they had that VC money, they made it so you had to log/pushed you to. funny, considering it's basically a GUI for curl and then they spent a ton of money on some party with famous singers or something.<p>A bit sad, but I guess that’s the new normal.
What do you think will happen next to every SaaS that was pumped and hasn't exited?<p>Good to wonder what will happen to every SaaS or every company that has many users it can't monetize any longer.
Postman was amazing 6-8 years ago. What a downfall it’s been.
Postman feels pointless when I have an agent plus curl.
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.".<p>I dropped them when they first started forcing you to have an account and from them only used it when work made it mandatory, in some cases we even dropped them for other alternatives (http with source in git, scripts..etc)
With AI agents at our disposal, can we not just have them code up something we need to use instead of using such sketchy apps like Postman?<p>It'd be a personal dev app where only features we need are implemented, including features only we (and no one else) need.
And I'm the weirdo who has always just used curl.
Would you be willing to pay for a local only postman alternative if it was built by hand and native (no electron)?
I really don't see the point of Postman. It used to be light and efficient, now it's bloated and inefficient
I haven’t used postman for years and I don’t know why anyone would. Are people really paying for it?
If there ever was a tool that could be vibe coded, a postman-like is the one.
Welp, time to vibecode an non cloud version :/
Man it really sucks because Postman's scripting, automation, and sharing features are nice.
Use impostman.el/verb.el/restclient.el in Emacs.
We left Postman long time ago and only use Bruno.
Postman really should have known better who their customers are.
There are few apps more amenable to one shotting with your ai sub than postman et al
This is their very bad attempt to survive , who need this in the age of agents ?
Never liked Postman since they started forcing everyone to signup. Sometimes I hate VCs who unnecessarily funds and ruins a perfectly fine product (of course founders are equally guilty).
The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be...
We are in the new era of provider malware. GREEEAAAAT! Thanks AI!
Curl Web Interface shouldn't require any payment at all
If even half of that is true then they’re cooked
I miss the native macOS app Paw
Why miss? It still exists, just renamed as RapidAPI → <a href="https://paw.cloud" rel="nofollow">https://paw.cloud</a><p>It is still fully native (real native, not fake web-driver native).
I'm a PAW fan but the emails I've gotten from them make it sound like it won't be around much longer.<p>"No new versions of PAW are currently planned for release.
No additional bug fixes, security updates, or feature enhancements are planned."
Nice to know!
Dead product
Postman went from a nice tool to an almost virus in just a few years. It's crazy that anyone still uses it.<p>I'm currently using Bruno (<a href="https://www.usebruno.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.usebruno.com/</a>)
They have an open format for API collections: <a href="https://www.opencollection.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.opencollection.com/</a>
I made the switch to Bruno years ago after getting hounded by Postman’s sales team and Insomnia started requiring an account.<p>Works well enough without getting in my way.
Does anyone know if Bruno is not on the same path as Postman?
Switched to Bruno myself, and moved my team to it last year as well. Vast improvement over late stage Postman.
At this point, with coding agents, it would be stupid to waste time with Postman. I already uninstalled it after using it for over a decade. Build your own simple tools for debugging, my friends. The old archaic era is over.
Thanks, I still use Postman out of muscle memory. Will use Bruno or Insomnia (as recommended here)
Unsurprising. I loved the tool but it was obviously time to drop it when they began pushing for logins.
At least it has never been easier to transition to another tool or to make your own.
I've always kind of thought that Postman was an enshittification story waiting to happen. I've always felt like they prey on people who just aren't comfortable with the command line, and so there isn't much more stooping lower for them than something like this.
Thank you for the reminder, I had not deleted Postman yet. Done :D
Part of Postman's ongoing enshittification...
Does everything have to go to shit when money is involved?
No. Postman sells nothing of value.<p>At this point I do not see why the entirety of their software could not be a one shot prompt for the price of deer nuts.
With that mindset, why do you even need a postman clone? Just have your $LLM test out the software using raw curl commands.
> price of deer nuts<p>Which, in case others didn't know, are under a buck.
Depends. Is it an investment grant or loan? The former is money to grow with no expectations on growth. The latter has an investor giving money in expectation of a return.<p>Most of the YC companies are loan backed with investors pushing milestones for the next investment chunk or round.
Pretty much. It's just a question of how fast it happens. The more capable something is of making money without compromising the product or exploiting users the longer it will take, but once people who are sick with pathological greed get involved they'll eventually start to demand enshittifying the product and selling out the userbase to squeeze more and more money into their pockets.
Well, somehow the society has gone for the better over the course of history, even with pathologically greedy and evil people constantly in positions of power, so that counts as something.<p>Edit: mankind has gone for the better
For the better in spite of the pathologically greedy and evil, but not because of them. A lot of blood has been shed keeping them in check throughout the ages and only recently have they been allowed to feed off of the masses without any real fear. They just hold us back by draining us, stamping out competitors who drive innovation, and funneling everything into their own pockets.
Until we stop relying on SV as the standard-bearer for tech culture? Absolutely.
This happened to me. Holy fuck I was pissed
Thank god we moved to Bruno and sometimes just http files in vs code or jetbrains
Enshittification wins again. :(
How are people still using Postman? You can vibecode Postman in like 30 minutes.<p>Do you even need it at all now? You can just ask the AI to write you a test suite in 5 minutes which calls all your endpoints with all the parameters and assertions you could possibly want. It's way more flexible than Postman and it's just a text file/script; you can share with any team member.
I'm glad to find out from this comment section that I'm not the only one who has noticed Postman is the poster-child of Enshittification.
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who the hell needs that. skills are just md files