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  • wiradikusuma56 minutes ago
    &quot;Christianity in particular has a history of absorbing other religions’ traditions&quot; -- Tangentially related: I&#x27;m a Catholic, so I don&#x27;t know much about other &quot;distros&quot;, but the Roman Catholic Church has a long, pragmatic history of absorbing local traditions in Indonesia.<p>It&#x27;s interesting dynamic. Catholic Church is notoriously top-down and hierarchical, yet local parishes can feel entirely distinct. It&#x27;s not uncommon to see traditional Javanese processions integrated right into the mass. Like skin&#x2F;mod in a game.
    • phyzix576122 minutes ago
      Its called syncretism. The Greeks and Romans have been doing it since the time of Alexander the Great.
      • broken-kebab11 minutes ago
        Syncretism is mixing religions (as doctrines, beliefs). Assimilating local traditions into one&#x27;s religious rituals is not that.
    • dyauspitr10 minutes ago
      I don’t think anything assimilates religions better than Hinduism. New belief system? Just throw in a new avatar of Vishnu to legitimize it and carry on.
    • ajross48 minutes ago
      I really don&#x27;t think that that use of &quot;in particular&quot; is correct or notable? Cross culture motion of mythology and storytelling is the rule with humanity, not the exception.<p>Really it&#x27;s only in the last&#x2F;final generation of religions, where they started writing them down in canon&#x2F;scripture&#x2F;testaments&#x2F;writs&#x2F;dogmas&#x2F;whatever, that you started to see unique stories get associated with specific religions.<p>Before that? It&#x27;s all mush. Aphrodite descends pretty clearly from the same line as Astarte&#x2F;Ishtar&#x2F;Innana (maybe Isis too), etc... People steal good stories. People get conquered and then confused by retelling the stories their new overlords tell. Again and again.
      • mightyham37 minutes ago
        &quot;In particular&quot; could also be interpreted here as just signaling the main subject of the article, not necessarily making any sort of claim to comparative amount of syncretism.
        • ajross22 minutes ago
          Editor snobbery digression: that would be poor writing. The job of signaling the main subject of the article belongs to the headline and lede, and &quot;Christian saints&quot; is right there.<p>No, that phrase is just filler. And IMHO it&#x27;s basically wrong. Certainly if the author want to show that Christianity is more likely than other religions to import ideas, the article has a lot more work to do than point out one myth. Literally everyone does this.
    • Onavo19 minutes ago
      &gt; <i>the Roman Catholic Church has a long, pragmatic history of absorbing local traditions</i><p>One of the most studied issues in Catholic evangelism is the Chinese rites controversy which is also one of the historical reasons why religions are suppressed in China (aside from ideological policies ascribed to communism).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chinese_Rites_controversy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chinese_Rites_controversy</a><p>(That and the Taiping rebellion which was estimated to have killed as many people as World War 2 on the higher end. It was led by a failed scholar claiming to be alleged brother of Jesus. Most of the deaths were due to starvation. Not quite Netflix material but interesting plot nonetheless)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Taiping_Rebellion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Taiping_Rebellion</a>
      • samus12 minutes ago
        The issue is moot since nowadays local practices are accepted to a degree. Even if Rome decided to go back on that it would have little practical relevance nowadays since there are lots of branches of Christianity that are not in communion with Rome and who are perfectly fine with that.
  • bitsage15 minutes ago
    It’s quite ironic how the assimilationist nature of high church Christianity has ended up becoming what early Christianity was in opposition to. Early Christians were non-conformist, to the point of execution, and were sometimes even seen as anti-social. A thousand years later, Christians are incorporating obscure tales from the East.<p>I think this is another argument for a separation of Church and state. It allows people to challenge when religious teaching goes awry without fear of persecution.
  • xutopia1 hour ago
    This reminds me so much of the Raglan hero archetype rank: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rank–Raglan_hero_archetype" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rank–Raglan_hero_archetype</a><p>So many stories, many people believe are true and build whole religions around, are really just repeated stories with many details changed to fit the local culture and traditions.<p>It&#x27;s crazy so many of the world&#x27;s politics and problems stem from what might actually just be the same story said in a different way... or even of a fan fiction on top of existing fiction.
