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  • fra2 hours ago
    For all intents and purposes Character.ai was acquired in August 2024, and this is just the mess leftover from their run around antitrust regulation.<p>The company filing for chapter 11 today is shell that was left after Google &quot;hi-quired&quot; (the opposite of acqui-hired) the founding team. The shareholders got paid ($2.7B from Google), the founding team moved on, and what&#x27;s left is the corporate structure and whoever Google did not want.<p>It sucks for the people left over (but then again, it also sucks to be part of the team that&#x27;s laid off in a merger). It&#x27;s also a terrible practice that I hope the Justice department and the CFTC will put an end to soon.
    • OkayPhysicist12 minutes ago
      Any such ban would be in direct conflict with California law (where I assume Character.ai, as a company founded by Xooglers living in Palo Alto is based), under the same logic that forbids non-competes. California has created one of the most prosperous countries in the world under a framework where you actually have to entice your employees not to leave, rather than shackling them to their workstations, and I would be extremely opposed to any attempt to change that.
      • singron6 minutes ago
        I don&#x27;t think this is necessarily true. This wasn&#x27;t purely hiring. They also licensed the technology and paid off the shareholders, which is why it&#x27;s basically an acquisition in everything but name.
    • Eridrus1 hour ago
      &gt; It sucks for the people left over<p>Not clear that this is true financially. Of course, it sucks to be at a sinking ship, but in most of these the people left behind are compensated as both employees and shareholders.
      • echelon47 minutes ago
        &gt; compensated as [...] shareholders.<p>Don&#x27;t all shares &#x2F; options go to zero in Chapter 11, or is that only true in Chapter 7 when the lenders take over?<p>In any case, I&#x27;m not sure Character.ai&#x27;s assets will be worth much or that the employees will have any sort of liquidation preference.
    • ericyd1 hour ago
      Isn&#x27;t the opposite of acqui-hired just... not acquired nor hired?
      • DoctorOW1 hour ago
        I think they mean rather than acqui-hire, acquiring in order to hire the team. They hired the team they wanted individually to specifically avoid acquiring this company.
        • nkrisc1 minute ago
          Ah, so they hired them.
        • 16bitvoid1 hour ago
          So...poached, maybe?
          • limagnolia58 minutes ago
            Poaching is when one illegally hunts wildlife. People are not animals, and hiring them is not harming them. It is a terrible term to apply to human beings.
            • greggsy41 minutes ago
              Most people know what poaching means without making that association. It’s a perfectly legitimate term across all forms of employment, in both negative and positive contexts.<p>Do we also need to retire ‘head hunting’, because it brings to mind cartoonishly outdated notions of savagery?
            • phoghed50 minutes ago
              Might be too late to start gatekeeping this term<p>---<p>poach (verb) <i>poached; poaching; poaches</i><p><i>Intransitive verb</i><p>1. To encroach upon, especially for the purpose of taking something.<p>2. To trespass for the purpose of stealing game; also, to take game or fish illegally.<p><i>Transitive verb</i><p>1. To trespass on.<p>2. a. To take (game or fish) by illegal methods.<p><pre><code> b. To appropriate (something) as one&#x27;s own. c. To attract (someone, such as an employee or customer) away from a competitor.</code></pre>
            • arcanemachiner49 minutes ago
              Actually, it&#x27;s a technique used to make eggs, and I understand that the eggs are perfectly fine with this usage of the term.
              • stickfigure7 minutes ago
                But is silence really consent?
              • phoghed44 minutes ago
                Do we know for a fact that Google isn&#x27;t cooking these employees in simmering liquid?
            • godshatter36 minutes ago
              People are, in fact, animals.
            • airstrike56 minutes ago
              Words can have more than one meaning.
      • beshur50 minutes ago
        I think the original meaning of hi-quired was hijacked-acquired, in the sense that the company was acquihired, all the critical talent transitioned to a more important G project and that&#x27;s it.
        • malfist43 minutes ago
          So hi-quired means acquihired? Except its also the opposite of acquihired? This makes no sense to me.
          • chirau29 minutes ago
            it&#x27;s people just trying to be smart here. You are either acquired (bought for mostly the product, whoever wants to leave is inconsequential), or acquihired (bought also to absorb the talent pool, so it is contingent on some personnel staying on).<p>All this other stuff people are trying to make up falls under those two when a company buys another.
