Pet peeve on Google's AI rollouts: there's no alignment across the three platforms they have, consumer, prosumer, cloud. Scroll to the end of every release, including this one, and you'll see different availabilities. The fun part is the models don't even have the same capabilities across platforms! Omni Flash, last I tried and read the docs, is video and text out on consumer and prosumer but video out only on GCP. So if your org disables consumer and prosumer, like mine, it's a coin flip whether you can use the fancy new models or what they can do.
> Pet peeve on Google's AI rollouts: there's no alignment across the three platforms they have...<p>just remember: despite they would have you believe they are are a united front... they are better thought of as a "loose federation of warring tribes".
I hear much of what happens there is from PMs who want promotions, which makes me wonder if a goal (like interorg alignment) could be met by freezing their promotions until they Google Meet together & hash it out.<p>I’m reducing into silliness I’m sure, I don’t have any breadth or depth of knowledge here.<p>Edit: wonder why Apple is ostensibly different. MS seems similar, and don’t know enough about AWS—maybe I’ve seen complaints about them being disjointed, but not as much as Google & Microsoft.
united by a Performance Cycle
>they are better thought of as a "loose federation of warring tribes".<p>Googly way to put it! Nice. Might steal that :)
Seriously. It's very annoying. Add to that the corporate Google Workspace also getting models later
An education account I have lists 3.1 Pro, and 3.6 Thinking and Flash as the available models in the app.<p>My personal account, 3.6 Flash Lite and 3.5 Thinking.<p>Meanwhile, I can go hog wild and drain my bank account on GCP. I don’t though, because my family has to eat.
> Voice replication: Recreate consistent vocal profiles from just a 30-second audio sample of your voice or a voice you have the rights to use, backed by built-in consent verification, SynthID watermarking, and C2PA credentials to protect both developers and their vocal talent.<p>I guess voice cloning is widely enough available now from other providers that Google are no longer hesitant to ship it.
Yesterday night I was doing a project with QwenTTS 1.7B.<p>After some debugging, making a clean dataset with clean recordings, and experimenting with a good fine tune recipe (much props to the new GPT models yesterday being cheaper).<p>I was able to make a robo-me that sounds absurdly good, family was shocked, all in a matter of a few hours.<p>So yeah the cat is out of the bag for sure.
Yeah I was doing that at the beginning of this year with voice samples locally from hollywood-stars with Qwen3-TTS.<p>It took like 1min - capture something from a youtube or video and put in your own text. It worked also really good for a german test.<p>Made a voice message for my wife from one of our favorite actors, telling here how nice it would be to make some breakfast :D
Any chance you could share a bit more detail? I’d love to try this myself but could use some proven structure / approach.
Its so crazy to me how prevalent bad AI voices are, when local models can do such good AI voices
Arguably, no AI voice should sound like a human voice:<p><a href="https://youtu.be/M-IVVJkZnuo?t=236" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/M-IVVJkZnuo?t=236</a>
Very few people explore the options they have and tend to stick with the first thing that works.
They probably do something similar to GPT-Live where they expect a given voice profile to send them a sample saying 'This is the owner of this voice and I consent for synthetic samples to be made of it'<p>and/or local voice cloning is good enough as is so Google doesn't grant a uniquely liable ability?
>and/or local voice cloning is good enough as is so Google doesn't grant a uniquely liable ability?<p>Probably the latter. Cat's already out of the bag to the extent that you can synthesize with a specific voice in one go and it sounds decent. Even if you need commercial models for better intonation or whatever, you can probably get the commercial models to first generate with a generic voice, then use a local model to transfer that to voice you're cloning. That'll probably get rid of any C2PA watermarks too.
This has been possible for quite a long time (probably 1-2 years). There are multiple open models that can do this quite well. Recent example from my YT feed:<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WENMgQE9tws" rel="nofollow">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WENMgQE9tws</a>
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voice cloning is a tool, it is not necessarily evil, even though the scenarios it can be used for nefarious purposes outnumber the legitimate ones.
Google granted themselves the authority be evil back in 2018. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil</a>
It's still in their code of conduct, as the wikipedia article you linked mentioned<p><a href="https://abc.xyz/investor/board-and-governance/google-code-of-conduct/" rel="nofollow">https://abc.xyz/investor/board-and-governance/google-code-of...</a><p>ctrl/cmd+f "evil"<p>I don't know why this argument is brought up all the time anyway, it literally means nothing. They can name themselves "Don't Be Evil Inc" and continue to do evil stuff cause evil isn't an objective measure. If squeezing juice out of puppies made money, any business can just say it's "not evil."<p>And if you think they're evil why would you trust them to follow their own guideline of not doing evil? An evil corp would be more likely to just hide behind that phrase, not quietly remove it as some subtle hint that they want to be openly and proudly evil all of a sudden.
