19 comments

  • Catloafdev57 minutes ago
    &gt; I used Grok Bot and gave it all my financial details and connected it to my work Slack and regret it<p>This is not the kind of story I would want to publicize if I were a CEO.
    • hoppp36 minutes ago
      Sounds like the problem was the human, not the LLM.<p>Whatever data goes in, it will output it in some way. Humans gotta understand that.
      • tempest_21 minutes ago
        Sort of, and in this case definitely.<p>&quot;Agents&quot; can be very &quot;persistent&quot; and when not sand boxed appropriately can get at things they were not meant to get at. Even if its only 1&#x2F;1,000,000 that one time that one time is going to keep making the news<p>Explaining that to the general public when facebook is pushing Muse on everyone will be difficult so its going to get worse before it gets better (if it gets better)
        • logifail13 minutes ago
          &gt; &quot;Agents&quot; can be very &quot;persistent&quot; [...]<p>I&#x27;ve had that within the last few days.<p>I happened to be vaguely watching an agent at work on a longer task and spotted it attempt to find a way around not having access to a local service that would greatly help it achieve the task, I immediately chimed in with a &quot;STOP! if you need access to X then just ask!&quot;.<p>I suppose my prompting could be improved :&#x2F;
          • watwut4 minutes ago
            Not so much prompting as network restrictions.
      • grey-area18 minutes ago
        Or perhaps the problem was that AI companies have sold LLMs as intelligent agents, and not word generators?<p>Humans will continue to mistake these &#x27;agents&#x27; for agents with agency and understanding because of the way they are sold and described.
      • runarberg9 minutes ago
        Foot guns are not fit to market and under any sensible consumer regulatory framework are recalled and banned until proven safe.<p>AI products are not regulated like every other consumer product. If your bank’s app had a big green “share” button shadowing the “close dialog” which shared your personal info in the same manner, any sensible regulator would like a word with your bank’s IT department. If your teller handed you a paper with a small print saying <i>“by signing you approve this transaction being shared with your boss”</i> likewise regulators would put a stop to it.
    • willmadden9 minutes ago
      The thing most people here don&#x27;t understand: all CEOs are sales people, and only some of them are technical.
  • speakingmoistly1 hour ago
    &quot;I was reckless with AI and created a situation that mishandled financial data&quot; isn&#x27;t the flex this guy think it is.<p>&quot;The things they&#x27;ll be able to do for us are going to be awesome. People will want them, and they are really useful.&quot;<p>Feels like someone has AI stock they need to see go up.
    • jameshart59 minutes ago
      Also somewhat reckless with mixing access to his personal finances with access to his work communications systems.<p>Even without agents being involved that’s a recipe for trouble.
      • Carrok6 minutes ago
        It also seems likely that an employee who used company assets (tokens) for personal use would have been fired rather than writing a blog post about it.
  • BorisMelnik54 minutes ago
    its crazy I spent 30 years scrutinizing directory permissions, users, groups, iam roles...now people just use conversation to hand an AI agents access to their most sensitive data
    • gandreani36 minutes ago
      It&#x27;s easy to be dismissive of this guy&#x27;s hubris. Already have a lot of comments in that regard!<p>I think it perfectly illustrates that even though an agent can give you the abilities, it&#x27;s still up to the driver to make decisions.<p>In this case the CEO could have consulted someone with your expertise. Same ability, but vastly different experience.
  • sherburt39 minutes ago
    So he gave an AI agent read access to all his personal financials and then gave read&#x2F;write access to his company messaging app. WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?
  • orf1 minute ago
    [delayed]
  • zippothrowaway46 minutes ago
    This is a parody, right?<p>Surely no-one that dumb could operate a phone let alone be a &quot;CEO&quot;
    • dragontamer19 minutes ago
      The opposite. CEOs necessarily need to trust others to do things because CEOs themselves don&#x27;t have the ability to do the day to day work of a company.<p>So the first people who&#x27;d be overly trusting of things they don&#x27;t understand would be exactly a CEO.
      • throwawaytea7 minutes ago
        They may even have the ability. But unless you&#x27;re running a very small company, they don&#x27;t have the time to do actual things.
  • Kuyawa36 minutes ago
    Be explicit. That&#x27;s the most important thing you can be when working with AI or else they can take attributions you will regret later on<p>&quot;Let me know any flaws in the project&quot;<p>Where? Where exactly? What email? What chat app? what channel? what restrictions? When not to?<p>Letting AI assume they know will bite you hard in the ass. The same applies to coding apps with agents. If you don&#x27;t set clear boundaries, scope, limits, versions, roadmaps, etc before you embark on any project, you&#x27;ll be doing it after the results you get are not what you expected, there is no escape<p>Detailed planning or damage control, pick your poison
    • an0malous24 minutes ago
      It would be cool if there was a new kind of language we could use where there’s no ambiguity and we could define rules and procedures
      • em-bee17 minutes ago
        you mean like those old programming languages of the days of yore?<p>things were so much easier back then, weren&#x27;t they?<p>i was there, 3000 years ago...
      • bigstrat200318 minutes ago
        Yeah, and you would also want to make it so that you get the same exact result every time, so that once you get the language right, you can be confident in the result. Shame that we never invented anything like that though, it would be super useful.
  • arjie37 minutes ago
    That’s funny. My agent also has access to all transactions and net worth and so on. But it’s through an intermediary program. I guess someone could find out what I have but not much more than that.<p>It’s quite useful since it correlates spend with invoices and double checks things and tells me about spend out of line with the family’s usual behavior.<p>It can probably do all of these things if it wanted to but that’s a matter of the outbox. For world-actions you should outbox things.
  • bhrlady1 hour ago
    From the guy who runs XMTP:<p>&quot;XMTP is the world&#x27;s new private line. Send messages and money securely between people or agents — with no company or country in the middle.&quot;
    • yfontana58 minutes ago
      but a Slack channel, maybe
  • shanemac10 minutes ago
    Alright, I’m here… AMA
  • IncreasePosts9 minutes ago
    Ironically, his company&#x27;s tag line is: XMTP Labs — How do we build things we can trust?
  • 6511 minutes ago
    This is why developers reign supreme even in the age of AI. We&#x27;d find less ridiculous ways to implement something like this. Technical skills are still extremely inportant.
  • morkalork18 minutes ago
    The C in CEO here stands for Clown
  • amelius1 hour ago
    &quot;I ignored serious warnings issued by my AI&quot;
  • wartywhoa2341 minutes ago
    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
  • chingadera1 hour ago
    fucking idiot
  • ContinuityLab24 minutes ago
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