10 comments

  • input_sh1 hour ago
    What a beautiful day. 14 years of oppression, absolute power, no media freedom, and the most ridiculously botted internet down the drain.
    • johnisgood1 hour ago
      Same thing happened in Hungary earlier this year, after 16 years of Orbán (and FWIW, the two are &#x2F; were &quot;good friends&quot;).<p>Interesting times.
    • throwaw121 hour ago
      do you think, if there was real oppression people could even vote democratically and change their government?<p>I think you don&#x27;t know what is oppression then.<p>(not downplaying how bad Vucic had been to Serbia, but the fact that people replaced him without violence and democratically means something still was in place)
      • necovek1 hour ago
        There are certainly different levels of oppression and autocracy.<p>Here it was designed and made to look like a democracy, but it really required a 70% turnout and 50%+ of people voting against the ruling party for them to accept defeat, especially as there are still large vote thefts going on (to the order of 5-10% of the entire voting population). Basically, anything less than 50% would have put the country in turmoil and violence — again.<p>As a tidbit, we&#x27;ve got 6.4M registered voters (18+) in a country of 6.5M people. There are a few explanations about how that works, but I&#x27;ll let you draw your own conclusions.
        • ncruces57 minutes ago
          Dead people not removed from the registry?
      • kergonath58 minutes ago
        &gt; do you think, if there was real oppression people could even vote democratically and change their government?<p>Sorry, they get no bonus point for accepting the elections’ results. It’s the bare minimum if they want to pretend to be in a democracy. It does not make them any less oppressive. See also Orban and the PiS.<p>Now they have some time in the opposition to build something credible to get back into power if they really want it.
      • ZnerflBerp1 hour ago
        &quot;not downplaying how bad Vucic had been to Serbia&quot;.<p>But you are, though.
      • cromka59 minutes ago
        Oppression is not binary. And modern forms make it extremely difficult to hold the oppressive governments accountable.
      • chpatrick24 minutes ago
        There&#x27;s a spectrum between the Netherlands and North Korea.
      • shevy-java10 minutes ago
        That is not a good analysis. Both North Korea and Russia claim to be democratic countries - see the name &quot;Democratic People&#x27;s Republic of Korea&quot;.
      • 17186274401 hour ago
        Would you also say for example, that there was no suppression in the GDR?
      • stavros1 hour ago
        What is the point of this &quot;no true Scotsman&quot; comment, exactly? To defend Vucic? Or to say that what the people managed to do wasn&#x27;t very hard because they managed to do it?
        • falserum44 minutes ago
          If you question was honest, most likely - a dislike for semantic bleaching.<p>Also, some (not me), have survived regimes like Tito, Assad or Saddam, they definitely would have different perspective on word oppression.<p>(A thing to get us on the same ground, lets call him extremely corrupt, very few will dispute that)
  • mzajc4 minutes ago
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  • puchatek1 hour ago
    I&#x27;m just afraid Elon will invite the Russian but operators onto xAI servers in time for the midterms. Or they find another home in Kasachstan. I&#x27;m guessing they are quite mobile.
    • globalise831 hour ago
      Just laughing quietly to myself at the thought there is someone out there who believes they are not already there.
      • Bluestein1 hour ago
        Insightful.-
      • aliasxneo1 hour ago
        [flagged]
        • UltraSane1 hour ago
          It isn&#x27;t a caricature. Elon already lets bots run rampant on Twitter.
          • aliasxneo53 minutes ago
            [flagged]
            • nkrisc29 minutes ago
              He was just showing us how high the corn grows?
              • aliasxneo26 minutes ago
                Nope, just gesturing his thanks to the crowd, like countless other videos of people doing have surfaced since then.
    • postsantum34 minutes ago
      &#x27;member when HN wasn&#x27;t attracting technically illiterate people?
  • evek1 hour ago
    Finally, time for the cleanup.
  • shevy-java11 minutes ago
    Great win for democracy. Now the students will have to show that they can do better than Vucic.<p>This won&#x27;t be too hard, but there is an economic recession in the whole Euro-zone right now. Overcoming that is a challenge for many countries right now.
  • mrtksn1 hour ago
    Meanwhile, in Bulgaria there was the presidential election that no one cared about so the turnout is in the %20 and the pro-Russian candidate severely underperformed. It was expected to be %47 vs %30, ended up being in the %30 for both the pro-Russian and the pro-western candidates.<p>Also the stronghold of Erdogan is crumbling with the collapse of $20B ponzi scheme where all the winners happen to be from Erdogan’s inner circle.<p>It’s overall a feeling of earth moving in Europe again.
    • timcobb1 hour ago
      Le Pen? AfD?
      • kergonath48 minutes ago
        Le Pen is more or less dead politically. The RN is currently twisting itself into knots because they want to use the anti-government protests but are still supposed to be about law and order.
        • noeltock32 minutes ago
          Le Pen is leading polls and is the polymarket fav by 2-3x.
          • spacebeer19 minutes ago
            You know who else was polymarket fav? The guy in this news who just lost
      • mrtksn1 hour ago
        What about them?
        • layer81 hour ago
          Gaining ground in the two largest EU countries.
          • doginasuit1 hour ago
            Every movement has a counter movement.
