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  • henrik_w31 minutes ago
    I read The man From the Future a few years ago, and I highly recommend it! John von Neumann was such a fascinating and influential character. If you are interested in the modern history of mathematics, computers, game theory and more, pick up a copy.<p>I also wrote about why I liked the book so much:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;henrikwarne.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;07&#x2F;john-von-neumann-the-man-from-the-future&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;henrikwarne.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;07&#x2F;john-von-neumann-the-man-...</a>
  • willguest1 hour ago
    I recently read &#x27;Maniac&#x27; by Benjamin Labatut, which also tracks the life of Johnny von Neumann. It is a wonderful read - very eloquently put together, giving accounts of the man from the perspectives of several people in his life.<p>Not only does it capture the alien-like genius of the protagonist, but also described his particular emotional and social character in a way that I have not seen written elsewhere. Highly recommended.
  • FLeXMurphy1 hour ago
    &gt; Johnny remained a game theorist to the end. After a lifetime of culturally Jewish atheism, he asked to be baptized. His daughter attributed it to Pascal&#x27;s Wager: a small probability of a much better afterlife, against a trivial cost.<p>The house always wins.
    • roarcher1 hour ago
      I&#x27;ve always thought that surely an all-knowing god would consider Pascal&#x27;s Wager to be rather mercenary and insincere, and it wouldn&#x27;t count.
      • TFNA23 minutes ago
        Judaism has, outside some mystical currents, less of an emphasis on &quot;well, do you <i>really</i> believe?&quot; than in Christianity, and more of an emphasis on rule-following (and studying how to navigate those rules) as the basic bargain between God and man.<p>EDIT: My bad, I missed that Neumann asked to be <i>baptised</i>, so he wasn&#x27;t going back to the Judaism of his ancestors.
        • roarcher14 minutes ago
          True, but I believe Pascal was specifically talking about the Christian god, was he not? Ironically, Jesus clearly claims that what truly matters to god is your intentions, as in the goodness of your heart. I would argue that Paul came along later and dumbed that idea down to &quot;do you <i>really</i> believe?&quot;, which is what Pascal based his wager on.
      • lazyasciiart26 minutes ago
        A god who didn&#x27;t like rules lawyering would ruin a lot of people&#x27;s plans <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;13&#x2F;721551785&#x2F;a-fishing-line-encircles-manhattan-protecting-sanctity-of-sabbath" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;13&#x2F;721551785&#x2F;a-fishing-line-enci...</a>
      • jrochkind154 minutes ago
        Or maybe he&#x27;d even penalize you for it.<p>It&#x27;s important to recall that an all-<i>knowing</i> God isn&#x27;t necessarily very compassionate, or even rational. Some of the people I&#x27;ve known who knew the most have been the biggest assholes. Or insane.<p>What if there&#x27;s a god, but he punishes humans for believing he exists, just for fun? Where&#x27;s your wager now?
        • TimTheTinker40 minutes ago
          &gt; What if there&#x27;s a god, but he punishes humans for believing he exists, just for fun? Where&#x27;s your wager now?<p>That&#x27;s the equivalent of Russell&#x27;s teapot - an imagined, unfalsifiable proposition.<p>But Pascal&#x27;s wager was anchored to specific attested propositions: specifically, the gospel of Jesus (repent of sin and call to him, he&#x27;s paid for it and will save you from judgment and eternal separation from God if you do) rooted in the historical events of his verbal claim to be the son of God, followed by his death and resurrection, witnessed by many. You may agree or disagree, but what you are affirming or denying is at least concrete and specific.
          • roarcher34 minutes ago
            &gt; But Pascal&#x27;s wager was anchored to specific attested propositions: specifically, the gospel of Jesus<p>Right, but that&#x27;s the problem with it. It assumes that there are only two possibilities: no god, or the god of the New Testament.<p>Betting that Pascal&#x27;s god exists isn&#x27;t the safe choice that the wager makes it out to be, because it&#x27;s equally possible that some other god exists (or just some other version of the Abrahamic god, say Allah or the pre-messiah god of Israel) and your faith in Jesus is just going to piss him off.<p>Believe in Jesus all you want, but Pascal&#x27;s Wager is a pretty terrible reason to do so.<p>Edit to add: Your description is also not even the only possible New Testament god. Some (myself included) would argue that that particular image of god was painted more by Paul than by Jesus.
          • Maxatar33 minutes ago
            Pascal&#x27;s wager was not at all anchored to any specific attestations, you are taking his wager and reinterpreting it to give it some kind of legitimacy that it never originally held. The entire point of the wager was to justify belief in the absence of sufficient evidence, by appealing to the asymmetry between infinite reward and finite cost. If your now arguing that Christianity is more credible because of historical evidence, so be it and stick to it but you&#x27;ve abandoned Pascal&#x27;s wager and moved on to an entirely different argument.
            • anonymous90821310 minutes ago
              &gt; by appealing to the asymmetry between infinite reward and finite cost<p>The supposed asymmetry only holds in a framework that assumes the Christian God as the only possibility. The point is that it&#x27;s possible for there to be a god that isn&#x27;t Yahweh, and that god might sentence you eternal torment for believing in Yahweh, so in fact believing in Yahweh can result in infinite cost, destroying the value of the wager.
    • tombert3 minutes ago
      I never really understood Pascal&#x27;s Wager.<p>Maybe I&#x27;m just weird, but I can&#x27;t actually choose what I <i>believe</i>. I can choose to go to church and I can choose to <i>say</i> I believe and I can choose to donate money to some religious institution, but I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;m capable of believing something that I think is dumb.
      • rcxdude1 minute ago
        Yeah, this is one of the more subtle issues with Pascal&#x27;s wager.