    • edoceo1 hour ago
      American DOJ and CFTC won&#x27;t do anything about these kinds of situations.
    • throwawayy67671 hour ago
      &gt;It&#x27;s also a terrible practice that I hope the Justice department and the CFTC will put an end to soon.<p>Laws aren&#x27;t real till 2029, at least
      • tourmalinetaco1 hour ago
        Funny for you to assume that will change things in this regard, when historically that’s never been the case to any large degree.
        • throwawayy676723 minutes ago
          I did say &#x27;at least&#x27;
        • aprilthird20219 minutes ago
          They did change when Biden came into office and they started actually doing antitrust.
    • Filligree1 hour ago
      &gt; It&#x27;s also a terrible practice that I hope the Justice department and the CFTC will put an end to soon.<p>How is hiring people &quot;terrible practice&quot;?
  • mentalgear2 hours ago
    character.ai - the tobacco company AI equivalent - who&#x27;s business model it was to lull users in with highly-unstable AI &#x27;friends&#x27;, which was a bad idea from the start as most normal thinking people would assume, yet predatory VCs funded that shitshow and that far too long, and many scandals and even suicides followed from it that could have been avoided. Companies and their executives must be held personally accountable for knowingly detrimental effects on society and their users - that&#x27;s the only way regulation for the benefit of users actually works.<p>It&#x27;s a real disgrace that companies like Google and Disney acquired people from them - it displays those companies&#x27; true values and motives: profit at any fckin human prize.
    • tourmalinetaco18 minutes ago
      These are thin wrappers over LLMs (specifically, C.AI’s proprietary models). Claiming they are equivalent to tobacco companies fails to understand and in fact minimizes the reality here. If you truly cared about child suicide and weren&#x27;t just playing up an emotional role, you’d seek to learn how these situations came about.<p>LLMs are “yes men,&quot; and they will on average agree with you with enough arguing. Go chat with one about a fight you had or even make one up and watch as it soothes and supports you. In fact, I put my finished argument into an LLM and opened two different chats and spoke to it in both of our perspectives, and depending on who was prompting it, it claimed the prompter was “right”.<p>Now, with that in mind, consider the situation: a youth already feels depressed; they talk to the chatbot and, after enough talking, the chatbot is agreeing with them because that is the “probable” mix of tokens. This is platform-agnostic, because it is a fundamental aspect of LLMs. So any value judgment you apply to C.AI specifically must be forwarded to every company, because I have seen, heard, and even made custom roleplay cards with every vendor.<p>Suicides are unfortunate, but even if the LLMs had a role to play, there’s like what, one confirmed case for C.AI’s entire user base? Even if we assume that was only the “known” cases and assume that there are actually closer to 3000 out of their +30 million user base, then that’s basically the chance of being struck by lightning and is below the standard rate of suicide per the CDC.<p>There simply is not strong evidence that LLMs are likely to increase suicides, and while they can be a vector for those with underlying issues, so can anything else. People have committed suicide over cartoons, radio shows, books, TikTok trends, and losing game consoles, and certainly not to mention social media.<p>In short, the advent of LLM chatbots is not strongly correlated to an increased suicide risk, and instead it was an unfortunate situation sensationalized for the eyes of the public by the media. If you wish to push your outrage at anyone, do it at the people who profited off of the suicide and not the company that was picked apart in the process.
    • huijzer1 hour ago
      Disney. You mean the company that hid an image of topless woman in The Rescuers (1977) movie and from which many child stars have gone off the rails in later life, main actor kissing a 11 old in Blank Check (1994), and the 2026 lawsuit by Raquel Lee Bolleau among other scandals that anyone as a parent would hope not to be there
      • latexr1 hour ago
        &gt; the company that hid an image of topless woman in The Rescuers (1977) movie<p>Disney is guilty of a lot of crap—everything else that you mentioned and much more—but that specific instance wasn’t their fault and they acted to correct it once they knew.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;fact-check&#x2F;the-rescuers-topless&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;fact-check&#x2F;the-rescuers-topless&#x2F;</a><p>Again, I’m not here to defend Disney, they definitely are rotten, but we can point that out by listing all the things they definitely did badly and on purpose rather than leaning on dubious situations which weaken the argument.
