6 comments

  • georgeecollins10 minutes ago
    FB has a huge advantage launching any consumer app over any start up. Even ones that have higher valuations. If you think the market position isn't important, imagine what would happen if Apple changes their TOS such that Muse stops working as well on their devices. Or take it off the store because it's "dangerous".
    • young_mete7 minutes ago
      Didn’t help Google, Apple, or Amazon to do the same even though they have market position and pre-existing AI products.
  • TechRemarker17 minutes ago
    "clunkiness of ChatGPT is stark. The whole desktop ChatGPT vs Codex switch is dumb. The chat vs work switch is dumb. ChatGPT projects vs Codex local vs Codex cloud projects is mega dumb. I need to make 10 choices each time I want to start or continue a chat. Just give me one chat that orchestrates all of it in the background." This times a 100x. Every step forward seems 2 steps back. The sidebar is jungle, and trying to find chats is tough, trying to remember if its codex or chat, a local one or remote, and that chat ones can't be put in a codex projects and countless other issues that make it a nightmare. While I can they are working on improving the mess to at least presumably get rid of the Chat vs Work toggle, I haven't heard anything that eventually it will just be one, where we can just toggle how it responds it, vs being limited on it can be organized and searched.
    • young_mete15 minutes ago
      Then Tibo is on X asking things like “If we were to add one more sidebar, what should be in it”
  • egl202039 minutes ago
    The privacy issue blocks me from adopting this or other personal assistants: do I want to give muse my identity data and access to my mail, calendar, and phone so it can do even basic tasks like make appointments or pay bills?<p>It will be interesting to see if muse&#x27;s privacy features can get users over this.
  • satvikpendem1 hour ago
    I don&#x27;t understand Muse, couldn&#x27;t agents already do all this? I have ChatGPT for example and I can have it book tickets and other things for me, it even pulls up a cloud browser if it can&#x27;t access APIs. It can check for details from my email and use those for the ticket. Now OpenAI has Dots too which is a 24&#x2F;7 version of the same thing.
    • nradov40 minutes ago
      Sure, it&#x27;s nothing super unique but the way that Meta has put all the pieces together including security works really well in practice. Muse seems to be the best of the AI personal assistants for regular people right now.
      • hedora16 minutes ago
        Does anyone believe the security works though? This is the company that brought us facebook, pervert glasses, and got sued by its E2EE content monitoring team (which apparently exists!) for emotional trauma because they had to read so much stuff from private WhatsApp messages.
        • nradov8 minutes ago
          I believe that Muse security is about as good as any other large cloud environment. In the long run maybe all of them will eventually be hacked but so far my other Meta accounts have been 100% secure. So I&#x27;ll take my chances with Muse because it saves me time and allows me to get more done.<p>Those other issues, while perhaps examples of bad corporate behavior, aren&#x27;t really security lapses per se.
      • yellow_postit14 minutes ago
        Grok as well seems to have a hit a sweet spot.
    • lanza57 minutes ago
      I don&#x27;t understand C, couldn&#x27;t assembly already do all this?
      • bentcorner8 minutes ago
        And dropbox is just rsync and some UI
      • kelvinjps1039 minutes ago
        But chatgpt is still user friendly or claude I think also do these kinda of things
      • satvikpendem53 minutes ago
        Difference being they&#x27;re already largely similar so the analogy would be between C# and Java.
    • tiffanyh55 minutes ago
      UI&#x2F;UX<p>Many times, UI&#x2F;UX makes all the difference in user adoption &amp; use.
      • satvikpendem53 minutes ago
        But ChatGPT already has the same UI UX.
        • yellow_postit13 minutes ago
          OpenAI does now with Dots but it’s still desktop only so they flubbed the ease of use that has made Muse and Grok such growth engines.
        • tiffanyh47 minutes ago
          It isn’t though.<p>Muse is:<p>- a single thread<p>- has avatars that you can name<p>- has approval cards<p>Now dots is similar in concept but that only launched a few days ago and Muse launched a month ago.
        • young_mete47 minutes ago
          It does not at all. ChatGPT is trying to be an everything app and it’s extremely convoluted by this point and hard for most people to make sense of, especially if you’re not in tech.
    • goatherders53 minutes ago
      Facebook&#x27;s install base is 3x that of cgpt
    • young_mete48 minutes ago
      That’s pretty much the question the article tries to answer! TL;DR - good product design, personality mechanics, and ad-funded tokens is what makes it different.
    • iAMkenough55 minutes ago
      Think of it as a Meta-hosted OpenClaw VM for each Facebook user.<p>Meta is reducing the friction for your parents to run OpenClaw without any assistance.
    • 486sx3357 minutes ago
      It’s the most consistent and user friendly agent with the ability to also be a harness for multiple custom agents. I literally had people running around the office amazed by muse last week. It has brought agents to the masses in a way a lay person can understand and use.
  • prng202156 minutes ago
    “Interestingly, what’s making Muse a success also explains why Google has mostly failed to capture the zeitgeist so far. They have the compute and the ad money to fund something like Muse. But they have no product chops to build something simple and understandable in consumer AI.”<p>Umm what? Having billions of <i>hourly</i> active users across YouTube, Google, Google Maps, and Chrome still doesn’t mean they have the product chops to build another consumer facing app&#x2F;service? I think it’s inevitable that Muse will get crushed.
    • Anon109613 minutes ago
      Google Search and Google Maps are utilities, not consumer apps that vie for leisure time, so I don&#x27;t think they are really comparable. The next frontier for AI apps like Muse and Dots is competing with the social media giants.<p>We should look to see how Shorts vs IG Reels have adapted to the short form video landscape for product chops in this area. IMO IG has adapted far better to the new era, and I very often get people sending me Reels (they used to send TikToks). I very rarely see anyone send Shorts but it still happens. I expect this trend to continue and IG to extend their lead here. And Muse certainly has first mover advantage in personalized AI apps, who knows when Google will finally release one.
    • dezgeg23 minutes ago
      &gt; YouTube, Google, Google Maps, and Chrome<p>You listed products that have been around for ~20 years. Keeping up already entrenched products running doesn&#x27;t correlate with being able to launch new products.
    • young_mete49 minutes ago
      Those are all quite mature products which they have maintained and grew super well. They haven’t had a good track record in consumer AI, there’s no coherent product strategy or offering. They had some localized hits like NotebookLM and nano banana but it hasn’t translated into organic growth and usage for Gemini
    • nradov37 minutes ago
      Google has huge amounts of training data but very little of it is relevant to creating an AI personal assistant with good UX for common tasks. Like Gemini might be really good at answering specific questions or generating synthetic content but that doesn&#x27;t mean it can securely, reliably carry out workflows in a way that feels natural to regular users. At least for now, that part still requires some human vision and product management.
  • iAMkenough3 hours ago
    I like that you can get root access to the VM your instance runs in, connect it to your tailnet, automate connection approvals, and operate a torrent seedbox on Meta’s infra.
    • Forgeties791 hour ago
      Totally theoretical of course
      • iAMkenough41 minutes ago
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    • verdverm1 hour ago
      perhaps its for plausible deniability next time they torrent training data &#x2F;s