> It found the U.S. “failed in its obligation to do everything feasible to verify” that the school was a military objective and that the failure “went beyond mere negligence.” The report said the United States “directed the strikes at the building of the school while being aware of a substantial risk of striking a civilian object and acting recklessly as regards the possibility that this would happen.”<p>Reading the details, "AI" doesn't really seem like the culprit -it's a scapegoat.<p>The intelligence that it was no longer a military target never entered the target database, the team that was responsible for vetting the target list was gutted, and said team was never even consulted.<p>The White House wanted 1000 targets and pulled from their database without any due diligence. Whether it was an AI call or an SQL query - this was from pure human maliciousness and incompetence.
Now, ask yourself if you want AI taking decisions around your life... it will pull numbers... someone will have a "goal" of 1000 "hits" and there you go, 2-3 months in jail working to check what went wrong...<p>But don't worry, the other P AI system will ensure that the first one doesn't do mistakes...
<a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mitigation-response-trump-defense-department" rel="nofollow">https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mit...</a>
> “No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement,” - Hegseth<p>...<p>> Hegseth and the commander in charge of the Iran operation, Adm. Brad Cooper, were questioned about the strike before Congress. Hegseth said the U.S. does not target civilians and would investigate<p>So the administration does not <i>intentionally</i> target civilians, they have just stopped caring about who a civilian is.
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It's easy to blame the military and the higher-ups, after all they made this choice. But more relevant to HN, this couldn't have happened without technology professionals working for Palantir.<p>> A Palantir spokesperson told Bloomberg the company “is not responsible for the underlying data nor identifying intelligence deficiencies” and that there is no evidence its software was at fault.<p>If you work for Palantir, you are writing software that kills people. Software that, in this case, killed 123 children. What salary is worth that?<p>I encourage others who work in the public sector, whether directly or through a contractor, to read and internalize Don't Get Distracted by Caleb Hearth [0]. I think about it nearly every day.<p>[0] <a href="https://calebhearth.com/dont-get-distracted" rel="nofollow">https://calebhearth.com/dont-get-distracted</a>
<i>>It's easy to blame the military and the higher-ups</i><p>My brother in Cthulu, they're the ones making the life or death decision, who else should be to blame?<p><i>>But more relevant to HN, this couldn't have happened without technology professionals working for Palantir.</i><p>If you wanna go that scapegoat route then none of this would have happened if DARPA wouldn't have invented the internet, or if Thomas Edison wouldn't have invented the lightbulb, or if the fish haven't venture onto land and make us land mammals.
While I think that it's important to do root cause analysis, we need to be very careful not to absolve blame from the people that decided to shift a significant weight of decision-making authority to an AI. An AI can be tried in a court. There has to be a responsible human for everyone one of its actions, especially when it's killing (-people-) children.<p>I cannot believe this has come to pass.
<a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/10/pentagon-iran-school-strike-civilian-casualties-00820780" rel="nofollow">https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/10/pentagon-iran-schoo...</a><p>> The Pentagon chief last year slashed offices that didn’t contribute to his goal of “lethality,” including the group that assists in limiting risk to civilians, known as the Civilian Protection Center of Excellence. Around 200 employees who worked on the issue, including at that office, have been reduced by about 90 percent, according to two current and former officials and a person familiar with the effort. The team that handles civilian casualties at Central Command, which oversees the Middle East, has dropped from 10 to one.<p>Negligent homicide in pursuit of their DEI goals, basically.
The headline says "contributed to missile strike", not caused it.
can -> can't
> Officials said some users expected Maven to flag stale records or contradictions in the intelligence assembled for potential targets, though it is not clear why they thought the system would do that<p>This is what happens when people who don't understand AI and its limitations embrace it wholeheartedly, thinking it's going to behave like The ultimate analyst. Except it's not. Its got blind spots in more places than anyone knows. And not to mention the system itself has multiple areas of failure.
Chatbots in general can be quite opaque in how they operate, the biggest issue with agent products is communicating it's capabilities and limitations to users. If you have a bank app it's pretty clear whether or not it can send wire transfers, but a if that's a chatbot, users will have to think to ask it (and even then it could hallucinate)
No, this is what happens when software developers don't understand how users actually use their products.<p>This was a totally expected outcome, similar to how CV cameras arrest the wrong minorities in neighboring states 100s of miles away because it told the officer it was them; or how health insurance companies use ML algorithms to deny Americans care.<p>It's going to happen in other sectors of life and it will continue killing innocent civilians.
