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  • PaulKeeble1 hour ago
    Governments and medicine tend to track deaths as the only bad outcome from events like 9&#x2F;11 or Covid. But typically there are a lot more people injured who suffer for the rest of their lives with the consequences, damage and chronic conditions that these events have left them with. We do need to put a lot more research into understanding and improving the quality of life of those with chronic conditions, Historically they have been ignored and are currently highly stigmatised by governments, the press and the populace.<p>Diseases that lead to death have had substantially better funding over the past 100s of years and chronic conditions are often rarely diagnosed, properly recognised let alone treated. The disabled is a club almost everyone joins at some point in there life and everyone is one accident or infection away from joining it for the the rest of their life. At the moment societies recognition and treatment of those with these conditions is really bad. The 9&#x2F;11 survivors will be suffering for the rest of their lives. Medicine is something we all want, but at the moment the amount invested by governments is quite low compared to the upside impact on humanity of finding real answers.
  • dbt001 hour ago
    Jon Stewart to his credit has done a tremendous amount of work on this.
  • atleastoptimal40 minutes ago
    I&#x27;m sure the cost to give every ground zero worker clean-room level suits with a built in filter would have been 1&#x2F;100000th the total cost compared to the medical expense of treating them over the next 25 years.
    • amluto31 minutes ago
      Clean room equipment is kind of the opposite of what was needed. Clean room equipment protects the room from the people.<p>What’s was needed was likely pretty basic PPE: P100 respirators along with outer clothing that would be kept out of people’s homes and showers when leaving the site. (PAPRs would have been even better, but they wouldn’t t have been cheap or available in large numbers on short notice.) Unfortunately, if you watch modern construction workers, you’ll find that PPE is almost universally ignored when performing common but dangerous tasks like cutting concrete or lead-painted surfaces.
    • afavour11 minutes ago
      Even the kind of masks we all got used to during COVID (KN95 etc) would have probably done wonders compared to the nothing they were given.
    • widowlark12 minutes ago
      but importantly, the down-the-line costs can be obfuscated and spread across the private and public sectors just enough that the government can claim deniability and therefore is no longer on the hook for the costs.
  • layer81 hour ago
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  • Insanity2 hours ago
    Paywalled, and I&#x27;m not creating a &#x27;free account&#x27;. But instead of it being related to 9&#x2F;11, couldn&#x27;t it just be related to other factors, e.g air pollution generally in NYC around turn of the millennium?
    • steveBK1234 minutes ago
      Historically ignorant comment.<p>9&#x2F;11 resulted in building collapse throwing something like 1-2 million tons of debris into the air, which then fell and was on fire in a huge pile for 100 days.<p>Concrete, drywall, glass, asbestos, you name it.<p>This is nothing like regular car&#x2F;heating&#x2F;power combustion exhaust which is well understood, regulated, and result of reasonably efficient conversion of mass to energy.. at least by comparison.
    • aurmc1 hour ago
      If that were the case, then everyone who lived&#x2F;worked near Ground Zero in the months before 9&#x2F;11 would have had these same health consequences.<p>Instead, it&#x27;s clear that that isn&#x27;t the case. Plenty of research, including studies on firefighters and other first responders on 9&#x2F;11 and the days after (and plenty of anecdata from doctors around here) have borne out that the health effects from being around Ground Zero for the first couple of weeks after 9&#x2F;11 was much deadlier than simply breathing in mild air pollution.<p>(In addition, while I didn&#x27;t live here at the turn of the century... what air pollution? Manhattan doesn&#x27;t have a collection of coal power plants near Wall Street. It doesn&#x27;t have more ICE cars than most other cities; it probably had fewer ICE cars per square mile than an ordinary Wal-mart parking lot in the suburbs.)
      • blackguardx1 hour ago
        When I lived there 15 years ago, many of the apartment buildings used heating oil furnaces for winter heat. These definitely contributed to lower air quality in the winter.
        • s0rce30 minutes ago
          People in California heat with wood in the winter and air quality is also bad in the winter, this isn&#x27;t the same...
    • joezydeco1 hour ago
      The first 40 floors of the WTC towers had steel beams coated in an asbestos insulating material. The regulations changed mid-construction but the lower floors remained.<p>About 400 tons of asbestos was thrown into the atmosphere around Manhattan when the towers fell.
    • KellyCriterion1 hour ago
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    • 40four50 minutes ago
      Reader mode circumvents the pay wall on many news sites, including this one :)
    • donohoe2 hours ago
      It was not paywalled for me. To your other point, sure, but you can see the normal rate of cancer in a population over time and then see the spikes in the years directly after 2001.<p>The distinction is that the strongest evidence is among responders, workers, residents, and others who were directly exposed, rather than showing that cancer suddenly increased across all of NYC.
      • Insanity1 hour ago
        Gotcha, I guess that does point at more impact from the event itself. There is a login-wall for me (not technically paywall), asking me to create an account.
    • EA-31672 hours ago
      That article isn’t paywalled.
      • T0Bi2 hours ago
        It&#x27;s &quot;login-walled&quot; for me as well.
        • EA-31671 hour ago
          With an x at the top right… if you click it then it goes away and doesn’t bother you again.<p>Realistically if you want the level of professionalism and coverage a site like Stat produces you are going to have to pay for some of it. The alternative is the “free” internet which is increasingly worthless slop.
          • mikestew57 minutes ago
            I clicked, and still only saw the first paragraph or two of TFA.
    • Lumich33 minutes ago
      « couldn&#x27;t it just be related to other factors » — Didn&#x27;t read the article, but I saw sth on TV about people allegedly suffering from 9&#x2F;11. Single, specific cases. Not a mass phenomenon.<p>I say, look at the money (www.vcf.gov). It could be a way of paying a rent to 9&#x2F;11 participants (actors), whether or not there are any health issues, and whether or not they have anything to do with inhaling some flyash or gypsum (which is what the dust cloud was probably made from).<p>Totally unclear to me why so many people go along with the ridiculous lies of 9&#x2F;11.
      • afavour8 minutes ago
        In NYC I used to live next door to a first responder who suffered from throat cancer. He was undoubtedly inhaling a ton of asbestos while he was there.<p>Of all the conspiracy theories around 9&#x2F;11, “it didn’t really make anyone sick” is one of the weirder ones to me. The cause&#x2F;effect is pretty well documented.