I would be in the market for Europe-based static hosting and am glad that more European services are popping up, but this has one massive drawback: Unpredictable cost (unless you manually set a limit with support, then it presumably changes into unpredictable availability). With everyone moaning about AI crawlers I have no idea how far 10 or 500 GB bandwidth go nowadays, and I don't want to need to know.<p>At all-inkl.com (no affiliation except being a happy customer) I pay something like 8 EUR to get "unlimited" bandwidth (I'm sure if my site caused a problem I'd hear about it, but I can be sure that there won't be surprise bills, and I know I don't have to worry about "background noise"), static hosting, dynamic and database (which I don't use) hosting, <i>and 5 domains included</i> which makes the net cost of the hosting nearly free.
I'm using this for my mother's website (<a href="https://www.touchofglass.eu/" rel="nofollow">https://www.touchofglass.eu/</a>), and my only complaint is that it assumes you version a website in a Git repository. You can work around it by uploading a tarball or something like that, but it is far less convenient than using sftp/rsync. But considering that we are far into the free 10GB a month and I only have to update it very infrequently, it seemed like the best solution.
Wow, your mom is so cool!
"<i>Research has shown that being creative through art projects can help promote stress relief, increase self-esteem, help connect with others, and boost intrinsic motivation. So, participating in mindful art projects can open one's mind to more positive thoughts and offer alternative solutions to life problems."</i><p>And wise. Well done publishing the Web site which works without fuss in a calm way.
She is flattered :) Your comment and those of others here have "made her day", so thanks!
Btw highly recommend glass workshop like this. I did one and was surprised how easy it was to make a good looking coaster with no artistic talent.
I thought the same! :)
Love your mom’s work. Wow.
Do you mind sharing what (if anything) you're using to version that website? I'm wondering what folks use instead of git nowadays.
Back in the day people used to build a website without any versioning. Just make it and upload it. Make a change, upload it again.
Not really, I just use Emacs' versioned backup files that are automatically generated. As I said, I don't have to update the site that often, so it is entirely sufficient. An advantage for me, besides not having to write Git commit messages, is that I also don't have to version images in Git, which I don't like doing.
Seriously, no WebDAV?
According to the docs no, but I did find out that they now provide a script that automates the process <a href="https://www.statichost.eu/docs/direct-upload/" rel="nofollow">https://www.statichost.eu/docs/direct-upload/</a>.
<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10215419">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10215419</a><p>doesn't seem like a good idea
WebDAV used to be a tire fire, is it not anymore? I'd probably prefer SFTP, it just works
I can kind of see it, but hetzner costs, what, 5€/m for your own server with 10TB traffic included? How is a 4€/m markup remotely justified for what amounts to setting up an apache server and pointing a domain at it? And cutting traffic to a twentieth?
His has been my setup for many years. A simple cheap Hetzner VPS, setup to run Caddy printing a bunch of subdomains for all my side projects. If I wanted CDN, I’d look at bunnycdn. I haven’t researched a European DNS provider yet. For now it is Cloudflare.<p>I see the value for someone who doesn’t know or want to fuss with running their own VM in the cloud, but given the usage of LLM these days… But, one only needs a bit of education to take control into their hands.
Some (or maybe even most) people just want something that works, without dealing with the maintenance.
You'd be surprised how many people pay hundreds of bucks per year for hosting wordpress sites that are completely static with 0 updates. Sites that can easily be hosted as static for free on codeberg (or github pages if you are a sociopath). The local peanut butter manufacturing facility with photos of their jars and no backend logic required type-of-sites.
If you'd like an EU hosted Git Forge to back it, Codefloe offers a free built-in integration with no restriction on personal or private repositories.<p><a href="https://docs.codefloe.com/pages/" rel="nofollow">https://docs.codefloe.com/pages/</a>
Why would i use codefloe and not a more reputable non-profit provider like codeberg/disroot/framagit?<p>It says it's community owned, but i only see one codefloe team member on the forums and a few people (like you). I didn't find any good community rules or pricing, any political statement about the mission, etc. The only thing i found deep in the comments is that it seems to be for people who <i>don't</i> want FLOSS? Also the pricing mentions mixing a non-profit and a for-profit for the best of both worlds, which as Mozilla has shown is a potentially tragic strategy.<p>To be clear, i'm in favor of more non-profit hosts. But from reading the site i'm not convinced this one is actually for-profit, what the community stands for, and whether i'm the target audience.
