This is very similar to a project I'm working on called Sim95 [1]. It has an entire networking stack and visual basic style language. You can host your own websites, chat servers, anything you want, and everything runs over a virtual network (websocket that passes through a relay).<p>It has all the warts of the early internet era: you can program a virus, get people to download it, delete their documents, etc., but it also has a lot of the charm, build a website, chat with strangers, enjoy the lack of facebook (for now until someone builds it).<p>1: <a href="https://sim95.kippy.io/" rel="nofollow">https://sim95.kippy.io/</a>
> enjoy the lack of facebook (for now until someone builds it)<p>lol, well done
I love the concept! It's too damn fast though. I want to see my cursor change to busy when waiting for IO
Reminds me of YouOS. RIP
I am having way too much fun with this. Thanks!
To see sites from back then checkout:<p><a href="https://internethistoryroulette.com/" rel="nofollow">https://internethistoryroulette.com/</a><p>- could be improved whereby the "facts" bubbles change too quickly when turned on.<p>But the idea of placing a random site in an iframe would also work well for Show HN.
Like others mentioned, the intention is great but too much AI.<p>The icons do not even look remotely close to the dial-up computers.<p>When it disconnects, the reconnection sound is not that at all.
Pages load too fast.
Amazing. When we were all living offline by default, and you had to go online. Now sadly it's the opposite.<p>(When did this change? Around 2012?)
I want to say I was online by default earlier, just because I preferred that life to my offline one, but online clearly hadn't become 'real life' yet. Sure, your online life could affect your offline life if you really wanted to make it happen or were just really dumb, but whatever did happen online, it could be brushed off and you could Just™ wash your hands of whatever happened and go and do something else, be that play a different game, browse a different forum, or just log off.<p>Saying that what happens on the internet doesn't actually matter nowadays is clearly untrue given even just the most cursory look at the state of the world today.
> Saying that what happens on the internet doesn't actually matter nowadays is clearly untrue given even just the most cursory look at the state of the world today.<p>I mean, you can still have this: by 1. Not being Chronically Online and 2. Not worrying so much or watching what is going on online.<p>I’ve managed to keep the separation between “online” and “the real world.” Mostly by just not participating or caring about social media. Online only invades Real Life to the extent that you allow it to.<p>There might be someone over on Instagram “canceling” me right now! I have no idea because I don’t even have an account there.
> I mean, you can still have this: by 1. Not being Chronically Online and 2. Not worrying so much or watching what is going on online.<p>It's hard to not attribute the current political climate and all its downwind effects to the online world affecting the real world, and that political climate is affecting me and most people I know, whether I like it or not.<p>I'm happy for you that it's not affecting you.
For me it was ‘02 when I moved to college and got that sweet dorm room internet. Some of my friends had aim via text messaging.<p>2012 is a good date for roaming internet, although for the plans and places I’ve been it’s only been the last 3 or so years that roaming internet has been mostly reliable.
It changed with smartphones being widespread, so more or less yes, 2012
I was so excited to get road runner, which was an isp from I think time warner, rolling out cable modem service in the early 2000s. I ended up taking a day of vacation just to ensure I was going to be home for the installation window.<p>I don’t remember if my computer at the time had built-in Ethernet or if I had to buy a card.<p>I have been always-online ever since. Wouldn’t have it any other way.<p>But I do still miss the BBS scene.
I had the first iPhone and distinctly remember telling people "I have the entire internet in my pocket at all times" and people finding it strange. I said "I never really have to log off Facebook or Digg" and my friends didn't understand what I meant.
Depends what you mean.<p>There's 'offline by default at home' and 'offline by default overall'. And it can blur.<p>At least as far as 'offline by default at home'<p>After (1) my dad retired and bought a brand new fancy PC with some of his unused leave time [0] we wound up getting a dial-up account [1] but sometime around 1998/1999 [2] we wound up just getting a secondary phone line; somehow the 'internet' was so magical to all of us kids or young adults, that it was better for our parent's budget to just pay for the extra phone line.<p>Still, it wasn't even 56K. Phone lines in my area of Detroit were <i>garbage</i>, if it did connect at 56K it was unstable as hell, 28.8 was the 'reliable' connection rate, to the point you prayed that was what it connected at.<p>For 'offline overall' the change can be more blurry, at least in my head. I blame work phones, my PSP's WiFi capabilities, and the HTC Dream (released 2008) as the slow shift for me.<p>FWIW, I did enjoy my time on WinPho, where the siloing of the OS and lack of apps, led to a quieter time where my phone was a 'phone' (and honestly, still a better one at calls, SMS, or driving navigation than than my current one) rather than be tempted by anything online.<p>It's weird to think about. Before I went to college, Online (thanks to that dial-up) was an escape from the prison of my home and where I lived. But now Online feels more like a tug away from enjoying life.<p>[0] - P2 266 MHZ 32MB Ram, 2(? might have been 4) GB HDD...<p>[1] - Thanks Diablo for the WorldNet trial and thanks WorldNet for having the practically unlimited usage thing [4]<p>[2] - My oldest Sister was Driving home from College and the engine on the car blew up while I was online. She couldn't call for help. [3]<p>[3] - How's <i>that</i> for a technology shift though, as far as taking things for granted (i.e. call waiting being seamless and not costing extra per month.)<p>[4] - Except for the bit where when AT&T somehow figured out we were using a 'Share-dial-up-over-LAN' a few years later, had to switch to Mindspring after dad had me do the research.
