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  • SoftTalker42 minutes ago
    Major newspapers and even local ones (if they still exist) have been so dumbed down in the past few decades. I would estimate that many are now written to target a less-than-high-school literacy level. Worse, news often seems to be written to elicit outrage or fear (probably because "engagement").
    • phtrivier27 minutes ago
      I can&#x27;t access the article, so I don&#x27;t know which newspaper they were subscribed to. But, given the wording of &quot;the leading national newspaper&quot;, I can assume it would be &quot;Le Monde&quot;.<p>The audience for the written paper is not less-than-high-school educated. Do you think the wording is at this level ?<p>Eg: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lemonde.fr&#x2F;en&#x2F;france&#x2F;article&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;08&#x2F;pisa-2025-unprecedented-drop-in-french-students-performance-echoes-worldwide-decline_6757286_7.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lemonde.fr&#x2F;en&#x2F;france&#x2F;article&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;08&#x2F;pisa-202...</a>
      • Saline95157 minutes ago
        Le Monde is mainly entertainment&#x2F;preachy articles nowadays. Content and writing is usually better in the &quot;Le Monde Diplomatique&quot;, although it&#x27;s more politically biased.<p>English version: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mondediplo.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mondediplo.com&#x2F;</a>
      • Georgelemental14 minutes ago
        In terms of the actual ideas being promulgated, Le Monde is approximately CP-level.
    • xboxnolifes7 minutes ago
      &gt; I would estimate that many are now written to target a less-than-high-school literacy level.<p>I would have imagined they would have been targeting less than high school literacy since their inception. At least the ones intended to be read by the masses. I&#x27;d actually expect that they target somewhere in the 4th-6th grade literacy range.
    • tgv28 minutes ago
      Yeah, it&#x27;s really sad, but it&#x27;s a nail in the coffin of democracy. And prosperity. The news papers here seem to be written for 30&#x2F;40 yr old, middle class women with just enough spare time to feel guilty about other people&#x27;s behavior.
      • iamacyborg6 minutes ago
        I’m not sure the misogyny is warranted.
    • berytos_storm29 minutes ago
      It’s admittedly been a long time since I looked at a local newspaper, but I do seem them occasionally. Kinda seems like the local ones are just the local news segment in text format. Fine, but I can read that on my phone or watch it on the TV with much more convenience. Maybe there’s some interesting stuff left in classified ads or whatnot, but a lot of that shit so on marketplace now.
      • bluGill7 minutes ago
        Local is where getting the news is the hardest. My local school board meets at the same time as the local zoning board...<p>My town publishes city meeting minutes - &quot;debated to change zoning regulations in [development], it passed 2-3&quot;. What changes were made? What were the debate points? Once I get that information who do I vote for&#x2F;against in the next election if I care about the change.<p>I really want a local news paper that covers the above types of things. I can&#x27;t find it and in turn I have no idea who to vote for. Town positions are partizan so I at least I know democrat&#x2F;republican (for whatever that means...). I also know all candidates are married and have kids - and the family picture was taken by someone who knows how to make them look good. They all will &quot;fight for me&quot; as well, but never do they promise anything that might be controversial (unlike their opponent - they are obviously biased against their opponent and yet they are my best source of information about their opponent)<p>National news I will hear about and I can form opinions. However local it is much harder. The newspapers I have access to are not helping.
    • KellyCriterion22 minutes ago
      In Germany, there was a survey around 2009&#x2F;2010, depicting that more than 60% of the audience of the major national daily newsshow do not understand the words used by the moderators<p>(it was about &quot;Tagesschau&quot;, a major news outlet by the public broadcasting system)
      • Terr_4 minutes ago
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    • bell-cot7 minutes ago
      Back in the mid-1990&#x27;s, I took training as a literacy tutor. Our instructor noted that region&#x27;s major newspapers (Detroit, USA) were written to a 6th-grade reading level. Except for the sports section, which was more like 3rd grade level.<p>I will agree that the Attention Economy has replaced most of the traditional &quot;news&quot; with angry click-bait.