> The Minab site, which was cataloged as an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps facility due to outdated data, was fed into Maven with other candidates and came out as a recommended day-one target. Target-list work that once took hours was condensed into minutes.<p>I feel like we're optimizing the wrong metric here.
The pentagon says it was Palantir software’s fault, Palantir says it was the fault of bad data input to their software. Where’s the accountability by both organizations? How did we get to a world where military decisions leading to innocent deaths are responded to as if it was just another miscommunication implementing a B2B SaaS platform.
Small children often develop coping mechanisms for their lack of agency. It may be part of these people’s worldview since early childhood that anyone who opposes them should magically die.
The new world is complex and AI technology has outpaced the regulation cycle, so it's inevitable that we come to a place where you don't have accountability and can never have it because 0) the courts can't handle the case, they don't have the frameworks for it, so it takes longer time 1) you can overload the courts with slop, 2) by the time there is a decision the world has moved on and technology has moved on<p>Really good time to do various crime.
To me it's extremely obvious that this is the desired outcome - no accountability for anyone with this setup.
Related: the U.S. nearly boarded a Chinese boat that AI incorrectly flagged as carrying nuclear weapons materiel.<p><a href="https://gizmodo.com/almost-started-a-war-us-military-nearly-boarded-a-chinese-ship-based-on-bad-intel-from-ai-2000814290" rel="nofollow">https://gizmodo.com/almost-started-a-war-us-military-nearly-...</a>
Personally I'm more interested in the justification for the second and third strikes.<p>There needs to be some protection for first responders and others helping the injured.
Israel likes to argue that Hamas embeds fighters with first responders, which even if so, they're still responding to injured. But Israel considers this not even collateral damage but justified.<p>Mind you Israel is currently funding a lobbyist organization in the UK to flag Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) as a terrorist group (because many years ago a couple of people who had affiliations with other anti-Israel groups were found to be also affiliated with MSF).
Yeah, I've heard about it, but presumable Americans soldiers still care about IHL at least to some degree, even though they've historically not bothered with the Geneva convention and have tortured people.
I'm going to bet that absolutely nobody higher up will end up going to jail for this.
Jail? I'm going to bet that absolutely nobody higher up will face <i>any</i> consequences for this. The outcome will be "we will review our processes".
Hegseth should be in prison<p><a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mitigation-response-trump-defense-department" rel="nofollow">https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mit...</a>
Yup. Brown Muslims from another country are barely considered human. It's like killing an ant.
You're absolutely right, those were innocent children. I apologize for the error. Would you like to know more about war crimes?
Wait... I thought they said they didn't kill children and that was Iranian propaganda.<p>> That didn't happen.<p>> And if it did, it wasn't that bad.<p>> And if it was, it was AI's fault, not mine.
C'mon, a Palantir AI isn't gonna talk like Claude.<p>It's gonna say something like "they were all military-aged males". <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-age_male" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-age_male</a>
That is absolutely irrelevant. USA will never take responsibility. Nobody will be prosecuted. No compensations will be paid.
Whole world is turning into an unlivable place and people who are doing it are not taking responsibility.
It was intentional and it's part of the zionist culture.
Blowing up a school is proven route to diplomatic triumph and regime change!
so who is paying for this? "humans must always remain accountable for artificial intelligence (AI) decisions"
An Maven AI used Claude, which was denied here multiple times. Maybe call the next model after Fable Minab!
Never so happy to see such an obvious scapegoat get thrown under the bus. I don't buy it for a second, but no tears will be shed if the stock market does.
first, closer to 250 people were murdered by the $4 Million tomahawk<p>second, imagine if Iran even accidentally took out an elementary school in the US filled with 250 people<p>third, there was a human group that was supposed to review targets regardless of whomever picked them, the group was purposely disbanded, that's negligent homicide at best but more clearly a war crime on purpose<p>fourth, let's say it was 250 soldiers somehow among a civilian setting, IT CHANGED NOTHING, this war will change nothing, they cannot destroy pickaxe mountain, they will abandon the war in 2029 like the US abandoned Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea, WAR CHANGES NOTHING, you cannot "War to Peace"
Tragically this won't be the last time AI kills a lot of innocent people.
This is not AI killing poeole, this is US government killing poeole.
AI didn’t kill innocent people here, the Department of Defense and its decision-makers did.
I don't want to see the Pentagon try to pass the blame here, but I am all for giving half the blame to Palantir.