    • twic12 minutes ago
      Can I interest you in Jesus also being Emperor Andronikos I? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;New_chronology_(Fomenko)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;New_chronology_(Fomenko)</a>
    • darepublic5 minutes ago
      Politics and problems don&#x27;t stem from the story. The story is an after the fact rationalization
  • 3m4r1 hour ago
    The Therapeutae sect is another good example of this phenomenon, although because it touches the root of several Abrahamic traditions so thoroughly, scholars and others are much less likely to declare an authoritative relation between between early Buddhism and the Therapeutae.<p>However, anyone who has more than a passing familiarity with the history of early Buddhism, the Therapeutae, and the religious developments of the 1st century BCE&#x2F;1st century CE can&#x27;t ignore how improbable the independent development of the latter&#x27;s practices are, and how influential they became to various groups in the Middle East that later claimed they arrived at them independently.
    • anon2913 minutes ago
      Christian and Buddhist monastic traditions are so uncannily similar it&#x27;s difficult to really think they developed without influence. That&#x27;s my opinion. Even the Europeans who first set foot in Asia during the age of discovery thought they were being played tricks on, so I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s that wild an idea
  • Guestmodinfo12 minutes ago
    Get your facts correct. Buddha was more than 600 BC focus on the word &quot;Before&quot; while Christians and the Christian saints came after Christ.<p>Don&#x27;t be an intellectual hodgepodge
    • amelius5 minutes ago
      &gt; Get your facts correct.<p>Would you call them &quot;facts&quot;?
    • azernik3 minutes ago
      Did you read the article, or just the headline?
  • ruffrey1 hour ago
    Some history, as this stuff is interesting to me. The two referenced saints predated formal canonization. They were approved in the 16th century. The Roman Catholic Church removed these two saints in the 20th century. There is some confusion because there is another Saint Josaphat (Kuntsevych), and another Saint Barlaam (the martyr, 4th century).
  • cjs_ac1 hour ago
    Related: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saint_Thomas_Christians" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saint_Thomas_Christians</a>
  • thinkindie1 hour ago
    whoever came up with this website name is definitely not Italian, as you would rather say &quot;Signor Galilei&quot;.
    • jean-1 hour ago
      Indeed, &quot;Signore Galilei&quot; makes one think &quot;Galilei ladies&quot; -- sisters, perhaps.
    • vasco1 hour ago
      &gt; Why Galileo?<p>&gt; Galileo is my actual, real life middle name! “Signore Galilei” is supposed to mean “Mr. Galilei” in the native Italian of Galileo Galilei, considered by many to be the father of modern science. I try to bring a Galilean spirit of curiosity to every post and video I make. An Italian-speaking viewer of mine has informed me that “Signore” should grammatically become “Signor” when it is used with a specific person’s last name rather than as a general term of address, so “Signore Galilei” really means something more like “Mister! Galilei!” instead. I guess that’s still okay with me.<p>From the about page
    • luckydata1 hour ago
      I&#x27;m Italian, I thought using the full word instead of eliding the last &quot;e&quot; was an archaic florentine habit that the author used, didn&#x27;t think much of it tbh.
  • QuesnayJr1 hour ago
    This is pedantic, but isn&#x27;t only Josaphat the Buddha?
  • mohamedkoubaa29 minutes ago
    I came across an interesting article once that claimed that Buddha was reconstituted into a mythical St. George
    • nephihaha14 minutes ago
      St. George is likely based on Michael, but I imagine the logic would be that the dragon was some kind of convoluted version of the King of the Nagas.
  • nephihaha1 hour ago
    St. Jehosophat is one of them.<p>Neither of them are currently recognised.
    • giraffe_lady30 minutes ago
      Catholics don&#x27;t formally recognize them but most or maybe all orthodox christian churches do.
  • ck236 minutes ago
    the fun-fact about any religion is since they are all completely made up, if you don&#x27;t like the rules you can just make your own rules or religion<p>however in certain countries this gets you executed or imprisoned
    • gwbas1c28 minutes ago
      Religion is very closely tied to social support structures: You can only &quot;make one up&quot; if the people who you are close with go along with you.
      • ck219 minutes ago
        you have a point but it doesn&#x27;t take many<p>I live in an area surrounded by cults<p>but also there are plenty of solitary practitioners of Wicca and Buddhism<p>and then you have the dozen of forms of christianity where every church just put their own spin on things<p>people are weird, religion just makes it even more so<p>I don&#x27;t have a problem as long as they keep it to themselves but that rarely is the case