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  • throw0101c1 hour ago
    Good interview on the subject on Bloomberg&#x27;s <i>Odd Lots</i> podcast a few months back, &quot;Now There&#x27;s a Helium Shortage and It Affects More Than Balloons&quot;:<p>&gt; <i>Ripple effects from the war in Iran and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz continue to widen. There&#x27;s yet another brewing shortage, this time in helium. While most people associate helium with balloons and funny voices, the element is used in a surprisingly wide variety of industrial settings, including semiconductor production, where its role in advanced lithography has been growing rapidly. But helium mining and exploration in North America has been practically non-existent for a variety of reasons. And while the US used to have a strategic helium reserve, the government started selling that down in the late 1990s. On this episode, we speak with Nicholas Snyder, the founder and CEO of North American Helium, which does helium mining in Canada. We discuss the properties of helium that make it so useful, as well as the difficulties of expanding global production and distribution.</i><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bjc6MgUY0BE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bjc6MgUY0BE</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;omny.fm&#x2F;shows&#x2F;odd-lots&#x2F;now-theres-a-helium-shortage-and-it-affects-more-than-balloons" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;omny.fm&#x2F;shows&#x2F;odd-lots&#x2F;now-theres-a-helium-shortage-...</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcasts.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;now-theres-a-helium-shortage-and-it-affects-more&#x2F;id1056200096?i=1000757668473" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcasts.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;now-theres-a-helium-sh...</a><p>The US had a strategic reserve, but it was sold off:<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;National_Helium_Reserve" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;National_Helium_Reserve</a>
    • AIexander1 hour ago
      The sale was required by law due to the the Helium Privatization Act of 1996, signed by Clinton. Amended in 2013 by the Helium Stewardship act which allowed it to be sold in an auction with funds credited to the Helium Protection Fund, signed by Obama. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_1996" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19...</a>
      • ldoughty54 minutes ago
        1996 - Introduced by Republicans. Passed by unanimous consent in the House and Senate. [0]<p>2013 - Introduced by Republicans. Passed with 2 nay votes in the Senate, 1 in the House. [1]<p>Both parties allowed it to happen. In both cases it was veto-proof. Pointless to call out a president. Pointless to blame one party or the other. Both have overwhelming support for this.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_1996" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19...</a><p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;bill&#x2F;113th-congress&#x2F;house-bill&#x2F;527&#x2F;all-actions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;bill&#x2F;113th-congress&#x2F;house-bill&#x2F;527&#x2F;...</a>
        • myphpgothacked47 minutes ago
          This over simplifies politics.<p>If Trump made a gigantic fuss about something that seems inconsequential, there would be more than 2 nay votes.<p>The Epstein files are the counter example of this.<p>The position in the United States to make sure people vote aligned is called Whip.<p>Given the makeup of Congress, and even myself as a chem engineer, I could see this as something easy to pass.<p>Sometimes I think we need more involvement from the deep state and less from people with nice looking hair.
          • ldoughty36 minutes ago
            Everything about politics has to have enough footnote and caveats to make people&#x27;s eyes bleed... but boiling an act down to a single person is not appropriate unless they were the champion of it, or it&#x27;s intended as a placeholder for the party.<p>It sounded odd to me that Clinton&#x2F;Obama would champion this... It felt very free-market &#x2F; Republican thing to do, especially with it being called the &quot;Privatization Act&quot;... So I looked for more info.<p>Sure enough, it was introduced by Republicans... But Democrats share full blame on this if you think it&#x27;s wrong... and the measure passed by so much it&#x27;s almost pointless to call out the president because -- as you noted -- if the president fought it, there probably wouldn&#x27;t be unanimous consent followed by 98% approval on amendment. So again: Why call out the presidents and not the party numbers except to inflame?
            • AIexander13 minutes ago
              If anything it was giving credit to the 2013 amendment. It&#x27;s funny that you&#x27;re debating my relatively innocuous post when there are a number of clearly inaccurate&#x2F;irrelevant politically motivated posts in this same thread.