Codeberg does not permit personal repos, it is strictly for open source project communities. Also, it is painfully slow if you are working in a repo of any size. Codefloe is professionally hosted on a robust platform - it could probably support about 10x the volume Codeberg has currently with good performance. I have not used the other options you mentioned but I've long admired what Framasoft is doing.<p>I'm not sure where you'd get the idea that Codefloe is for people who don't want FOSS. There are hundreds of open source repos. There are also a lot of personal projects, and probably some commercial ones as well.<p>What they don't want, is an ideology that restricts the types of projects hosted there. Its available for all software projects. Most of their user base are just using the service - and that is really the point. Similar to how most users on Lichess are there to play chess, not to talk about hosting chess servers.<p>They are owned by a commercial entity, devXY but they are not profit seeking. They need donations to cover costs but are willing to give that time to build up. There are some regular donors[1], but they are not yet covering all costs [2].<p>They publish a report every quarter where you can see usage figures.<p><a href="https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/reports/2026-Q2/quarterly_report.md" rel="nofollow">https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/repo...</a><p>They also publish detailed cost analytics and donations:<p>[2] <a href="https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/reports/costs/cost_summary.md" rel="nofollow">https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/repo...</a><p>[1] <a href="https://en.liberapay.com/codefloe/" rel="nofollow">https://en.liberapay.com/codefloe/</a>
The amount of Codeberg FUD one can encounter on HN is unreal. I'm starting to question whether there's an organized effort behind it.<p>Both personal and private repos are explicitly permitted in the Codeberg TOS:<p>> Private repositories[…] allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage.
As if there wasn't a massive amount of nuance between "you may keep your dotfiles private but don't upload your photo library". If their rules read this arbitrary, I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further.<p>Assume you did some local LLM stuff in June that worked with a 200MB set of various jpegs and you wanted to keep it private: Is this still legit in September 2026? I wouldn't rely on it.
> , I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further.<p>Yeah, I think this is a win-win for both parties.<p>You strike me as someone who would "ride along the lines of the terms of service" basically, and you'll see anything not explicitly forbidden as being allowed essentially.<p>While Codeberg is a project driven by humans, with human reactions to what's happening. If you're not comfortable with rules not being 100% defined, and requiring a humans value judgement to be had to figure out if the rule is broken or not, I don't think Codeberg is for you.<p>The rest of us, who are OK with humans making decisions rather than just going by what's written in rules, are fine with this, because we know our private repositories won't be deleted. And if they are, you'll be able to speak with a human to explain, and if your intention is fine and good, they'll be OK with it. But if you try to argue about some "That wasn't explicitly stated", then yeah, they'll probably get tired of you quickly.<p>Think your participating in your local user group vs some corporate/government forum, the rules will be enforced differently.
> "ride along the terms of service"<p>By using AI to write code, like virtually everyone does? Tell me, what indication was there in their TOS, that this might be close to a line?
Do X in whatever way you want, if you do so knowing it's against the terms of service, you're "riding along the line of the terms of service" for sure if you try to explain away how it is/isn't explicitly forbidden.
Why do you assume they will be ok with it?<p>They recently made some very ideological decisions…
> journal .. config file .. ideas or notes<p>So, not code for personal projects? Right? A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted.<p>More to the point of this thread - there is no specific affordance for a personal website.
Haven't used Codefloe but at least they're not restricting what projects you can host with them. I don't see any preachy neo-Luddite "don't use AI" or "no private repos pls" messaging on their site.
I've been looking for a new static host recently since Netlify raised prices and is terrible at preventing bot traffic. Here was my assessment of Netlify from the perspective of a small customer who just wants static hosting (and not build minutes).<p>Pros:<p>- Run by a single person, so customer service is responsive and comprehensive<p>- Focused mainly on static hosting without extra complexity<p>Cons:<p>- Run by a single person, so increased outage risks<p>- No support for MFA<p>- The upload process unconditionally uploads every file rather than an rsync-like sync of only the changed files, which is a pain for my large sites that only change incrementally<p>- Bot scraper protection is not included (they'll do it for an additional fee)<p>- Bundles together site builds and hosting, but I only want hosting
So, just as a curiosity, why don't you create a $5/month VPS or something even cheaper, throw nginx/apache/caddy on there, make it fetch from a git repository once a minute or whatever, then call it a day? What does the service need to provide for it to be worth paying so much more for?<p>This $5/month VPS can effectively handle hosting 100s of static websites for you without breaking a sweat, unless you're doing something seriously wrong.
I'm hosting my static site (<a href="https://rz01.org" rel="nofollow">https://rz01.org</a>) there and am super happy with the free plan and the support I got from Eric. It's free, it's fast, it's in the EU.