I mean yeah? If google offers a cloud nmap tool, should everyone get in a tizzy about how google is "evil", even though it saves baddies maybe 5 minutes of work?
Here's a video of my Emotive Audiobook Creator, KeenLore, a locally hosted web app:<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAeHgE94rVo" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAeHgE94rVo</a><p>No cloud, no tokens to pay. Reads a book using a full cast of characters. Quotation attribution detection (for my novel) is at 97.2% accuracy (485/499 quotes identified and assigned correctly). The autofill of character voice descriptions uses the prose to determine how the character sounds.<p>Employs Gemma 4[1] for the prose analysis (voice fills, quotation detection) and Qwen3 TTS Voice Design[2] for creating voice samples. Runs on an 8GB NVIDIA T1000 GPU card, 96 GB RAM, and a AMD Ryzen 5 7600.<p>[1]: <a href="https://deepmind.google/models/gemma/gemma-4/" rel="nofollow">https://deepmind.google/models/gemma/gemma-4/</a><p>[2]: <a href="https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen3-TTS-Voice-Design" rel="nofollow">https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen3-TTS-Voice-Design</a>
I've been working on a similar project all year and as a tip, you should try Fish Audio or Higgs as a replacement for Qwen3. Both yield much better prosody and are much easier to listen to for long runs.
> Fish Audio or Higgs<p>I wasn't able to find a version of these that can create voice samples based on voice designs. Do you mean to use Qwen3 TTS Voice Design to create samples followed by Higgs or Fish Audio to clone the sample voices and narrate the novel?<p>MOSS-TTS 2.0 will apparently have voice design, as well, on par with ElevenLabs quality.
For the voice design, these don’t support it, but for the final render, they’re much better. So your pipeline could for example generate voices with one tool and render with another.
It's cool technology and I read a lot of audiobooks, even hundreds of hours of TTS. I feel like my brain can fill in the character voices from the text - on the page it's not like they're different fonts.<p>I understand audiobook narrators often do it, and that's fun. But it's not so critical in my opinion
Awesome! I had been meaning to build something like this for a while now, but never got around to it.<p>Is it possible to annotate your text with extra 'stage directions' that influence how the book is read out?
> annotate your text with extra 'stage directions'<p>Good idea, not something I've considered yet. Wouldn't take much to add it since there's already a feature for selecting a quotation and assigning it an intonation. Same infrastructure could be reused to select arbitrary text and assign stage directions.
<grumble grumble people putting in links they expect you to follow to arbitrary goatse youtube videos for all I know><p>The title of the video is 'KeenLore - Emotive Audiobook Creator Demo' and it appears to be a web UI and some local stack that reads text files.
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I direct my own extended daydream Star Trek fanfic (okay, I'm on season 2 episode 17) and recently I looked to see if I could have each scene file be read aloud a la an audiobook or radio drama.<p>Getting GPT-Live to have unique enough voices and to be expressive with how I imagine the voices going in my head is hard to direct, there's not enough control there.<p>So this Gemini 3.8 specific large voice library and ability to tightly control (if you are willing to write a script) is nice to find, and while I'm not sure which of the 5,286 Gemini products this is, nor how to onboard and get started feeding this my own text files, nor what training will happen to my data if I did somehow use it, I love that the state of the industry is such that Google can do this and release it publicly, because that means eventually an equivalent product can come from someone else and be used locally / confidently that the generated audio or inputs won't be retained and misused.
You might find this interesting, it seems to be exactly what you need to make an audio drama: <a href="https://github.com/Finrandojin/alexandria-audiobook" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/Finrandojin/alexandria-audiobook</a><p>Also the Qwen3-TTS demo is cool, you can describe the voice you want: <a href="https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen3-TTS" rel="nofollow">https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen3-TTS</a><p>I came across both on this subreddit, it's very active: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TextToSpeech/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/TextToSpeech/</a><p>I'm personally using this <i>locally</i>: <a href="https://github.com/mateogon/pdf-narrator" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/mateogon/pdf-narrator</a> (it's a Python frontend for Kokoro) on my M1 Macbook Air (from 2020, with 8GB RAM) and it's incredible. I make my own audiobooks now - for free!<p>My favorite voice is am_michael and here's a sample: <a href="https://voicerankings.com/voice/kokoro-82M/male/am_michael/samples" rel="nofollow">https://voicerankings.com/voice/kokoro-82M/male/am_michael/s...</a>
Then I think what this guy is doing with local Star Trek voice cloning is right up your alley:<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDudeaWppSE" rel="nofollow">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDudeaWppSE</a>
Original series or Next Generation?