          • dualvariable6 minutes ago
            &gt; This over simplifies politics.<p>No, it doesn&#x27;t. &quot;Passed by Clinton&quot; and &quot;Passed by Obama&quot; are the statements that oversimplify politics.<p>&gt; The position in the United States to make sure people vote aligned is called Whip.<p>That is also a gross oversimplification of our politics.
      • croes57 minutes ago
        &gt; The 104th Congress passed the Act of Congress presenting the legislation to the United States President on September 30, 1996. President Bill Clinton enacted the federal statute into law on October 9, 1996.<p>&gt; Both chambers had Republican majorities for the first time since the 83rd Congress in 1953.
    • moralestapia1 hour ago
      &gt;The US had a strategic reserve, but it was sold off:<p>Yes, you can read more about that here, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50249073">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50249073</a>
  • AngryData2 hours ago
    Meanwhile we vent 95% of extracted helium into the atmosphere as an inconvenient waste gas.<p>If it is so important, why aren&#x27;t all our gas wells extracting that helium? It is hard for me to see this as a ploy for anything other than raising helium prices for the few companies that do extract helium.<p>In anything that helium is critical for, the helium cost is inconsequential compared to both the cost of the other equipment that uses it, and the value gained from using that equipment.
    • throw0101c1 hour ago
      &gt; <i>If it is so important, why aren&#x27;t all our gas wells extracting that helium?</i><p>Because until six months ago there was a cheap and convenient supply coming out of Persian Gulf states, and so its importance was not noticed (like so many other items that &#x27;suddenly&#x27; became apparent when the supply was suddenly cut off).
      • knappe7 minutes ago
        We&#x27;ve been having helium shortages for years:<p>&gt; The current helium shortage is the fourth to occur since 2006 and is being caused by shutdowns at several major helium producers. The shortage has been exacerbated by the war in Ukraine, as Russia is one of the world’s top suppliers of helium.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thecrimson.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2022&#x2F;6&#x2F;24&#x2F;helium-shortage-2022&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thecrimson.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2022&#x2F;6&#x2F;24&#x2F;helium-shortage...</a><p>I have a friend who teaches chemistry at a well known university that can no long run some labs because the equipment to run them needs, you guessed it, helium. This has been a long running problem that the Iran war has exacerbated, but is by no means the cause.
      • ctmlr1 hour ago
        I&#x27;ve heard Helium is a limited resource so if we have leaky wells here I think we should be preserving as much of that is possible, it&#x27;s too bad it takes pressure from an unnecessary conflict to do the right thing here.
        • throw0101c23 minutes ago
          &gt; <i>I&#x27;ve heard Helium is a limited resource</i> […]<p>I&#x27;ve heard the same thing about petroleum. :)
        • myphpgothacked41 minutes ago
          If you ask international relations scholars or people in the state department, they actually support the prevention of nuclear proliferation.<p>The general population typically are doves because they can&#x27;t see the consequences 10-50 years out.<p>My PhD bud, a Bernie supporter, thinks we should have put boots on the ground by now. I generally agree.<p>I lived through North Korea getting nuclear weapons in my lifetime. Before they were the end of a joke, today we have to care about the opinions of that backwater. (And I read international relations structural realists as much as I drink coffee... The job of the hegemon is to maintain the status quo.)
          • delecti2 minutes ago
            Iran already wasn&#x27;t working on nuclear weapons (a confident assessment by our intelligence community across the past 20+ years). The JCPOA then gave us the ability to verify that for ourselves. Then we blew up their leader who was firmly opposed to developing nuclear weapons, and the new one doesn&#x27;t feel the same.
    • gonzalohm1 hour ago
      Helium is really hard to store and transport
    • cma2 hours ago
      If helium prices are raised by this won&#x27;t that lower the threshold where it is considered a waste gas?
  • captainmuon2 hours ago
    After squandering the national helium reserve for years, because &quot;lol free markets&quot; ideology. It&#x27;s crazy that we put that stuff into balloons for fun (helium is pretty abundant in the universe, but the economically viable sources are fossil).
