10 comments

  • moeadham2 minutes ago
    I can’t believe we’re talking Angstroms already.
  • JumpCrisscross2 hours ago
    TSMC: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tsmc.com&#x2F;english&#x2F;dedicatedFoundry&#x2F;technology&#x2F;logic&#x2F;l_A14" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tsmc.com&#x2F;english&#x2F;dedicatedFoundry&#x2F;technology&#x2F;log...</a><p>Not sure what this source is, but it looks sketchy.
    • dgfl1 hour ago
      IEDM is more or less the most prestigious conference on semiconductor devices. Hard to get a more reliable source than a TSCM-affiliated paper from IEDM.
    • osnium1231 hour ago
      The source is the IEDM conference website where TSMC will be presenting the paper in Dec 2026
  • aurareturn1 day ago
    Chip density increase is slowing down. Since N10, density scaling has been 60-80%. N3 to N2 is only 20%. And now N2 to A14 is also only 20%.
    • chorsestudios23 minutes ago
      Yes but considering N10 was fabricated with DUV lithography right before the shift to EUV I&#x27;m not sure how fair that comparison is. That being said the density scaling of N10 nodes compared to predecessors using the same lithography technique was much higher than we have seen since with the EUV nodes. Density scaling is the most meaningful comparison metric, but it doesn&#x27;t take into account additional technology developments.
    • davnicwil1 hour ago
      20% growth then 20% again still seems pretty good to me though. I guess compounded that is a 44% increase N3 to A14 which also starts to look much better if you zoom out a bit. I mean 44% more density since a few years ago seems, if not massive, not insignificant, like you will definitely notice it.
    • kvemkon26 minutes ago
      Between N2 and A14 should sit A16.
    • osnium1231 day ago
      Is the increase in wafer cost higher than the density increase? If so, that means that the cost per transistor is also going up.
      • aurareturn1 day ago
        It&#x27;s hard to tell because AI has pushed up costs. IE. Chip fab margins are increasing.<p>But generally, I think it&#x27;s even or increasing $&#x2F;transistor for each node. I&#x27;d guess that A14 would have been 20% more expensive than N2 regardless or AI or not.<p>It probably is still worth it because you&#x27;re also getting 20-30% better power efficiency - which is a big deal for data center chips.
    • georgeburdell1 day ago
      A lot of that is the lack of SRAM scaling. There’s still quite a bit of improvements in the back end (metal traces). That aside, if foundries adopted say a 1T-1C SRAM we’d see a pretty rapid density doubling
      • smallmancontrov2 hours ago
        Is 1T1C SRAM a technological thing or does it mean &quot;persuade designers to use DRAM in the many cases where the retention contract could be timeboxed with a bit of extra thought and cross-team haggling&quot;?
      • tliltocatl1 hour ago
        &gt; 1T-1C SRAM<p>Aka eDRAM? It was a thing back on 14nm node, but AFAIR not so much anymore. The 1C part is hard to get right in a way that is compatible with a logic process.
      • the84722 hours ago
        MRAM is 1T, non-volatile and supposedly has nanosecond-scale write times so it naively seems like it&#x27;d be an ideal SRAM replacement. But I guess shrinking MTJ is more difficult than other components or there are some other limitations.
  • nwah12 days ago
    In simpler terms, the SRAM density improved by 2.9% (according to ChatGPT). Which is better than it sounds, because SRAM had reached a wall, in terms of density gains, and, chips can be dominated by SRAM in terms of surface area, so this can mean a lot more room for logic, even though that is also getting considerably denser.
    • anamax1 day ago
      There&#x27;s some hope of smaller SRAM in the future - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;raaam-tech.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;raaam-tech.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;</a> is a three-transistor SRAM.
      • randomblock12 hours ago
        It&#x27;s not quite SRAM, it needs to be refreshed like DRAM. That&#x27;s the main downside compared to SRAM but it&#x27;s still very interesting.
        • choilive1 hour ago
          Yes, the density vs power tradeoff could make a lot of sense in a few applications.
          • MBCook1 hour ago
            I wonder if it would start to make sense for SRAM caches to shrink (or not grow as fast) in favor of adding on chip DRAM cache at some tier.
  • ginko2 hours ago
    Come on we&#x27;re in the 21st century, UTF-8 is pervasive. Just call it &quot;Å14&quot; node.
    • celsoazevedo1 hour ago
      I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s a UTF-8 problem. It&#x27;s just that most people don&#x27;t have &quot;Å&quot; on their keyboard.
      • fastball15 minutes ago
        On mac this is just Opt + A
      • agumonkey24 minutes ago
        tips in linux, remap altgr to compose and enjoy glyphs
    • fooker28 minutes ago
      What&#x27;s □14 node?
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