12 comments

  • ActionHank0 minutes ago
    So let's assume it goes forward, what are my options to maintain privacy?
  • EmbarrassedHelp23 minutes ago
    If the bill isn't dramatically changed or killed, all the major messaging services along with tons of other services will end up blocking Canada.
  • loufe16 minutes ago
    I'm not sure what more to do then to annoy my friends and family and speak with my MP (done), who had already voted against it. Canada's political system seems healthy compared to the USA, but it doesn't feel healthy objectively.
    • slopinthebag12 minutes ago
      it's not healthy, even compared to the states. it's just not crazy like the states.
  • petcat56 minutes ago
    &gt; also expand the sharing of Canadians’ personal data with foreign law enforcement, including the United States. Canada has been negotiating a cross-border data-sharing agreement with the U.S. that would allow American police to get information about Canadian internet users without any Canadian court oversight.<p>This is actually even more amazing to me that with all the talk of data sovereignty, the EU and Canada are still negotiating reciprocal Cloud Act treaties that will give the US government warrantless access to basically all digital services and communications. The UK and Australia have already codified these agreements with the US.<p>Trump&#x27;s loud mouth brought these issues to the forefront, but really it seems like everyone is just waiting for it to blow over when he&#x27;s gone in 2 years and then it&#x27;s back to usual.
    • sellmesoap27 minutes ago
      I wonder why the Canadian government would share citizens data with the u.s. while all this 51st state talk and terrif stuff is going on, does Canada get access to Americans data in return?
      • petcat19 minutes ago
        &gt; does Canada get access to Americans data in return?<p>It probably is reciprocal, but in reality Canadian companies sell very little (if any) digital services to Americans. There isn&#x27;t much they can even access. It&#x27;s why the arrangement is so lopsided.
    • sandworm10135 minutes ago
      &gt;&gt; everyone is just waiting for it to blow over when he&#x27;s gone in 2 years and then it&#x27;s back to usual.<p>Trump is the symptom, not the disease. It will not go back to normal. US politics has changed. The US people have changed. There won&#x27;t be a Trump 2.0 but there will be other equally horrible leaders. Maybe not the next president, but likely the one after that. Canada must adapt to the new realty rather than deny and wait.
      • bvan29 minutes ago
        Exactly. If it’s happened once, it will happen again.
    • Vaushite53 minutes ago
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  • joshdavham44 minutes ago
    Be the change you want to see in the world! If you disagree with this bill don’t sit idle!
    • betaby23 minutes ago
      I too receive auto-replies from my MP.
      • kennywinker18 minutes ago
        I have an MP i can reliably count on to vote against bullshit like this, which means i have nobody who is accountable to me to write emails to.
        • betaby6 minutes ago
          Liberal MPs are going to vote as party says without exceptions. Aslos this <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nationalpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;liberal-star-candidate-raises-eyebrows-for-role-in-the-phoenix-pay-system-nightmare" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nationalpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;liberal-star-candidate-...</a>
    • slopinthebag14 minutes ago
      there is literally nothing people can do. the party in charge has a majority government and a media biased enough to sell this bill as a positive thing.<p>the only thing that could make a difference is if apple, whatsapp, and instagram all blocked canadians from using those services. the liberal party and the media would still find a way to blame trump for it, and the pm&#x27;s popularity would increase.
  • matteoraso38 minutes ago
    It&#x27;s very rare for the senate to kill a bill. I would say that we alreadt ran out of time.
  • bluefirebrand1 hour ago
    I&#x27;m Canadian, and this matters a lot to me, but people don&#x27;t care<p>The culture here is so mired in political apathy that it feels futile to even bother. People just do not care at all<p>I&#x27;m not a huge activist but I have been involved in a number of things when they matter a lot to me over the past twenty years or so, starting in college, but not a single one of them has ever gone my way<p>I&#x27;m unemployed now and worried I&#x27;m going to have an incredibly hard time ever finding work in software again, and AI is taking over, and here I am. Defeated again<p>I don&#x27;t have it in me to fight this stuff anymore. The machine has won against me at least
    • joshdavham45 minutes ago
      I’m also Canadian and I don’t share your pessimism at all.<p>The people I know are not apathetic and I’m sorry that things don’t go your way politically, but that’s life. For example, the recent Vancouver election didn’t go my way - big whoop.
    • allthetime47 minutes ago
      Sounds like you’re just as apathetic as those you despise.<p>Watching our provinces fall one by one to corrupt&#x2F;kleptocratic “conservative” governments has certainly done a number on me, but it’s only made me more vocal and more involved in local advocacy.<p>All that apathy out there is an opportunity to awaken care and turn the tide.<p>Get off your ass and help.
      • bigyabai38 minutes ago
        Well, I&#x27;m American, and I watched my peers lose this fight 10+ years ago.<p>I was in school when the Snowden leaks came around, and asked dozens of students and teachers what they thought about it. The majority of them had no idea what had happened, some even outright rejecting it as a foreign smear campaign. A handful of people showed interest, but lost interest when there was no connection to aliens or the Bermuda triangle. My freedom-loving cohort was too preoccupied with YouTube, Twitter and Instagram for it to matter.<p>Fast forward to today, you&#x27;re probably running USA-designed spyware on whatever computer and phone you import from America. Canada already belongs to FIVE EYES, your mobile handset market is almost entirely captured by pushover US corporations that backdoor Push Notifications and rename lakes apropos of nothing.<p>No matter what happens with this bill, the threat of surveillance will loom long over Canadians. Political motivation is important, but trusting the United States is an albatross on the neck.
    • Vaushite54 minutes ago
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  • FLeXMurphy28 minutes ago
    I remember a few people who opposed this bill, including a Canadian professor of law&#x2F;lawyer Michael &lt;something&gt;, who wanted to oppose this. What happened to that? HN had blog posts about it I believe.
    • slopinthebag19 minutes ago
      michael geist. yes pretty much everybody knowledgeable about this bill, regardless of political stripes are against this bill. except for the party in power.<p>the media spends almost all of their time attacking the opposition leader instead of the current pm (who has a majority gov), so people are unfortunately quite under informed on c22 and other things the gov is doing.
      • creaturemachine16 minutes ago
        CPC should take down the punching bag if they&#x27;re tired of it being used.
  • FLeXMurphy1 hour ago
    Love this. Looking forward to a private keys being `4` because the govt needs it that way.
  • morrocanrapist59 minutes ago
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    • trallnag57 minutes ago
      FYI &#x2F;pol&#x2F; is up again
      • bluefirebrand48 minutes ago
        Frankly surprised that username didn&#x27;t get some kind of auto flag on its own
  • slopinthebag28 minutes ago
    the largest voting block in canada (seniors) aren&#x27;t really capable of understanding this issue let alone prioritizing it. in fact, for liberal voters the only thing they care about is opposing and antagonizing trump, or at least the appearance of doing so. keeping housing unaffordable is a distant second priority.<p>so bills like this will continue to go through since the liberals have a majority and the PMs popularity counterintuitively goes <i>up</i> as things go from bad to worse. im finding it hard to have any motivation to oppose this bill since resistance seems to be futile.<p>the dark liberal decade gets longer and darker in canada.
  • motohagiography45 minutes ago
    This govts to attitude to the dignity of its citizens is demoralizing. I have more hope in the outcome of a US annexation than I do for any significant positive policy direction. it’s done. Bureaucracy has triumphed and there’s nothing to save.