    • onlyrealcuzzo24 minutes ago
      They&#x27;ve been dumbed down for a reason...
    • neehao33 minutes ago
      fair. plausibly tested what&#x27;s easy enough to do and still seems like a win. we need a separate treatment for increasing informativeness of news.
    • svyatoslavpavl28 minutes ago
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  • econ2 minutes ago
    At work I have access to all newspapers big and small, I use to read all of them but I haven&#x27;t touched one in a decade. Not one article that isn&#x27;t infantile nonsense or outright propaganda of a quality that falls appart in the first sentence.
    • KPGv20 minutes ago
      The fact you can&#x27;t find a quality newspaper to read says more about you than the state of journalism.
  • jll2919 minutes ago
    In Europe, The Economist and The Guardian are about the only serious in-depth sources left, at least for those that can read English.
    • TheMatten7 minutes ago
      That feels a little bit reductive, at least given that non-English news is precisely what big part of population is going to consume. There isn&#x27;t even an unified market for news content given the language boundaries. Not to say there aren&#x27;t many shallow, clickbait sources, but there&#x27;re good ones as well.
      • bluGill4 minutes ago
        The better educated somebody is, the more likely they are to have reasonably fluency in English. There are some great non-English sources out there, but English is the most read language by well educated people.<p>Not saying there are not great news content in other languages. However English should be expected to dominate over the whole world.
    • iamacyborg5 minutes ago
      The FT is solid.
  • wsloth51411 minutes ago
    &#x27;Local newspapers&#x27; in my area are majority advertisement for local businesses or coupons. Like the content of reading a newspaper could be condensed to maybe 2 pages, if that. The first page is like what volunteers or schools are doing. While another half a page contains maybe a township schedule or something similar. I don&#x27;t think there is much content to &#x27;read&#x27; that would change much to be honest.
    • bluGill6 minutes ago
      news papers have always been 80% ads. However they used to have a lot more content (and a lot more ads)
  • dfxm1211 minutes ago
    I used to get the newspaper everyday before highschool. I mostly got it for sports, comics and puzzles, but many days I ended up reading it cover to cover. Unfortunately, that paper folded while I was in college. Hopefully, this is a good program for highschoolers and newspapers both...
  • newspaper115 minutes ago
    How about making teenagers seek out independent media? We&#x27;ve seen the results of people being raised reading MSM newspapers and it&#x27;s not pretty. Propaganda packaged as &quot;serious news&quot;, is some of the most dangerous media that exists.
  • Blikkentrekker46 minutes ago
    I don&#x27;t understand. The way I read the text one group was simply given a free subscription no? They weren&#x27;t made to read anything?
    • eightysixfour41 minutes ago
      Free subscription + a media education module for their teachers. Without making them read it, they showed high usage of the free subscription.
      • Blikkentrekker38 minutes ago
        Yeah, I got that from the abstract too. I just don&#x27;t understand where the “making teenagers read newspapers” angle comes from.
        • jelly14 minutes ago
          There&#x27;s a more subtle form of &#x27;make&#x27; where you set conditions to induce a result. The fact is, giving anything away for free will increase its consumption.
        • neehao34 minutes ago
          good point about the title.
  • jmspamerton20 minutes ago
    Again, what does this have to do with hacker news. This isn&#x27;t reddit.
  • delichon33 minutes ago
    &quot;A Nationwide Experiment in Mainstream Media Indoctrination in French High Schools&quot;<p>Fixed it for you.
    • altcognito28 minutes ago
      You would think that any sort of reading was immediate indoctrination with comments like these.
      • newspaper113 minutes ago
        Reading MSM newspapers is definitely indoctrination. With Europeans getting more and more hawkish on Russia (and other things), this seems like a great way to get everyone thinking &quot;right&quot;.
    • neehao32 minutes ago
      are kids so easy to indoctrinate? i suppose tiktok self-indoctrination is fine ...