    • shagie1 hour ago
      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;health-news&#x2F;us-just-sold-helium-stockpile-s-medical-world-worried-rcna134785" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;health-news&#x2F;us-just-sold-heli...</a> (2024)<p>&gt; On Thursday, the U.S. government sold the Federal Helium Reserve, a massive underground stockpile based in Amarillo, Texas, that supplies up to 30% of the country’s helium.<p>&gt; Once the deal is finalized, the buyer — which will likely be the highest bidder, the industrial gas company Messer — will claim some 425 miles of pipelines spanning Texas, Kansas and Oklahoma, plus about 1 billion cubic feet of the only element on Earth cold enough to make an MRI machine work.<p>&gt; ...<p>&gt; The sale has been in the works for more than a decade. Congress first mandated it through the Helium Stewardship Act of 2013. It was initially supposed to occur in 2021, but a series of delays — in part due to the same logistical and regulatory issues threatening shutdowns today — postponed the auction to Thursday.<p>---<p>The Helium Stewardship Act: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;bill&#x2F;113th-congress&#x2F;house-bill&#x2F;527" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;bill&#x2F;113th-congress&#x2F;house-bill&#x2F;527</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blm.gov&#x2F;programs&#x2F;energy-and-minerals&#x2F;helium&#x2F;stewardship" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blm.gov&#x2F;programs&#x2F;energy-and-minerals&#x2F;helium&#x2F;stew...</a><p>---<p>And its been on the &quot;todo list of the federal government for decades&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_storage_and_conservation#Helium_Privatization_Act" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_storage_and_conservatio...</a><p>&gt; ... Since 2013 the world&#x27;s largest helium hub is no longer located in the United States of America but in Qatar, which produces 1.3 billion cubic feet of helium per year from a single project and meets 25% of the global demand. One challenge related to bringing new helium sources onto the market is that it usually requires venture capital financing. Another challenge is that the current selling price of U.S. Cliffside helium is too low to encourage more new producers to enter the field.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_1996" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19...</a>
    • pessimizer1 hour ago
      &gt; It&#x27;s crazy that we put that stuff into balloons for fun<p>We barely do anymore; one of the main reasons the Party City chain went bankrupt was the sharp rise in the cost of helium. The other two were covid and private equity of course <i>lol.</i><p>&gt; The following year, the owners had Party City borrow $338 million to pay themselves a dividend.
  • comrade123437 minutes ago
    I thought during the last trump administration they got rid of the helium reserve and sold it all off? Or am I taking crazy pills?!
    • gruez30 minutes ago
      Yes, because the sale was mandated 2 decades ago<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_1996" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19...</a>
      • ReptileMan1 minute ago
        To be fair the Executive Branch in the last 50 years seems to look at the Congresses&#x27; laws more as &quot;recommendations that could be ignored if we really want to&quot; and this would have been a perfect case to do so.
  • ctmlr1 hour ago
    FINALLY! Helium is for welding and science not goddamn party balloons, hydrogen party balloons sounds way more fun anyway (just keep them away from birthday candles).
    • Joel_Mckay40 minutes ago
      There is no science greater than party balloons, and funny sounding voices. =3
      • rbanffy1 minute ago
        Can it work with hydrogen?
  • brightball1 hour ago
    Yea, the sale of the federal helium reserve never made sense to me back in 2013.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blm.gov&#x2F;press-release&#x2F;blm-helium-system-sale-provides-460-million-us-treasury" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blm.gov&#x2F;press-release&#x2F;blm-helium-system-sale-pro...</a><p>Messer American is in a good spot now I suppose:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blm.gov&#x2F;announcement&#x2F;blm-accepts-bids-sale-federal-helium-system" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blm.gov&#x2F;announcement&#x2F;blm-accepts-bids-sale-feder...</a>
  • nine_k1 hour ago
    Will birthday balloons be filled with hydrogen instead? They would have a much stronger pull!
