8 comments

  • jeffreygoesto1 hour ago
    The article revolves a lot around the "how" and "why" but does not really answer it's own title. We thought we have the answer right there: in democracies, the people delegates working out the rules to a group of elected people. The rules then are enforced by another, independent group of people. Currently this seems to be broken in (not only) the USA.
    • ozgung40 minutes ago
      The answer is: historically the incumbents define the rules and use safety as an excuse to build their moats by gaining exclusive rights and they end up being cartel&#x2F;monopolies.<p>It’s a rhetorical question.
    • slopinthebag1 hour ago
      this has always been broken
      • kreyenborgi15 minutes ago
        Broken is a spectrum, not binary.<p>(Some years ago, people argued that &quot;it&#x27;s already broken so voting in the crazy guy who wants to shake things up will flip the switch from broken to non-broken&quot;. But they were wrong.)
  • Stitch422313 minutes ago
    Most laws, if not all, for new technologies such as the internet and AI already exist.<p>For example: thievery, extortion, murder, etc. are already well-established crimes.<p>Putting &quot;cyber&quot; or &quot;AI&quot; in front of them makes it the same crime.<p>I&#x27;m really interested in what is actually new about these rules.
  • injidup17 minutes ago
    If you want a seat at the table then your AI must prove itself capable of winning some competition against the incumbents. How about a nice game of chess?
  • throwworhtthrow1 hour ago
    I believe this is a reaction to Dario Amodei&#x27;s essay yesterday, &quot;We Must Pace the Frontier&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49672510">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49672510</a><p>Cohere&#x27;s disagreement seems mostly about who makes the rules. From the essay (which does seem significantly written by AI, sadly):<p>&gt; The rules around AI are getting written either way. What&#x27;s still open is whether they get written by a group anyone can join and with evidence anyone can check, or by a handful of companies in a room with the door shut.<p>Of course none of the AI companies will suggest that they should be accountable for the illegal actions taken by agents they host, but I feel like that could be a very effective &quot;pacing mechanism&quot;, and addresses the concerns brought up by this essay about fairness and transparency.
    • ElProlactin1 hour ago
      &gt; Of course none of the AI companies will suggest that they should be accountable for the illegal actions taken by agents they host, but I feel like that could be a very effective &quot;pacing mechanism&quot;...<p>The problem is that the potential liabilities arguably vastly exceed what these companies can absorb. It would be interesting to see if any major insurer wanted to step up and insure them.<p>On the plus side, in the worst case scenarios, we won&#x27;t have to worry about damages because nobody will be left to pursue them.
      • watwut9 minutes ago
        The way they operate? No sane insurer. But the whole point is changing their behavior.<p>&gt; The problem is that the potential liabilities arguably vastly exceed what these companies can absorb<p>It is ok. Fines should not be just a cost of business.
  • moktonar1 hour ago
    Shouldn’t this be a democratic process?
    • zoobab47 minutes ago
      Democracy does not exist.<p>And there is no need for rules, this doomerism probability is not based on science.
      • xg1545 minutes ago
        Are we full-on Peter Thiel &quot;democracy and freedom are incompatible&quot; yet?
        • watwut7 minutes ago
          He is right. Democracy is not compatible with unlimited freedom for him. There are laws.<p>The differencd is that I see Thiels freedom limited a little as a good thing.
        • krige41 minutes ago
          Atlas may start shrugging any minute now!
  • rnd033 minutes ago
    The people with money, obviously.
  • light_hue_157 minutes ago
    There will be many scientists, myself included, that would band together to break the cartel if it forms. It&#x27;s just a matter of money. It is absurd.<p>Any logic shows that this is really about their valuations and being tired of innovating instead of having any safety concerns. What would happen if the US did this? Chinese and EU labs would eventually win. And then either the US becomes a backwater or they have to eventually spend the money to keep up anyway. But in the meantime they will have bought themselves a few years at insane valuations.<p>Also, look at the stark choice they want to offer &quot;we&#x27;ll kill everyone or you give us the power to do whatever we want with the most important tech around&quot;. That&#x27;s it. If we aren&#x27;t in an oligarchy now, we will be if this goes through. They&#x27;re going to end up stealing trillions of dollars from the rest of society.
    • skew-aberration47 minutes ago
      RSI scenario is not scientist-limited though. So, you&#x27;d better get cracking if you want to catch up before it&#x27;s impossible. Will first need to raise some serious capital too...
  • senectus114 minutes ago
    good luck having those rules audited reliably.