I vibe coded a playground UI for trying this out. The conversation mode is neat, and it's very expensive - most of my experiments have cost less than a cent.<p><a href="https://tools.simonwillison.net/gemini-tts-playground#compose=%7B%22v%22%3A1%2C%22mode%22%3A%22single%22%2C%22model%22%3A%22gemini-3.8-flash-tts%22%2C%22single%22%3A%7B%22voice%22%3A%22Kore%22%2C%22style%22%3A%22cheerful%20and%20friendly%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22Have%20a%20wonderful%20day!%22%7D%2C%22speakers%22%3A%5B%7B%22id%22%3A1%2C%22name%22%3A%22Joe%22%2C%22voice%22%3A%22Puck%22%7D%2C%7B%22id%22%3A2%2C%22name%22%3A%22Jane%22%2C%22voice%22%3A%22Kore%22%7D%5D%2C%22turns%22%3A%5B%7B%22speaker%22%3A1%2C%22text%22%3A%22How's%20it%20going%20today%20Jane%3F%22%2C%22style%22%3A%22cheerful%20and%20friendly%22%7D%2C%7B%22speaker%22%3A2%2C%22text%22%3A%22Not%20too%20bad%2C%20how%20about%20you%3F%20Ready%20to%20test%20these%20new%20voices%3F%22%2C%22style%22%3A%22calm%20and%20relaxed%22%7D%5D%7D" rel="nofollow">https://tools.simonwillison.net/gemini-tts-playground#compos...</a>
Example (topical, pelican themed) audio clip here: <a href="https://simonwillison.net/2026/Sep/23/gemini-tts-playground/" rel="nofollow">https://simonwillison.net/2026/Sep/23/gemini-tts-playground/</a>
Why tho? AI Studio has this model available and I don't need to paste the API key anywhere<p><a href="https://aistudio.google.com/generate-speech?model=gemini-3.8-flash-tts" rel="nofollow">https://aistudio.google.com/generate-speech?model=gemini-3.8...</a>
Very expensive?
Nice but in general I wouldn't put my API key into some third party website, no matter if it claims to not store it. It's not something personal, you are a bit of a celeb here so I wouldn't think you'd save the keys, it's just good general data hygiene. Especially not if a leaked API key can rack up thousands of dollars in fees quickly.
My primary use case for TTS is converting written content (blogs, articles, etc.) in to clips I can listen to on the go.<p>Is there a good browser extension that does this with a flexible TTS backend? I know Qwen, Kokoro, and VibeVoice all have decent quality..
Browser extension? Try these:
<a href="http://www.paper2audio.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.paper2audio.com/</a>
<a href="https://freevoicereader.com/" rel="nofollow">https://freevoicereader.com/</a>
<a href="https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sza-text-to-speech/jfaocnefnpgpdmfodmpcmlmfllicbpbi?pli=1" rel="nofollow">https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sza-text-to-speech/...</a>
<a href="https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/flow-tts/hknidankihadgkfhohimfmfiamdeiedb" rel="nofollow">https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/flow-tts/hknidankih...</a><p>I found all these on this subreddit: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TextToSpeech/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/TextToSpeech/</a><p>I've also see comments like "Microsoft Edge's read-aloud feature is amazing for TTS" but I haven't tried it myself.<p>Personally I use Kokoro with a python front-end on my Macbook, I linked to it in this comment: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49818923">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49818923</a> it outputs MP3, so I just copy those to my phone and listen as audiobooks.
If you use Chrome on Android, there is a "Listen to this page" option in the menu.<p><a href="https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/14768725?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/14768725?hl=en</a>
Doesn't actually read the page, though. Or not what you see in the browser. For example right now, when I navigate to "reply" it doesn't read the comment I'm replying to - it's reading the login banner you get visiting a reply link without being logged in.
I vibed a wikipodcast app that has a wikipedia dump, gemma llm for search and summarization and a tts model for audio gen so I could just ask about topics while on the go, and the app would just go off and tell me stuff out of the Wikipedia database.<p>It was especially nice during a bike trip along the Rhine, I listened to a lot of the history of the industrial area and its cities.