They are also openly and proudly using this system along with Starlink to assist Ukraine, who a couple months ago killed a bunch of teens in a college in East Ukraine under very similar circumstances that a simple Google or Yandex maps search would have red-flagged plus on the ground real human intel. Unless the point was actually to kill kids.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike</a>
I think your source is undermining your claim. That Wikipedia article strongly suggests that the whole event was fabricated by Russia.
Says the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry, which then immediately refused to allow the UN access to verify the claim.
time to make Palantir the next Flock<p>France gave them the boot, you can too
nice, Karp really reeled in a nice big fish, and ofcourse he is going to blame OpenAI/Anthropic for giving the targets, this explains his CNBC rants about the frontiers, his tool was the trigger in a killchain of hallucination.
The one that pulls the trigger bears the responsibility.
No. That's too easy on the higher ups, they never pull triggers.
Completely disagree. When we’re talking about something like air, missile, or artillery strikes, the operator of the weapon system may literally never even see the target, on a screen or otherwise. They may simply be entering targeting information provided to them by an operations center. These decisions are social and group decisions, with distributed responsibility, which is why it’s so important to have institutions like the Civilian Protection Center of Excellence which historically has identified and helped implement the policies which prevent these kinds of disasters, but which unfortunately the current administration decided to shut down without a replacement.<p>Sometimes, the difference between a successful strike on a lawful combatant and disaster is one analyst pointing out that the building the enemy is hiding in is next to a square that’s used for a market on Tuesdays and wouldn’t you know it, it’s Tuesday. That’s not something the person “pulling the trigger,” can always be expected to know, which is why every ops center needs to be designed to elevate those voices, when the time comes
I would argue `s/pulls the trigger/gives the go ahead/` is intuitively more appropriate. The sailor on the boat that fired off the tomahawk (iirc) was likely not in a position to make an in-the-moment determination
The one that pulls the trigger is often not the one doing any targeting, especially on a strategic strike weapon like a tomahawk. They are receiving a target data package with preprogrammed instructions. Their role is far more... mechanical. They're not seeing the targets at all.
Given that everything emanating from this administration has a political agenda, does this mean that Thiel is on the outs?
In a just world, Pete Hegseth <i>and</i> the entire board of Palantir would be in prison for this.
TIL about this attack.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack</a><p>This looks as much, if not more, like terrorism to me than other incidents the media endlessly portrays.<p>The US has done so much evil around the world. Enough is enough.<p>And yeah, Alex Karp is a complete idiot. I cannot imagine how vile one has to be to make a profit off this.
DOGE strikes again. Edit actually looks like it was Hegseth himself, king Testosterone.<p>> Staffing on civilian harm mitigation teams across the U.S. Department of Defense had also fallen by roughly 90% over recent years, shrinking to fewer than 20 people overall. Centcom’s group shrank from 10 people to one.<p><a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mitigation-response-trump-defense-department" rel="nofollow">https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mit...</a><p>Edit: hilarious downvotes. Does DOGE get Elon Stan bots or something?
"stupid and energetic, the worst kind of general" - Indy Neidell
"maximum lethality, not tepid legality."
Is that really the case? Stories like this always have all sides muddying waters.<p>The terrorists are well known to use children and the rest of the public as hostage meatshields, and the US military is always looking for something/someone else to blame for the dirty work they have to do.<p>The broader public is so polarized by performative politics and botspam that they eat these stories up, but nothing I'm saying is secret. It's been this way since forever. Slow news today?<p>I'm not even defending AI at all and think these are crappy choices, but compared to humans gathering intelligence who can go rogue, what alternative does anyone really have?
It was a school. No one on either side is denying this.
> Stories like this always have all sides muddying waters.<p>Which makes the administration's near complete silence on the strike rather suspicious, no?
<a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mitigation-response-trump-defense-department" rel="nofollow">https://www.propublica.org/article/hegseth-civilian-harm-mit...</a><p>Yes it is really the case here.
> The terrorists<p>What fucking terrorists? We're talking about a country bombing another country's school. A country with a population of 93 million. Are you trying to insinuate that all 93 million Iranians are terrorists?<p>Maybe you meant the American terrorists?<p>> Stories like this always have all sides muddying waters.<p>All sides agree that the US bombed a school full of children, actually.
Despite what AI told them, they knew it was a school full of kids. They still chose to kill them all with bomb. Only maniac would do such thing.