      • RIMR1 hour ago
        The very same Disney that hired Brian Peck to work on The Suite Life of Zack &amp; Cody immediately upon his release from prison after serving 16 months for sexually abusing Drake Bell while working on Drake &amp; Josh at Nickelodeon.
  • andsoitis3 hours ago
    <i>”Character.ai’s CEO Karandeep Anand is joining Disney in a newly created role as Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer. Karan expects to be joined by members of Character’s technical team to build on Disney’s impressive technology capabilities to help connect fans worldwide with its beloved stories and characters in new and innovative ways.”</i><p>— <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.character.ai&#x2F;the-next-chapter-of-entertainment-and-fandom&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.character.ai&#x2F;the-next-chapter-of-entertainment-...</a>
    • martianvoid2 hours ago
      These people are playing on a completely different league
      • IncreasePosts1 hour ago
        At least Anand has been in the business for like 30 years. I didn&#x27;t know anything about him but I assumed he was a 25 year old from Stanford that VCs decided to shower money on
    • dawnerd1 hour ago
      The part that’s insane to me is his company ripped off Disney IP then Disney hires him saying how much he loves and respects Disney.
    • mmo932 hours ago
      Sets up the most vile company preying on lonely people, runs it into the ground - then gets hired to do the exact same thing for a bigger company. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it
      • sebzim45001 hour ago
        He didn&#x27;t really run it into the ground, this whole bankruptcy thing is just smoke and mirrors to cover the fact that Google basically acquired them ages ago
      • fooqux1 hour ago
        I can&#x27;t even imagine what George would say today. I know things weren&#x27;t great in the 80s, but this seems to be a whole new level of stupid.
    • rektomatic2 hours ago
      I&#x27;m imagining the horrors of character bots themed and named after popular disney characters at the expense of our youth. Dystopian stuff
  • drewbitt8 hours ago
    2 years in, the founders and 30 researchers took Google&#x27;s $2.7b and left. Then they had to ban kids which was probably most of their userbase. Yet they were still putting $1m&#x2F;mo on the corporate cards with 86 full time bay area employees on ~$278k average base, and almost $100k owed to DoorDash. lol
    • renegade-otter6 hours ago
      Sometimes watching the fresh-faced punks make bank while I slave away at a &quot;regular&quot; company for average pay is just demoralizing. It&#x27;s really about being at the right place, time, and near the right people, isn&#x27;t it.
      • swiftcoder1 hour ago
        &gt; It&#x27;s really about being at the right place, time, and near the right people, isn&#x27;t it<p>It&#x27;s also about having the right moral flexibility. To be in this particular club, you have to hang out with some people that a bunch of us would really rather not be associated with...
      • pmarreck3 hours ago
        They were clearly in it for the investor perks and not the product, spending away like that.<p>If you want an unsustainable joyride, then you too can work for a startup headed for chapter 11 (like 8 out of 10 startups).<p>Also, knowing people in general has never not been valuable. It&#x27;s arguably the main thing holding most engineers back from success. Plenty of evidence backs this up: Type fewer keys, press more palms.
        • renegade-otter2 hours ago
          A lot of that depends on how you do with the birth lottery. The path from Westchester to Stanford is a little easier than from a homeless shelter (that was MY life).
      • TrackerFF2 hours ago
        The people making bank are those creating these startups.<p>Their startups get acquired, or they get acqui-hired because of the founders and core people, who in turn have some pedigree which send strong signals.<p>If you look at the pattern, it is roughly:<p>- Top ML&#x2F;AI researchers from the past 10-15 years - Top ML&#x2F;AI engineers from top labs or companies<p>Those above people were hired by FAANG companies or AI startups.<p>But most important of all, it isn&#x27;t a overnight success. Many of these have been going at it for 10+ years now. Of course some are relatively young, as in having joined Anthropic or OpenAI more recently (past few years), and launching their own startup after 2022.