For on the go, I’ve been using ElevenReader. Technically not free but their free tier has been plenty for me.
"users must provide a verbal consent recording from the voice owner that matches the reference speaker before a voice can be created"<p>How long is this stored? What could go wrong? :P
It's giving me an error when I try to generate a voice with Voice Design in AI Studio. It also says voice replication isn't available in my region.<p>Also weird that there are no "neutral gender" voices in the English language. There's also limited "use cases," like the "Gaming" use case is empty?<p>And there's no pricing listed anywhere.<p>I don't know, I guess their roll out is a bit sloppy. It's a bit of a shame, though, since the voices which are available all sound like generic Gemini voices to me. Nothing stands out is being particularly interesting or impressive about this.
Related, for embedding small models, this lib is incredible.<p>Having a voice under 1Mo is crazy, even if it sounds robotic.<p><a href="https://tts.ampixa.com/sanoTTS/" rel="nofollow">https://tts.ampixa.com/sanoTTS/</a>
What is the best open model / tool for text to speech running locally?
It depends on what you are after (quality, legibility, performance, etc.).<p>If you're after quality then Qwen3 TTS is a very good model esp. if you take some effort to craft a voice file. It is slow, so isn't practical for real-time voices (like assistants). It can also occasionally switch to a different voice to the one provided, so you may want to break up the text being processed.<p>I've not yet tried other recent/recentish models.<p>If you are after performance then two options from older models are:<p>1. flite with a HTS (Hidden Markov Model) voice like cmu_us_rms (male) or cmu_us_slt (female);<p>2. espeak/espeak-ng with an MBROLA (an Overlapped Add model) voice (mb-us1, mb-de5-en, etc.).<p>Alternatively, you could try using Qwen3 TTS or over voice changing model with the CMU Arctic (<a href="http://www.festvox.org/cmu_arctic/" rel="nofollow">http://www.festvox.org/cmu_arctic/</a>) voice data which includes audio for the rms and slt voices among others.<p>If you're feeling adventurous you could also try fine tuning one of the TTS models on that data to create a custom voice, though the data is likely to be in the training data for the voices, so using an audio sample may be sufficient depending on the TTS model.
I've got the best results with BreezeTTS, Higgs Audio v3, and Fish Audio S2 Pro. audio.cpp (<a href="https://github.com/0xShug0/audio.cpp" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/0xShug0/audio.cpp</a>) is an easy way to run a lot of different models.<p>Different models have different strengths. If you throw an entire ebook at a model you're going to get a different result than if you craft a perfect 10 second sentence with a model that supports voice direction and emotion tags, so you should try a bunch depending on your use case.
I've been making audiobooks out of text files that I have lying around, and kokoro TTS has been phenomenal
I love PocketTTS. It's stupid fast and the voice quality is decent. But it's not the highest quality.
"Super tinny monotone robotic voice" does not sound neither tinny nor monotone. Compared to what TTS from 90s sounded like. Or even how actors impersonated robots in movies. Has the model been eating too much hype DJs?
Would be great if this would power the Google Books app feature. The voice system there is pretty out of date.
the ratio of new voice models i see on hackernews to the number actually deployed in any product i use is approximately infinity.
Yes, I am quite disappointed by seeing all this cool AI stuff and yet the same Play Books. Come on, it is the best place to apply AI, in my opinion.
My ROFLcopter goes: SOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOI
In their demo for "Monologue" (2nd video over, after the medeival video game example), it is clearly ignoring the vocal cues like `<chuckles>` and `<laughing>`...
Seems like voice actors are safe for now. This is technologically incredible, but the results are really not very good, and usually not particularly close to the prompt. In basically all of these examples some core part of the prompt is completely ignored.
Probably.<p>I listened to some of the voices. The male voices are believable while all the female voices sound the same and artificial. For some reason, it also reminds me of the voices in Toy Story movies.<p>Bias in the training data?
> Seems like voice actors are safe for now. This is technologically incredible, but the results are really not very good,<p>Um, what?
Sorry if this is in that article, but I am on my phone and can't see it. How much would this cost to batch generate an audiobook? Right now I just listen to things in the 11 labs app which is free, but I would rather just generate audio files.