      • demolitiontf21 hour ago
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        • timcobb35 minutes ago
          These folks aren&#x27;t &quot;the right&quot;, they&#x27;re people dishing out lazy answers to challening problems. They are, like Donald Trump, unserious and will undertake a state level smash and grab as soon as they&#x27;re put into power, at levels previously unknown in the EU (like DJT here).<p>Lots of Europeans are turning &quot;right&quot; because they want easy answers to challenging problems, same as here in the US. For example, appeasing Russia is way easier than accepting that you need to fight Russia. Russia is at your doorstep, rabid, and ready to eat you up. And the European &quot;right&quot; wants to buy its gas. Hot diggity dog. That&#x27;s scary.
        • Labfox42 minutes ago
          I mean those are extremists, not just right wing. I think if we had left wing extremists winning elections all over Europe there would be the same type of reactions.
  • comrade123449 minutes ago
    This is great! I never understood the Serbian view of allying with a loser country like Russia. I assume it was all corruption and oligarchs.
    • falserum24 minutes ago
      Nato bombed Serbia in 1999. Russia is anti nato. Result unsurprising.<p>Hopefully, wounds are healing, and more productive friends can be found.
      • rasz18 minutes ago
        Why did Nato bomb Serbia in 1999?
        • navane11 minutes ago
          Serbia and Croatia attacked Bosnia. All three parties are former yougoslavia. It&#x27;s complicated.
        • lokar8 minutes ago
          Genocide
    • baxtr41 minutes ago
      They share many cultural elements.
  • christkv1 hour ago
    Is this new party cohesive enough or will it split into infighting?
    • necovek1 hour ago
      It is not really a party — it&#x27;s a nomination list by the protest-organising students — and the people really voted <i>against</i> the ruling party.<p>The idea is for this to enable true democracy to re-appear, and then actual parties would battle it out in the next elections.<p>I&#x27;d say the risk to political stability in Serbia remains, but just like in any functioning democracy, what matters is that there is regular change and politicians understand that they are soon to be replaced (this avoids the levels of corruption that is multiples of base government project costs and actually cost lives).
  • cdrnsf1 hour ago
    Good. The world needs fewer fascists and nationalists in power.
    • 2OEH8eoCRo020 minutes ago
      Dont look at Brazil&#x27;s election thats happening right now.<p>Edit: Hopefully this ages poorly. It&#x27;s a tight race
    • holoduke46 minutes ago
      The replacement party isn&#x27;t any better though. It will not change anything in Serbia. Just like Hungary which might look like it&#x27;s changed , but it&#x27;s not. The political layer isn&#x27;t remotely controlling those countries. Powerful institutions are. And they are not chosen.
      • chpatrick22 minutes ago
        I&#x27;m Hungarian and there have been countless positive changes in only half a year. The people in charge are also way more competent than the last lot who all got promoted based on loyalty.<p>* Billions in EU funds restored<p>* State funded propaganda shut down<p>* Tax cuts for low earners<p>* European prosecutor&#x27;s office joined and anti corruption agency established with real power, crooks already going to jail<p>* Forint 363 to the euro compared to 400 in 2023<p>* Homophobic law repealed<p>* Term limit introduced for MPs and PMs<p>* Rail overhaul plan<p>* No more kowtowing to Russia
      • falserum16 minutes ago
        (1) Nothing changes over night. (Unless you want explosions; I surely dont)<p>(2) The most important thing is that power was handed over peacefully. New guy, new team, new ideas and approaches.
      • jacobgorm32 minutes ago
        Can you describe in detail what these powerful institutions are, and how they manage to hold back change?
      • cdrnsf45 minutes ago
        The same is true of the US, up to a point. Should the democrats win in the midterms, they’re largely defined by being not their opponents. They’re still corporatist and unwilling to take meaningful stands or make significant changes.
      • velvetz34 minutes ago
        I’m genuinely curious, what makes you think Hungary hasn’t changed?
      • izacus37 minutes ago
        Saying Hungary hasn&#x27;t changed has to be the biggest lie I&#x27;ve seen in a while.
    • deadbabe1 hour ago
      By any means necessary.
  • orphereus1 hour ago
    How is this Hackernews?
    • consumer4511 hour ago
      I think that’s a fair question.<p>Disrupting the incumbent authoritarian while surviving LRAD attacks is pretty darn bad ass, and teaches lessons to us all.<p>On the incumbent side, even when you seem to have all control on your side, you can go too far in your corruption(civility&#x2F;product&#x2F;whatever) and lose.
    • kergonath43 minutes ago
      Someone posted and other people upvoted. But don’t worry, it will get flagged and drop out of the front page soon enough.
    • layer81 hour ago
      The student protest movement “hacked” the authoritarian rule.
    • mrtksn1 hour ago
      It reminds that those feelings invincible may actually not be.
    • izend1 hour ago
      Agreed, why should serbia get a thread and not BC&#x27;s massive flip from far left to conservatives with last night landslide win.
      • ytoawwhra921 hour ago
        If you submit an article about that people who find it interesting may upvote it and it may end up on the front page, like this one.
      • masfuerte1 hour ago
        You didn&#x27;t submit the BC story.
      • aliasxneo1 hour ago
        It still blows my mind that people on here delude themselves with thinking a pro-conservative piece would ever hit the main page for any meaningful period of time. Not that I care, I&#x27;m neither conservative nor do I come into HN thinking it&#x27;s not heavily tainted one way. But how someone arrives at the opposite result still baffles me.