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  • arjie1 minute ago
    &gt; <i>Much as one cannot unhear a movie spoiler or a crossword clue, one cannot explore a problem as profitably and richly once one is aware of an existing solution</i><p>Certainly, it’s like being made aware of cheat codes to video games: One doesn’t enjoy the game as much after but surely knowing something is true means you can find many other things that come from the pathway to it now that you know it’s true. Lots of science and tech is like this where someone shows something is doable and then people find better ways to do it but until that person showed it was doable there was no progress.<p>&gt; <i>I am horrified by the many person-years” of research, particularly by young mathematicians, “being casually disrupted or destroyed,” he wrote.</i><p>That’s what technology does. And he might be upset but we’re the ones paying for it and frankly, I’m happier to have more questions answered than for fewer answered but in an artisanal fashion.<p>Most notable is the fact that the released facts are like “treated waste”. But if the question was worth answering and the value is only in a good answer and not simply a correct answer, then the value has simply not been realized.<p>But that feels strange then that the value is in the good answer, not just a right answer and yet one finds oneself unable to go get the good answer because a correct answer exists.<p>The fact that any answers are made public at all is useful to us all. That’s free knowledge. Would it have been better if OpenAI had discovered this very achievable fact and not said anything? Surely the papers, post discovery would have spoken of the “hoarding” of such “essential human knowledge”.<p>Overall, I find the thing unconvincing wholly.
  • throwyawayyyy3 minutes ago
    Has OpenAI shared any new interesting _problems_? I.e. do more than strip-mine mathematics, as said in the article, but said: &quot;Here is a question I cannot answer, it&#x27;s interesting for this and that reason, I believe it&#x27;s true for this and that reason, it&#x27;s beyond me though, have at it.&quot; Has that happened yet?
  • bagacrap31 minutes ago
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  • typedef_struct12 minutes ago
    TLDR: &quot;I didn&#x27;t understand this proof and there is no one to explain it to me&quot;
    • ademup5 minutes ago
      The TLDR seems perhaps tongue-in-cheek, but it&#x27;s a worthy thought: the situation where our best experts find new science to be inscrutable is close at hand, if not here now.<p>Humans have been guilty of burying things we don&#x27;t understand for millenia. Will we continue to do so &quot;because AI&quot;?
  • zer00eyz29 minutes ago
    &gt; They “used math for what they needed, which was to evaluate their models,”<p>OAI first paper on the prize was a pretty shitty thing to do. But the rest of this looks like they are just mining the corpus and taking a brute force approach to do it.<p>Im going to say this again, the &quot;pure math&quot; academic types need to get a grip. Plenty of your peers got PHD&#x27;s and happily made a fortune in finance, while screwing the world (See 2008 housing bubble) and none of you said a peep about that.
    • spiderfarmer2 minutes ago
      Plenty of welders made weaponry that killed babies and none of the famous DIY Youtubers spoke out against that either.
  • ViktorRay31 minutes ago
    I find it interesting that, several years ago when discussing AI, folks used to focus on how automation would first come for blue collar work. Things like driving being automated and truck drivers replaced. And then eventually on the horizon we would see things like this.<p>But we still have no self driving cars. Seems like the automation came by in the opposite direction. Perhaps driving will actually be the final thing automated.
    • skybrian2 minutes ago
      It seems fairer to say that the Waymo fleet has &gt;4,000 driverless cars [1]. There is still a long way to go, but it&#x27;s rising.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pages.skybrian.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;waymo-robotaxi-fleet&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pages.skybrian.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;waymo-robotaxi-fleet&#x2F;</a>
    • JLO6427 minutes ago
      &gt; But we still have no self driving cars<p>While I agree with your statement overall, as someone who drives everyday in LA alongside Waymos without anyone inside of them I must disagree with this aspect of it.
      • SchemaLoad5 minutes ago
        We still have no general self driving cars. What we have is a bunch of geofenced tests. While we are closer than ever, we are still seemingly a long way away from truck drivers being obsolete was foretold over 10 years ago now.
        • reilly30001 minute ago
          “General” would mean winter driving and I’m not aware of any large-scale tests of things like icy conditions on hills.
    • mattnewton22 minutes ago
      An LLM automating web developers with 99% success rate saves the company millions of dollars and allows them to launch products and features faster.<p>A truck or a car that has a 99% success rate would be the top threat to society and quickly rise to the leading cause of death under 30 if widely deployed.
    • layer86 minutes ago
      The physical world is still more difficult and messy than discrete logic (theorems, software).
    • fliglr14 minutes ago
      Driving is heavily regulated, and there are a million interest groups lining up to sue to stop self-driving. Imagine all the people who make their money from car crashes, for example.
    • dyauspitr4 minutes ago
      &gt; But we still have no self driving cars.<p>Do you live under a rock?
      • avazhi1 minute ago
        Uh, they aren’t trustworthy and they aren’t fully autonomous. So no, we indeed do not.
    • bluefirebrand25 minutes ago
      Driving is actually regulated.<p>Something I&#x27;m noticing a lot is that automation finds easy footholds in unregulated industries because there&#x27;s no basis to push back on it. And there&#x27;s a lot more tolerance for poor quality work in unregulated industries too.
    • BurningFrog17 minutes ago
      I have a self driving Tesla, as do many others.
    • za_creature14 minutes ago
      Broadly speaking, this is proof that there will be no jobs coming after AI.<p>All past inventions have put some of the most miserable humans out of a job. Farming by hand is hard, so is copying books and don&#x27;t even get me started on the dullness of making clothes by hand.<p>Driving all day isn&#x27;t all that far off, though still much better than the above and definitely better than riding horses all day.<p>Telegraph operators? Hell no. Dude sitting in an elevator all day? No thanks.<p>It&#x27;s always been from the other end. This time around, there&#x27;s gonna be some 10-20 years of robot manufacturing, then a universal lifetime of robots fighting misaligned robots until enough paperclips have been manufactured.<p>Or you know, we block out the sun and live in caves or whatever you fancy.