      • LogicFailsMe2 hours ago
        Yes, yes, yes...<p>This is the way tech has always been. Or as Carlin said &quot;It&#x27;s a big club... And you ain&#x27;t in it.&quot;<p>Occasionally, you can ride their coattails (there will always be rising tides), but if you don&#x27;t have the right connections and the right degrees from the right universities, you&#x27;re not invited to the box seat TLA titles of these things...<p>The odds are much better than state lotteries, and the payout is higher than the stock market, but most of us still need to do our own financial planning instead of socializing the risks of the founder class as they privatize the gains. And yet, each day I get these ludicrous emails from a16z about which startups started by which all star founders want to hire me for less than I make from passive revenue these days for bread crumbs of equity.<p>But the thing here is, who needs character.ai in an age of local models and cheap tokens from OpenAI and Anthropic (unless you&#x27;re very naughty and not shaming, just noting)? High margin role play disrupted by cheap open weight models: how very Clayton Christensen.
      • logicchains3 hours ago
        Joining or starting a startup is a risk, many fail and leave the founders and early joiners with nothing. No risk, no reward.
        • jubilanti3 hours ago
          Nothing except the $278k average base salary, while living luxuriously at work and probably home too on the startup&#x27;s expense card, as the $100k door dash bill shows. I bet there were a ton of fancy off sites in Hawaii or wherever.<p>Meanwhile at $bigco I just got my request to buy a shitty $1k Dell laptop denied because I got one 2 years ago and I have to wait 1 more.
          • hirako20002 hours ago
            I remember the laptop renewal also was 3 years. Which would have been fine if they didn&#x27;t have that policy to issue Dell Latitude, end of the barrel hardware Dell itself couldn&#x27;t sell.<p>One day I figured nobody forces me to work for such company.
      • inSumErgoCogito3 hours ago
        Its all about hacking companies and VCs - instead of hacking hard problems. Astra- give me the API of my society.. what do you mean Bearer Token..
      • deadbabe2 hours ago
        You also have to be a total scumbag.
        • kstrauser2 hours ago
          Bullshit. I met a lot of my favorite people in the world working in startups, people I want to stay in contact with for life because they’re good and I enjoy being around them.<p>There are bad and good people everywhere. I’ve seen new fewer good people at small companies than large or non-tech ones.
        • pelagicAustral2 hours ago
          I&#x27;d argue that most people would easily pivot to &quot;total scumbag&quot; for 250k+ salary. Me included.
          • swiftcoder1 hour ago
            The thing is, if you were already in the crowd that gets offers to work at this sort of startup, you could be drawing the same 250k+ to work a normal 9-5 at a FAANG-adjacent<p>Signing on to a hookers-and-blow startup is a choice a lot of these folks made, not their only route to money
            • kstrauser58 minutes ago
              Correction: FAANG salaries are almost always better. You get a lot more equity with startups. It’s a gamble. You’re betting a short term paycut on the company’s success.<p>But the main reason I’d generally work at startups anyway is because it’s more fun. When something needs to be done, you can’t contact the department that does the thing. You <i>are</i> that department; go figure it out!<p>And yes, that’s also a lot more pressure, but I wouldn’t trade it for a 9-5 desk job. (Other people absolutely would, and do. I never criticize their decision making. That’s what’s right for them. It’s just not what’s right for me.)
              • swiftcoder46 minutes ago
                &gt; You get a lot more equity with startups. It’s a gamble. You’re betting a short term paycut on the company’s success.<p>Well, one used to get more equity. And maybe the first couple of people through the door still get more equity.<p>If you are engineer #5 or later at a startup today, I&#x27;m willing to bet the 5-year upside on a FAANG comp package is on par or higher with a decent startup exit...
    • judetechdevs6 hours ago
      $100k in DoorDash is a lifestyle
    • 1sh1726451 hour ago
      The food industry should demand cash up front from the Silicon Valley grifters.
  • herbst54 minutes ago
    All the drama in here just because it&#x27;s a gooning and role play toy.<p>From what I can tell it was a popular tool with many users, one of the more popular ones among MANY. There are thousands of users using tools like this. Nothing inherently bad about that.<p>Nothing wrong with some AI gooning IMO
    • MisterMunchkin17 minutes ago
      Yeah I find it really creepy how obsessed people like altman are at preventing users from having any sort of adult conversation. It&#x27;s like living under shariah law.<p>Why does it matter if people want the chatbot to write sex stories? Who does that harm? It&#x27;s not immoral or illegal. These same people are fine with going to the island, but ask a chatbot about sex and they&#x27;ll hang you in the square.
