9 comments

  • da_chicken23 minutes ago
    This strikes me as an attempt to renege on employment agreements to allow WFH. I&#x27;d bet it&#x27;s either to do soft layoffs, or get people back in the office to justify real estate.<p>She&#x27;s got annual positive reviews 8 years running, and has been with the company for over a decade.<p>The question that really cuts to the chase is: Why does it require a photograph of the employee&#x27;s face every 3 minutes in order to determine if they&#x27;re completing their work? Why does that make any sense at all? What exactly is the employee doing that there are <i>no metrics at all</i>. There&#x27;s nobody monitoring work loads or task completion? Nobody is checking for accuracy? There are no clients or customers or community members complaining about poor service? How were they able to determine positive reviews for almost a decade before? Why is your management so incompetent, and why is the price of that incompetence your employee&#x27;s privacy?
    • whstl2 minutes ago
      <i>&gt; What exactly is the employee doing that there are no metrics at all</i><p>Something that needs managers to actually go and check.<p>It&#x27;s not that they trust the employee to work with zero supervision, it&#x27;s just that most managers and execs don&#x27;t want to work.<p>The webcam checks are pure projection.
    • ebbi12 minutes ago
      It feels like the Covid lockdown WFH times where managers mandated everyone has their webcams on. Having been in some of these management conversations, it was purely to ensure no one is just chilling on their bed.<p>Pretty dumb, as at that time not everyone was had a home office set up, and one can work from their bed perfectly fine, especially when someone wants to put their feet up for a bit during a team meeting.
  • firefoxd30 minutes ago
    Once I had an issue where I had to request access to a 3rd party vendor URL from my work machine. IT was telling me that I already had access, and that I had accessed the URL several times. Weird, because I was getting a dns resolve error. To prove that he wasn&#x27;t making it up, the IT guy shared his screen with me.<p>Ever since I saw his screen and the level of details in my activity log on the work machine, I don&#x27;t even access example.com on their device anymore.<p>I&#x27;m sure this workers already has invasive tracking software on her work machines. Now the company was just trying to fire her without it counting as a layoff.
    • flowerlad21 minutes ago
      &gt; <i>Ever since I saw his screen and the level of details in my activity log on the work machine</i><p>Is that using Zscaler? What level of detail did it have?
      • firefoxd15 minutes ago
        Yes, we use zscaler. It even included the list of AI prompts I&#x27;ve written and in-app activities.
        • flowerlad1 minute ago
          If you&#x27;re working remotely, the solution is to have a personal laptop next to your work laptop, and use the personal laptop for AI, email, apps etc., even if it is for work (unless you are using a service that costs money). Your employer should be fine with this arrangement because all they care about is that their data is not exfiltrated.
    • MiroslavPokorny28 minutes ago
      You should never use a work computer for anything personal from banking to even reading wikipedia. Its just dumb.
      • teaearlgraycold19 minutes ago
        Good advice. But most work computers I’ve used were handed to me fresh from the Apple Store and they requested I wipe them before returning at the end of my employment. Not everyone works in places with an IT department, device management systems, etc.
        • dantillberg4 minutes ago
          While parent may have indeed been provided an ordinary stock Apple device, Apple&#x27;s &quot;Automated Device Enrollment&quot; program can be used to administer&#x2F;manage devices even when shipped directly from Apple to employees. I got a laptop replaced at a former company, shipped directly from Apple to me. I expected to have to reach out to IT to get it bootstrapped with their management tools, but the OS install process did this automatically.
  • jacquesm35 minutes ago
    That is an insanely bad look for that employer. This kind of invasive employee monitoring is treating people like property rather than as human beings. The problem is that the power dynamic between employers and employees in many countries is such that they can make the most outrageous demands and people will have to comply because there is always another person ready to step into their shoes.
    • giantg229 minutes ago
      &quot;This kind of invasive employee monitoring is treating people like property rather than as human beings.&quot;<p>Exposing employment for what it is.
    • quantified20 minutes ago
      For that employer, it&#x27;s going to be normal, and employees won&#x27;t be looking. In the USA, managment dictates all terms of employment, take it or leave it.
  • thomasjeff110 minutes ago
    Bring it on, as a programmer im savvy enough to fight it by blocking their IP addresses.
    • BigTTYGothGF8 minutes ago
      Not savvy enough to realize that&#x27;s also gonna get you fired.
  • wg012 minutes ago
    This should be illegal by law. Judge the performance by the outcome.
  • macintux34 minutes ago
    I wonder how many employer-provided laptops are secretly recording video or audio for WFH staff. You can tape over a webcam, but what do you do about a microphone you don&#x27;t trust?
    • jacquesm17 minutes ago
      The problem with microphones is that unlike cameras they are absolutely impossible to detect. And then there are all these devices that look and act like another thing but they&#x27;re <i>also</i> microphones. Microphony is so pervasive that it is harder to make something that does not record soundwaves than it is to make something that does.
    • mcsniff12 minutes ago
      Shut your work devices off at the end of the work day.<p>Your work-specific WiFi network can also be shut off at the same time.<p>Devices go in a sleeve or drawer in your desk, which is usually in a separate room.<p>You can also close the door.<p>If you need more work and personal life separation than this, you might need a new job.
    • tamimio4 minutes ago
      It’s why I used to wipe out the whole OS and install linux plus the bootloader too, and justify it with my own set of toolset and custom settings for my work.
    • tough17 minutes ago
      white noise?
  • j454 minutes ago
    There’s a possibility that enough people ruin this for all the people doing it honestly. If it’s the case, there’s probably no fault of the employee.<p>It can be hard to remember, but companies are usually giving money in exchange for a time that they measure by outcomes and results and feeling that, they might wonder what’s going on.
  • tamimio6 minutes ago
    Just few hours ago I commented about how some companies pretend to have remote work while they technically are not, and personally, I remember a couple years ago one company was demanding (in the contract) to have a continuous non interrupted camera access for at least six hours a day, and that was before AI tools so I imagine this company is far worse and I feel sorry for whoever is working there now, I obviously rejected it and they got even more offended how dare I reject it! Crazy stuff
  • variety867531 minutes ago
    Friendly reminder that Macbooks hardware disable the internal microphone if the lid is shut. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;guide&#x2F;security&#x2F;hardware-microphone-disconnect-secbbd20b00b&#x2F;web" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;guide&#x2F;security&#x2F;hardware-microphone...</a>