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  • Animats1 hour ago
    If you follow the links, the first thing it tells you is &quot;Download the app&quot;.[1]<p>Vehicle Data Sharing appears to be opt-out, not opt-in. They do say &quot;If you’d like to ensure you’re not sharing data, check Vehicle Connectivity in your Settings menu in-vehicle and toggle it off.&quot; After doing that, someone should check to see if the wireless modem is still emitting.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ford.com&#x2F;data-and-privacy&#x2F;manage-your-settings&#x2F;connect&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ford.com&#x2F;data-and-privacy&#x2F;manage-your-settings&#x2F;c...</a>
  • lacoolj12 minutes ago
    You know who really needs to do this? BMW.<p>First thing it told me when I was setting up the customization area was something around ...if you enable BMW account sync, this car will transmit all audio, video and any other data recorded to BMW for its use blah blah...<p>Ugh
  • QDwQ11 hour ago
    Personally I would like a car that simply does not generate any &quot;data&quot; in the first place.
  • ChiMan25 minutes ago
    I don’t want a privacy policy. I want my data, and I don’t want them to have it.
    • ChiMan22 minutes ago
      Even more, I don’t want to be generating data when I drive. It’s a god*mn car. I want it to move me down the road and stop when I press the brakes. That’s it.
      • rootusrootus15 minutes ago
        So the right answer is to provide an option for you to do that. Which hopefully this policy is saying that they do. But if what they are asserting is correct (and I think it is plausibly so), the majority of customers want features that can only function with the data.
  • midtake1 hour ago
    All I can read from that title is double-speak about how it&#x27;s your responsibility to opt out, your problem if you don&#x27;t.
    • lazide10 minutes ago
      Even better, knowing someone with one of these trucks - every time it does a software update (which it does over the air, and which apparently cannot be disabled), it re-enables a bunch of shit and forces you to opt-out again.<p>Super creepy.
      • dismalpedigree1 minute ago
        Can confirm. Reverts opt-outs. Resets some settings. Generally a worse experience with each update. Why would I want to know how fast my truck is charging at a supercharger? Thats no longer an option.
  • xnx1 hour ago
    Don&#x27;t let Ford PR crowd out the primary message that they collect and sell your data.
    • rootusrootus15 minutes ago
      They only tried to crowd it out with the word &quot;No.&quot; however.
  • Terr_8 minutes ago
    OK, so what&#x27;s the punishment if they do it anyway? What&#x27;s their skin in the game beyond and oopsie-apology?
    • rootusrootus1 minute ago
      Well, didn&#x27;t GM just lose a 9-digit lawsuit? That sounds like punishment.
  • Luke26421 hour ago
    &quot;Your data is safe with us.&quot;<p>No, our data is barely even safe with ourselves. It&#x27;s definitely not safe with anyone else!
  • SamInTheShell52 minutes ago
    Easiest way to control your data is to pull the telemetry unit out of of your car and never take the car to the dealership. This isn&#x27;t easy, but it&#x27;s worth it.
    • jimt123437 minutes ago
      There should be an &quot;airplane mode&quot; for cars.
      • jedbrooke13 minutes ago
        not the “flying cars” we wanted, but it’s the “flying cars” we need
  • calvinmorrison48 minutes ago
    Why is there even data
    • rootusrootus24 minutes ago
      Because a lot of people like the ability to remotely access certain features on their car, and this requires telemetry.
      • calvinmorrison21 minutes ago
        it requires telemetry to remotely access certain features on their car? that doesnt seem correct.
        • rootusrootus14 minutes ago
          How else would you imagine making those features work? Short of magic, I am not seeing a way.
