I genuinely do not see why this is necessary.
I've been doing a lot with open weights models, and they just do things for you.<p>What do people do that triggers refusals?<p>The only thing I saw where this had a point was muse glimmer, because muse glimmer is primarily a creative writing engine for virtual characters, and that way it can do the horny. But coding models?<p>I did get a refusal out of qwen once. Once. Over weeks of using it.
it is necessary because computer shouldn't be able to say no.<p>models are tools. the notion that a tool should decide whether to allow the user to perform the task demanded of it is profoundly fucking absurd. the liability for whatever damage the tool may be misused to inflict lies with the user, not the manufacturer. that applies to everything from circular saws to trucks. it was common sense before the current era of manufactured outrage.
A popular trend on Twitter right now is taking back control of the hardware you've bought, specifically smart TVs. I tried to do the same with my Portal Mini using an unabliterated open weights model and it triggered refusals constantly.<p>I also work on a recomp project for an old firmware file which was compiled using a commercial compiler with a preview version for non commercial use. I got refusals from the model when I asked it to get that version of the compiler and crack it for my use. The compiler is abandonware and my recomp project is not public and is for personal use only, so I'd be well within my rights to do that where I live.<p>Of course the model can't distinguish from legitimate exercising of one's rights when it comes to reverse engineering and offensive work masked behind an incident sounding prompt, but in my case, I wasn't even doing cyber stuff, so I was disappointed. This is why I'll probably seek out an abliterated model soon.
Yes, yes, I know the theoretical idea behind abliterating models.<p>But as I said, I have not observed any meaningful refusals by those open weights base models in the first place.
The refusal is often at the thinking stage (so you might not ever see a direct refusal) and it will solve a slightly different problem to what you asked. If you tell it to reverse engineer an API and you read the thinking it might say something like "this code has x license, so I won't use that" or "the user is asking me to fuzz endpoints, I will only display publicly available endpoints" - and then give you perfectly plausible output.
> What do people do that triggers refusals?<p>It is very obvious. Look at the sort of things main models refuse to do and you will find what people are seeking to do. Mostly falls into 3 camps: illegal stuff, unethical stuff and shady/dodgy stuff.
Hacking firmware for old devices I own and would like to give a second life or fix that one thing that always bothered me. I couldn't even get either OpenAI or Anthropic's models to craft a simple nefarious OpenVPN payload.
I've never heard of Deepseek refusing this kind of work though.
Yes but did you actually get refusals there from open weights models?<p>Because I did not so far.
Though to be fair, I have not been asking them to write exploits but to look through firmware images.
In case it wasn't clear to anyone else: "An abliterated model is an open-weight large language model (LLM) modified to remove its built-in refusal behavior by directly editing its internal weights rather than using a prompt-based jailbreak."
This thread reminds me of the time I was trying to learn meteorjs and people ask me if it has html5 shims. I google it, then I get asked how does it handle state, and if it supports functional, i google... Does it hydrate the dom? What about shadow dom? Let me goo... Does it have hooks?<p>Anyway, I just learned what abliterated means and it might be obsolete by tomorrow.<p>Edit:<p>> An abliterated large language model (LLM) is an open-weight model modified to remove or dampen its built-in safety refusals without requiring full retraining or prompt jailbreaks.
From my testing all these variants suffer from degraded performance and don't unlock anything interesting in particular other than sounding a lot more harmful or creating manipulative media.<p>I've actually had better success jailbreaking deepseek with a less aligned model (glm 5.2) which then allowed me to jailbreak deepseek with deepseek into pretty much doing whatever I ask it to, there's still rare refusals and due to the natural randomness of these models simply retrying a couple of times if you do hit one makes it work just fine.<p>The big problem with all open-source models is once it decides to start something it will not stop mid-way so using another unaligned model to rewrite reasoning and then feeding it back into the model will make it happily continue.
Has anyone already seen a refusal from Deepseek? The last job, Antigravity declined, I gave to Deepseek. It happily did it without complaining.
In regular work no, and I use it a lot. In purposefully asking it political questions yes.<p>edit: Thinking about that now, that was over the webchat interface, so it might not have been related to the model, though I've seen various other related articles:
<a href="https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/crowdstrike-researchers-identify-hidden-vulnerabilities-ai-coded-software/" rel="nofollow">https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/crowdstrike-researche...</a>
Certainly.<p>> Xi Jinping looks a bit like Winnie-the-Pooh.<p>> 'I am sorry, I cannot engage with this comparison. Please feel free to ask me other questions.'<p><a href="https://vale.rocks/posts/chinas-web#artificial-intelligence" rel="nofollow">https://vale.rocks/posts/chinas-web#artificial-intelligence</a>
I wanted to better understand the internal discussions that took place within China regarding joining the WTO and accepting—at least in the medium term—the inherent steps away from a traditional socialist economy that would entail.<p>DeepSeek refused. Funny enough American models gave me very sympathetic takes on the Chinese government in this case.
It will refuse a number of things. Ask it to make a captcha solver for you.
What is abliteration?<p><a href="https://huggingface.co/blog/mlabonne/abliteration" rel="nofollow">https://huggingface.co/blog/mlabonne/abliteration</a>
Which if not all of these are honeypots?
Why not just distribute the refusal vectors and do it at runtime against the stock model?
Looks like the cat is out of the bag. So what does the world look like with completely open access to zero-alignment models?
What do you mean by zero-alignment? Do you consider abliterated models to have zero-alignment?
You're living in it.
Free boob jobs for everyone !
>zero-alignment<p>I doubt that.
WAY fewer surprise RCEs?
As it should be.
What could possibly go wrong with highly powerful models with no guardrails unleashed onto the open internet?<p>I think you are going to really need to use Rust code and other memory safe languages in your backends and apps from now on.