Roughly 5-10$ for 10h, assuming you few-shot it.<p>Price per hour:<p>- 3.8 Flash TTS, standard: $0.81<p>- 3.8 Flash TTS, batch: $0.41<p>- 3.8 Flash‑Lite TTS, standard: $0.54<p>- 3.8 Flash‑Lite TTS, batch: $0.27
That is the biggest difference here for me. I have not looked at every solution, but many. They are either much more expensive or garbage quality. For example my next target audiobook is a monster 250k words, 1.5m characters, so about $15 here or $75 using elevenlabs (0.05 per 1k characters). For me that is the difference between I will or I won't use it.
Until the end of the year, then double that. And that's only the audi output though the text input shouldn't cost much in comparison.<p>Official pricing can be seen here: <a href="https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing#gemini-3.8-flash-tts" rel="nofollow">https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing#gemini-3.8-fla...</a>
Would pay any amount of money for a zombo.com voice.<p>The original is the best: <a href="https://youtu.be/qxWwEPeUuAg" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/qxWwEPeUuAg</a>
Couldn't see this in the article, does it support API calls for one-shot conversation type responses like ElevenLabs offers?<p>$0.50 per hour pricing could last a long time with back and forth conversation use.
Google is spreading too thin, as gemini isn't really that intelligent.<p>They are creating gemini SOTA (not really any more), flash versions, text-to-speech, video (omni), etc.<p>I can see they want to create an ecosystem, but I see no focus in any one area.
Honestly I think their approach is the long term most useful one. Being SOTA is probably very costly and difficult. Optimising all the smaller stuff that's real world useful for people seems like it would have better long term use.<p>On top of that I would imagine the research side of Google might disk over things from one modality being useful to another - something like an audio optimising or memory optimising for text to speech could maybe also be useful for translation or world models. Etc etc
I can see where you are coming from. Vendor lock-in.<p>Basically spread many AI's everywhere, get people develop/user their ecosystem, and lock them in eventually.<p>But I find their models' intelligence lacking still.<p>I don't ever use their built-in gemini features (i have paid gmail) because they don't work well.<p>e.g. I ask gemini to format my Google docs per Google's material design spec with spacing, etc.
It does a real bad job. Many times it does it line by line, and when I finaly get it do it for the whole doc, it does it sloppy, and extremely slow (takes 5 minutes for 10 page doc)
The gemma 4 models are pretty great
Still, all voices sound like they are missing something only real human speech can sound like. But many people will not notice the difference between AI and normal voices.
I've been trying to track the SOTA for years switching between wavenet on Gcloud, to Azure, to ElevenLabs, and now Fish.audio. This is damn good
Where can I get text to speech audio easily?
They keep announcing new 3.8 variants. I wonder why they still haven't updated 3.1 Pro yet.
Probably $$$ and limit to internal compute. Rumour is they even internal google employees have trouble getting compute for AI stuff. Guessing they're pretty slammed infrastructure wise with adding AI answers to default Google searches
IMHO its obviously: they cant compete with SotA models in benchmaxxing. They can and do compete on price though.
Gemini 3.8 "Flash" says hello
I’ve never found a TYS that does convincing British accents.<p>They all sound like Americans putting in their best fake British accent.
It would be nice to have sound effect generation (use case: games)
here is a competitor, if someone wants to compare <a href="https://gradium.ai/" rel="nofollow">https://gradium.ai/</a>
Great price at least until December 31 too.
Where is "pro"?
Still sounds AI, you can tell they exaggerate all the tone and trailing "high scoring expressive sounds" like your job depends on it.
Yes, I find nearly every "SOTA" voice model I try intolerable to listen to because of the fake exaggerated expression/emotion. It's actively distracting because it pulls focus to emphasize randomly. ChatGPT Voice models are so insufferable to put up with for a conversation longer than 45 seconds.<p>All I want is a clear, technically flawless, even/restrained "computer voice" for pretty much every use case (except audiobooks). But that doesn't make for splashy demos/score well for RLHF raters.
Great. Now in additional to AI email responses I will get AIs impersonating my contacts on the phone too. Lovely.
I hope this spills over into more voices for android/android auto default assistant voices. The current choices are all so meh
Pricing isn't noted.
HN: Lament devs losing jobs to AI<p>Also HN: Fuck those voice actors and their careers.
Based on this video I think this model was trained on p*rn<p><a href="https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/original_videos/AudioWaveform-Blue_SingleSpeakerCES_Teleprompter.mp4#t=5" rel="nofollow">https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ori...</a>
It’s just a woman’s voice…
That argument says as much about the training as it says about your sexuality, you do realize that right.