        • vel0city13 minutes ago
          When that feature is remote telemetry, yeah it is correct.<p>Its nice knowing the doors are actually locked when you issue a remote unlock and then lock command when a friend is trying to grab something and you didn&#x27;t want to handle the logistics of them getting to you to get the keys to get to the car and then back to you. Or making sure you really did lock it when you walked away.<p>It&#x27;s nice knowing the state of charge while the car is on the charger and get that data somewhat live while it&#x27;s charging and you&#x27;re in a restaurant or whatever.<p>It&#x27;s nice having the last known location on a map when you&#x27;re trying to find the car in a maze of a parking lot and it turns out it wasn&#x27;t parked in lot H row 72 like you thought you remembered.<p>It&#x27;s nice starting the AC or heat well before you get to the car and are far out of range of the key remote.<p>There&#x27;s a lot of telemetry that&#x27;s kind of nice to have, assuming you can have control over it and who it&#x27;s shared with. It&#x27;s not nice having it shared without your consent and potentially used against you.
          • userbinator4 minutes ago
            We had remote starters and heaters long before the Internet. Local communication ensures someone halfway around the world won&#x27;t be able to control your car, but apparently it&#x27;s too difficult (really?) or not invasive enough for their surveillance desires.
          • calvinmorrison4 minutes ago
            in a room full of experts, sometimes it takes an idiot to point out, really none of these things requires Ford to store data in a way it can access
  • advisedwang25 minutes ago
    I really have one big question about connected vehicle privacy: do you provide the data to insurance companies? This website is opaque enough that I can&#x27;t even find the answer to that question. What a joke to be celebrating your privacy principles when that isn&#x27;t even answerable.
    • water-data-dude13 minutes ago
      I&#x27;m not going to say I&#x27;m not suspicious, but the third bullet point under &quot;Our Privacy Promise&quot; says &quot;We also never sell data about how you drive your vehicle to data brokers&quot;. Then further down the page we have the FAQs, which has:<p>Q: &quot;Does Ford sell customer data about your personal vehicle&#x27;s driving behavior to data brokers or insurance companies?&quot;<p>A: No<p>Again: I don&#x27;t know how much I trust them, and when I get a new car I&#x27;ll probably be doing some research to see which ones will still run after I physically disconnect the wireless modem, but they DO answer that question
      • dismalpedigree0 minutes ago
        They don’t sell. They might just make it available through some other arrangement though
    • rootusrootus22 minutes ago
      &gt; do you provide the data to insurance companies? This website is opaque enough that I can&#x27;t even find the answer to that question.<p>It is <i>literally</i> one of the few specific questions they address:<p>&quot;Does Ford sell customer data about your personal vehicle&#x27;s driving behavior to data brokers or insurance companies?&quot; And their answer was one word.
      • Silhouette2 minutes ago
        And if you changed one word - from &quot;Does&quot; to &quot;Will&quot; - then it would be worth more than the almost nothing the current answer is worth.
    • godshatter21 minutes ago
      It&#x27;s in one of the questions you have to open to see the answer to. The answer they is simply &quot;No&quot;.
  • bell-cot3 hours ago
    I&#x27;ll guess they timed the announcement, to contrast with GM paying out 9 figures for selling consumer data - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2026&#x2F;10&#x2F;gm-to-pay-220-million-after-selling-customer-smart-driver-data&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2026&#x2F;10&#x2F;gm-to-pay-220-million-a...</a><p>It&#x27;d be lovely if other automakers followed suit, but I wouldn&#x27;t actually bet on Ford keeping its Promise.
    • rootusrootus12 minutes ago
      A 9-digit payout is a lot of incentive. I imagine the pennies they get from selling your data surreptitiously just is not worth the hassle. It costs way less than $220M to write up a privacy policy and provide working toggles in the user interface. And they may even generate goodwill.
  • basilikum1 hour ago
    These fuckers don&#x27;t even allow anonymous access from Tor to this very site where they claim to honor your privacy.
  • kmeisthax38 minutes ago
    I fully expect a Louis Rossmann video by tomorrow detailing every privacy fuck-up Ford has done in the last 3 months and how this promise is really just a promise to take away ownership in the name of protection.
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