56k dial-up was a special upgrade from US Robotics and only some providers/numbers would have that speed. Yeah, as you said, more likely you will end up with 28.8 (based on the live negotiation during the connection setup I think)
Lovely. 16MB of RAM in the 90s? That's luxury.
And that dial-up sound always takes me back to happier times. Not unlike normal people's childhood songs.
Vibe coded replica, not the actual OS or programs.<p>Also riddled with inaccuracies.
it's like a theme park, the feels - not a museum
<i>and</i> less space than a Nomad, you say?
imagine agents getting that fast
This is faster than how I remember
Cool, but webpages load too fast.
I just remembered ripterm and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Imaging_Protocol" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Imaging_Protocol</a>
Hah, it's funny how the right environment brings back the same old vibes also in chat.
<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49886195">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49886195</a>
It was fun chatting with you guys :D
Who is upvoting this AI-generated nonsense? This is embarrassingly badly made. We have a solitaire game where you cannot drag the cards (and HTML elements move around every time you click), a pinball game with no gap between the flippers, etc etc etc... Nothing about this suggests a human made it.
Dialing in with Terminate and then using lynx was a real experience.
Heh love that it has the star-field screensaver. nice touch.
A while back, I set up a server that limits bandwidth through it to roughly max dialup speeds <a href="https://dialup.moveything.com/" rel="nofollow">https://dialup.moveything.com/</a>. It has some gifs, progressive jpegs that are fun to watch load, and a mirror of xkcd.<p>It uses rate limit buckets per-IP on the server side, applied before SSL termination so it doesn't include that overhead. If you open two tabs, they'll have to share. If your behind a NAT, you'll have to share with your NAT-mates. And, it also has headers saying not to cache anything, so you can continue to enjoy the experience.
this is great, but everything loads WAY too fast. It took forever to get anything to load back in the day.
A lot of people don’t know how cool it felt to dial into the internet or a service like Compuserve or Prodigy and suddenly have this whole world open up to you. Even at 56k.
Why do the websites feel faster than modern internet?
I fondly remember the text of pages loading almost instantly over dialup, and then over time images popped in. If you were lucky the author included image sizes, so elements didn't resize and move around.<p>A modern website has so many round-trip things happening for ads, tracking, and whatever goes on behind the scenes for frameworks and services are used. A lot of this is multiple round trips and blocking so you have to wait to start reading, and if something times out the website fails to load.<p>Between about 2012 and 2020 I had a mobile phone plan that throttled to 100kbps when I ran out of data (which was often). Throughout that time google search and hackernews worked at that speed normally, but in that time period the percentage of websites that fail to ever load changed from about 25% to virtually 100%.
Not needing 30MB of JS probably helps.
That's surprisingly well done
Fun and cool. The News made me chuckle.
I'm sure someone pointed this out in the other thread, but 56kpbs modems essentially didn't exist in 1996. They launched at the end of the year, cost a ton, and the manufacturers hadn't standardized the speeds, so it really didn't matter much as you weren't browsing AOL, MSN or Compuserve with it yet.<p>33.6k.rip is a harder domain name to get though, so I get it.
> the manufacturers hadn't standardized the speeds<p>Yeah, but there was pretty much two options x2 (usr) and kflex (everyone else). I dunno about AOL and those guys, but for ISPs (and BBSes), they'd list the speeds with their dial-up numbers, so if you had an x2 modem you'd try their x2 number, and if you had a kflex modem, you'd try their kflex number... If you liked your ISP, when they got 56k, you would buy a modem for the tech they picked... if you were choosing a new ISP, you'd pick one that supported the tech you had.<p>Switching ISPs was pretty easy back then, unless you were using ISP email, but local ISPs might set you up with email forwarding as you're leaving. So switching to get a better connection speed was a real thing. You might also switch because your ISP had too many busy signals, or because even though you connected at 56k, their upstream connection was overloaded or had poor routing and you had poor speeds to the rest of the world.
I agree with all of that - I'm just saying it must have happened in 1997 as the modems came out too late in 1996 to be particularly useful right away except maybe for your local BBS. I can't <i>remember</i> though - 30 years is a long time - so I'm willing to accept maybe I'm incorrect. I do remember how expensive the modems were - I don't think I ever upgraded, but instead got a DSL line.
56k flex!
Beautiful.<p>Now we just need to bring back BBS’s and the daily turn based games. Legend of the Red Dragon, Usurper, etc.
Still ugly after all these years. Get a Mac.
That chat was fun, 20 people online!<p>Some were asking: a/s/l hahahaha
Reminds me of this xkcd comic: <a href="https://xkcd.com/3227/" rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/3227/</a><p>Select modem mode and just hurt.
[dupe] see previous conversations in <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49340252">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49340252</a>
That reminds me. Can we standardize cypress tests to load the website via a restricted speed as one of the tests? Some of of our modern webpages are still slow on the latest iPhone/Pixel/Samsung over 5G.<p>8,600,743 bytes of assets and frameworks later I'm finally able to see your contact-us address.
I miss it.
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