    • aidenn012 minutes ago
      If by &quot;much stronger&quot; you mean &quot;less than 10% stronger&quot;<p>A theoretical &quot;vacuum filled&quot; balloon would only be 16% more lift per unit volume than a helium balloon.
    • hansvm1 hour ago
      I would&#x27;ve loved that as a kid. For that matter, I did actually fill some balloons with hydrogen using vinegar and something (might&#x27;ve cut some magnesium off one of those primitive fire starters, or I might&#x27;ve used a weaker metal, can&#x27;t quite remember). I think I used the glass tube Costco used to use as a vanilla bean container to strap the balloon onto.
      • garlic_enjoyer49 minutes ago
        Zinc and vinegar is what you&#x27;re looking for. Our high school science class had us fill plastic pipette bulbs to make rockets.
        • hansvm9 minutes ago
          Zinc would&#x27;ve worked too, I might have clipped the corner off some pennies or something. Magnesium works too though, and I definitely had access to magnesium. It was awhile ago though, so I&#x27;m not sure what I did.
  • hkchad1 hour ago
    Lets hope this get my T bottle&#x27;s lower than $675 each, it&#x27;s almost 2x what I was paying last year.
  • camcil2 hours ago
    I guess this explains why it cost me $60 to fill up a handful of birthday balloons a couple of months ago.
    • Foxhuls2 hours ago
      From what I understand there are many different grades of helium and the shortages (at least when I initially was looking in to them) revolved more around the higher grades.
      • hkchad1 hour ago
        Yes, there are. The Semiconducter stuff is 6 9&#x27;s 99.9999, then there&#x27;s UHP .9995 which is what I use, then .999 mostly welding I think? Then goes down from there. Most &#x27;balloon&#x27; grade has some oxygen in it since people like to inhale it and talk funny, adding a little o2 keeps people from dying.
        • llm_nerd1 hour ago
          I have to interject here because I think this is a slightly dangerous claim.<p>Balloon helium is just helium, broadly, at 98%+ concentration. It has a tiny amount of atmospheric gas, mostly nitrogen, in it as there is no need to go too far with purifying it, but there is zero intention of making it any safer to inhale. It is basically accidental contaminants.<p>If you inhale 98%+ helium, the diffusion gradient reverses and oxygen floods out of your blood. Did this once as a kid and actually blacked out. This is functionally just as true at 98% helium with some nitrogen and a tiny amount of oxygen as it is with 99.9999% helium. The difference for inhalation is a wash.<p>Inhaling helium is not advised. The protection we have, such as in my case, is that invariably our rapid physiological response stops us from inhaling helium and oxygen can return.
        • ASalazarMX1 hour ago
          Can&#x27;t deny it&#x27;s a funny way of dying, though.
          • fooqux1 hour ago
            It&#x27;s only funny when clowns do it, obviously.
      • llm_nerd1 hour ago
        It&#x27;s all the same helium, of course, going through different levels of industrial purification. I only clarify this as it isn&#x27;t like we find super pure reserves in nature and that&#x27;s what is lucrative, but instead it&#x27;s all the same contaminated helium and then it gets processed to further and further levels of purification, like many other industrial products.<p>If there is a shortage of helium, it&#x27;s a shortage of all the same helium. But so long as it&#x27;s treated as a novelty gas, and so long as it continues to just be wasted, it&#x27;s hard to take claims of a shortage too seriously.<p>As a fun fact, the vast majority of helium on Earth is courtesy of the radioactive alpha decay chain starting from heavy elements like Uranium and Thorium. Helium got trapped by the same geological formations that trapped natural gas, hence why they&#x27;re usually found together despite being from completely different processes.
  • PowerElectronix32 minutes ago
    Oh no! My Helium!!<p>C&#x27;mon... First, there&#x27;s no infrastructure in the US to process the gas and purify to semi manufacturing levels. Second, as soon as the epstein war is done (either by Iran allowing navigation through Hormuz or the arab countries developing alternative routes), Helium orices will go back to be so low it doesn&#x27;t make financial sense to purify unless you have the volumes they have. And by then, still no infrastructure would be ready for the task.