    • nemomarx24 minutes ago
      It seems like a bad way to get ai psychosis from personifying a LLM too hard. Keep your roleplay organic and find some friendly partners maybe
  • bdcravens1 hour ago
    Not familiar with the company. Home page says nothing other than a tag line and a signup to continue. About page does add very little. Their blog provides a little bit of insight, but honestly, I have no clue what they sell or what the value prop is.<p>Maybe I&#x27;m the clueless one, at it seems others are quite familiar with their story.
    • microsoftedging28 minutes ago
      Anthropomorphized AI character creation, in one line. Rather icky in my opinion; has led to suicides[0].<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eu.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;life&#x2F;health-wellness&#x2F;2025&#x2F;10&#x2F;20&#x2F;character-ai-chatbot-relationships-teenagers&#x2F;86745562007&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eu.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;life&#x2F;health-wellness&#x2F;2025&#x2F;10&#x2F;2...</a>
    • enopod_26 minutes ago
      Same for me, didn‘t know the company and the website says absolutely nothing about what they do. Wikipedia helped me; it‘s an AI chat bot service where you can interact with customizable characters.
    • lovich18 minutes ago
      Check their Reddit. Their userbase is rabid and has a casual relationship with reality. I checked a few random posts and there were people talking about how their life was over or how character.ai was the only thing that worked for therapy.<p>Honestly I’d be glad if this type of product disappeared, it’s just predatory on people primed for ai psychosis
  • 1vuio0pswjnm731 minutes ago
    50067507 Character.ai files for bankruptcy, agrees to sell some assets for $20M <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;litigation&#x2F;characterai-files-bankruptcy-agrees-sell-some-assets-disney-20-million-2026-10-13&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;litigation&#x2F;characterai-files-b...</a><p>50069942 Character.ai Files for Bankruptcy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;ai-artificial-intelligence&#x2F;1009802&#x2F;character-ai-files-for-bankruptcy-disney" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;ai-artificial-intelligence&#x2F;1009802&#x2F;...</a><p>50071087 Disney Bids on Character.ai Assets as Chatbot Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;variety.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;biz&#x2F;news&#x2F;disney-bids-on-character-ai-assets-chapter-11-bankruptcy-1236909984&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;variety.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;biz&#x2F;news&#x2F;disney-bids-on-character-a...</a>
  • mv41 hour ago
    The careers page is still up and and sounds like a great place to work - build the future, create with purpose, collaborate with the best [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;character.ai&#x2F;careers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;character.ai&#x2F;careers</a>
    • __natty__1 hour ago
      Either didnt remove yet or ghost jobs like many others nowadays.
    • xueyu2 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • agile-gift02621 hour ago
    If this means their awful &quot;service&quot;, which has caused so much harm, ends up closing down, the world will be a little bit better
  • sarkarghya5 hours ago
    i dont know why this isn&#x27;t getting much attention. Isn&#x27;t this the fate of most ai chat services?
    • Aboutplants3 hours ago
      Outside of being acquired, this is the exit
  • etrvic2 hours ago
    Related: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50069942">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=50069942</a>
  • oefrha1 hour ago
    &gt; What happens to user data and chats?<p>&gt; Your information continues to be protected under our Privacy Policy, and our data privacy and security practices are unchanged.<p><i>Opens Privacy Policy</i><p>&gt; 2. How We Use the Information We Collect<p>&gt; <i>…wall of text covering every use under the sun…</i><p>&gt; 3. When We Disclose the Information We Collect<p>&gt; <i>…wall of text covering effectively anyone and any time…</i><p>Translation: yeah you agreed that your data can be sold, and it will be sold.
  • vira281 hour ago
    Amongst all the professionals that I have worked in my 15 years, VCs are the least ethical people. They will do “anything” for money.
  • kazinator1 hour ago
    &quot;maximize value&quot; is the new &quot;minimize loss&quot;!
  • deaton1 hour ago
    And so it begins.