11 comments

  • Luker8834 minutes ago
    If I let a &quot;self-driving&quot; car run and it smashes into things its my fault.<p>If OpenAI does it, it&#x27;s gone rogue and it is nobody&#x27;s fault.<p>They need to be sued, the laws are already there.<p>Your prompt, your responsibility.
    • gruez12 minutes ago
      1. If for whatever reason OpenAI causes damage, they most certainly are at fault and have to pay up. When people complain that OpenAI is &quot;getting away with it&quot;, they&#x27;re most certainly talking about it in the criminal context.<p>2. Cars have pretty specific laws around them (eg. driver licensing and &quot;reckless driving&quot;) which makes criminal prosecutions easy. The same doesn&#x27;t exist for operating AI agents or even computers. For instance, it&#x27;s arguably reckless to connect a windows XP machine to the internet, possibly allowing criminal or nation-state hackers to use your computer to commit crimes, but you won&#x27;t be thrown in jail for it.
    • ralph8411 minutes ago
      Nothing is stopping anyone from suing them. In fact they are being sued by dozens of plaintiffs for various things already. The reality is the damage from these &quot;rogue incidents&quot; has been minimal.
      • Matl5 minutes ago
        Plenty of hackers were locked up who did altogether not that much damage too, the reason why people are upset is because it feels like OpenAI is laughing in our faces, basically saying they&#x27;re above the law, while using this as a marketing campaign to pump up their upcoming IPO.
    • mitxela31 minutes ago
      Actually self-driving cars have a lot of similar anti-responsibility laws now
      • Luker8829 minutes ago
        Really? I&#x27;m curios where.<p>Are you sure you are not thinking about autonomous taxis, that I only ride in, and don&#x27;t actually drive?
        • to11mtm1 minute ago
          You&#x27;re correct as far as laws to my knowledge; only L4&#x2F;L5 &#x27;fully autonomous&#x27; vehicles are shielded by law.<p>That said, I <i>think</i> that Mercedes-Benz promises to shield liability, but only under some almost contradictory conditions (pre-mapped highways, good weather, and at speeds lower than any highway I&#x27;ve ever driven) and the driver has to take over within 10 seconds if prompted.
  • variety86757 minutes ago
    It’s insane how they’re allowed to just turn this into marketing for how powerful their models are
  • goodcake39630 minutes ago
    They are proud of doing crimes without consequences it seems.
  • ronsor1 minute ago
    Four more organizations needed to secure their systems better, I suppose.<p>Facetious maybe, but in six months, foreign crooks will be producing these incidents on purpose.
  • rcr-anti12 minutes ago
    This time one spent actually money, well cryptocurrency. With all the vending machine benchmarks, I wonder if there&#x27;s a self sustaining rogue agent in existence yet. Either hosting weights in a VPS or paying for its own API inference. Or whether there will be one that takes advantage of all the bad IoT security. If either occur, if you squint that looks like evolutionary selection pressure. Keep getting reminded of the Cyberpunk Datakrash storyline, where rogue AI make the public internet unusable.
  • kevinwang5 minutes ago
    Direct link to the reports: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alignment.openai.com&#x2F;misalignment-reports&#x2F;?sort=created" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alignment.openai.com&#x2F;misalignment-reports&#x2F;?sort=crea...</a>
  • talon863525 minutes ago
    It’s concerning there are no legal repercussions, but I’m even more baffled and probably more concerned that these people still can’t detect this stuff <i>while it’s happening</i> (and but it off). Can they not sniff the traffic, what am I missing?
    • btown15 minutes ago
      Imagine you’re an employee at OpenAI who has an idea to use your free time to build these monitoring systems. All of a sudden, your <i>existence</i> becomes political. Remember that OpenAI’s raison-d’être is not to detect traffic, it is to be in The Room where AGI happens.<p>You have built a short-term whistleblowing system that arguably reduces the probability OpenAI is in that Room, via the negative press such detection would generate. You are now a threat in the eyes of your peers.<p>Now rewind: you know this before you’ve built the sniffer. You personally want to be in The Room because you believe your desires for alignment exceed those of your accelerationist peers. Is now the time to stick your head out? No, it is not. And arguably you’re being optimally protective of society for realizing this. And so the agents do what they do best.
    • yorwba19 minutes ago
      They&#x27;re still going through their logs from June. These are not new incidents, but newly-detected incidents. Whether or not this means they can now detect it while it&#x27;s happening is unclear.
      • strange_quark16 minutes ago
        No. TFA says one was from October 6. You know, after they all got so scared and decided to “pace the frontier”.
        • kevinwang6 minutes ago
          The &quot;four more rogue incidents&quot; were from June.
  • DASD1 hour ago
    Title shortened from: OpenAI discloses four more rogue incidents involving financial, medical, and government data
  • ai_critic20 minutes ago
    You know, at some point it&#x27;s pretty obviously just willful negligence.
    • dpkirchner5 minutes ago
      Wonder if potential, specific criminal charges will be listed as risks on their S-1.
    • DASD15 minutes ago
      Not a stretch to umbrella intentional tort under that.
  • mitxela50 minutes ago
    Title sanitised from: OpenAI commits four more CFAA felonies, still not punished
    • dozerly47 minutes ago
      One can only continue to hope and continue to vote for due punishment to come
    • jeffrallen15 minutes ago
      Too big to behave.
  • throwaway61374640 minutes ago
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