    • shagie7 minutes ago
      The oil reserve is so that when there&#x27;s a war in the Middle East you have some period of time before you run out and encounter price shocks.<p>The helium reserve is so that when there&#x27;s a war in the Middle East...<p>The US has drawn down on the first one substantially and sold the second one to the private sector a decade ago that had no interest in maintaining it.
  • ycombinatornews1 hour ago
    Getting Enron&#x2F;PGE vibes from this timeline
  • moralestapia2 hours ago
    Didn&#x27;t they just sell like 80% of their reserve for pennies?<p>Edit: Yes, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;health-news&#x2F;us-just-sold-helium-stockpile-s-medical-world-worried-rcna134785" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;health-news&#x2F;us-just-sold-heli...</a><p>Sold at a discount, then it becomes critical so its value gets a premium. What a coinkydink.
    • marcosdumay1 hour ago
      They choose the timing of each of those events with total freedom and independently.
  • Dig1t1 hour ago
    There&#x27;s a great episode about US helium by Planet Money from 2019 that tells the fascinating story of the US helium stockpile and how the shortage was created by government decisions.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;16&#x2F;751845378&#x2F;episode-933-find-the-helium" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;16&#x2F;751845378&#x2F;episode-933-find-th...</a>
  • ex1fm3ta2 hours ago
    I can smell the collusion here from a thousand miles away. Trump must go to jail
    • NewJazz2 hours ago
      I care more about his estate being nationalized. He mixed too much. We can&#x27;t tell what is his, what is the people&#x27;s... Just take it all. And his complicit family members too.
      • deadnomore2 hours ago
        Also tear down the ballroom, arch, Kennedy&#x2F;Trump center, helipad, and much more to make Trump invisible and remove his legacy fully.
        • jiggawatts39 minutes ago
          Realistically, the worst consequence he will ever face is his name being passed over for naming the next generation of aircraft carriers.<p>No <i>USS Donald J Trump</i> in our future is the best you can look forward to.
    • CharlesW1 hour ago
      Given his track record, it&#x27;s more likely than not that there&#x27;s a causal relationship between this and ExxonMobil&#x27;s (they own&#x2F;operate a major U.S. helium source in Wyoming) $1M pay-to-play into Trump&#x27;s 2025 inaugural fund.
  • varispeed1 hour ago
    Let me guess. The Orange Trumpolini is cooking up a new deal with his pal and custodian of Epstein files, Putin.<p>When are you Americans going to arrest this fool?
    • jiggawatts37 minutes ago
      If Trump can be sent to jail, then <i>any</i> billionaire could be jailed! Can you imagine!? Surely we all agree this is an unacceptable turn of events, right, fellow billionaires?
  • dolphinscorpion2 hours ago
    Trump kids already bought some small companies months ago, I guess
    • MisterTea1 hour ago
      Do you happen to have a source for this?
      • lirolero1 hour ago
        Are you illiterate? Don&#x27;t you know what “I guess” means??
  • Zenul_Abidin2 hours ago
    You can literally find it in the air.
    • not_a_bot_4sho1 hour ago
      Like gold in beach sand.<p>It&#x27;s everywhere. But extracting it is expensive and not very economical.
    • GloriousKoji1 hour ago
      There&#x27;s more water in the air than helium.
    • mttch41 minutes ago
      Or the moon, or Uranus
      • shagie4 minutes ago
        Helium on the moon is <i>much</i> more interesting than helium on the earth.<p>Most of the helium on the Earth is from radioactive decay.<p>The helium on the moon, however, is from capture from solar wind... and has a higher concentration of helium 3. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.esa.int&#x2F;Enabling_Support&#x2F;Preparing_for_the_Future&#x2F;Space_for_Earth&#x2F;Energy&#x2F;Helium-3_mining_on_the_lunar_surface" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.esa.int&#x2F;Enabling_Support&#x2F;Preparing_for_the_Futur...</a>