I’m a happy OVH user, their free static hosting (part of their paid domain service) is enough for my needs. I’ve been using that platform for more than 10 years now. At the same time I like that there are more alternatives.
My issue with OVH is the support is God awful and half French. Someone made a complaint about my server and their default stance was to nuke me from orbit and ask questions later.<p>Oh and their "data centers" are just shipping containers that are prone to the occasional fire.<p>Much happier with Hetzner, even though it's more expensive.
I partially agree with the first part, but:<p><pre><code> > Oh and their "data centers" are just shipping containers that are prone to the occasional fire.
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AFAIK they have a very limited number of DC built reusing shipping containers, most of them, including the ones built in the last ten years, are regular buildings built from scratch or repurposed.<p>AFAIK there have been ONE instance of a DC taking fire, and it wasn't built from containers.<p><a href="https://lafibre.info/ovh-datacenter/incendie-sur-un-site-ovh-a-strasbourg/" rel="nofollow">https://lafibre.info/ovh-datacenter/incendie-sur-un-site-ovh...</a>
I've had a few complaints, few auto-detections, managed to clear it all up quite easily thankfully.<p>However their IPv6 /128 allocation is horrendous. But I don't know anyone who does it all actually better.
I like it. But not 100% EU. Status page sends data to Google, Doubleclick, etc (1)<p>"In Brief: statichost.eu does not collect or share any personal information or data. " (2)<p>Every page contains a hidden 1px pixel img that collects 15+ parameters: <a href="https://queue.simpleanalyticscdn.com/simple.gif?version=cdn_latest_11&hostname=www.statichost.eu&ua=...5&https=true&timezone=...&sri=false&path=%2Fprivacy%2F&viewport_width=...&viewport_height=...&language=en&screen_width=...&screen_height=...&unique=true&id=...&type=pageview&referrer=statichost.eu%2Fterms%2F&time=" rel="nofollow">https://queue.simpleanalyticscdn.com/simple.gif?version=cdn_...</a>...<p>1. <a href="https://status.statichost.eu" rel="nofollow">https://status.statichost.eu</a><p>2. <a href="https://www.statichost.eu/privacy/" rel="nofollow">https://www.statichost.eu/privacy/</a>
I think you are picking on the product by sharing a (real) critique of the marketing website.<p>The product says "100% European static website hosting" it does not make any promise about the actual marketing website they have that will be privacy protected.<p>So yes, you are right they used in their marketing website maybe some trackers and even so based on the link you shared here they seem to use <a href="https://www.simpleanalytics.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.simpleanalytics.com/</a> which sounds okish than any other trackers and it might even be also EU hosted:
"We're a three-person team based in the Netherlands, building privacy-first analytics for the web"
That pixel seems to just gather standard data one might want to optimise the site display. I think display port size or http/s choice is hardly personal data.<p>Yes such info can be used to track people, but only if you have the database and means to - which a single small provider certainly doesn't. So unless you think this data is being sold for profiling I don't think that their claim is false.
Perhaps I read it wrong, but to me this means "does not collect ... data". In fact, the site uses a third-party service, which obviously sends the IP address.<p>Finally, the `id` and `unique` string parameters look like something specifically designed to track people.
Significantly too expensive for most users. I understand that they target agencies, but most users would prefer less and pay by site instead of paying 120 EUR / year for unlimited sited<p>Also the traffic cost is ridiculously high. Even AWS (which is often criticized for their high traffic cost) does not bill traffic below 10 TB (20 times higher) and then cost 0.1 EUR / 10 GB (10 times lower)
Out of curiosity, does a Ltd from the UK counts as EU nowadays after the brexit?
No? This company is based in Sweden, right?<p>That being said, the only reference to the EU is the domain itself - everything else says European, and the UK didn't move during Brexit.
The website says European not EU. UK is without much doubt in europe.
> You can register and use a .eu domain if you are an EU or EEA citizen regardless of where you live, a resident in the European Union or European Economic Area, or a business or organization established within the EU/EEA.<p>UK is neither.
No. No EU no EEA. Hard brexit. "European continent" has nothing to do with the .eu domain, which is restricted to EU citizens and businesses.
> No AWS, no Cloudflare, no exceptions.<p>I'm so tired.
You‘re not just tired, you’re exhausted.
and i'm so tired of the majority of the world centralizing and funneling their internet through either or both of these
Looks interesting and serves a real need. However, pricing tiers seem a bit steep, especially for folks who don't need the build step to happen on the host.<p>Also, at least according to the docs, ssh cert based authentication and password based authentication, but no support for public key based authentication?
> Not just servers in Europe. A European company, European infrastructure, and European values<p>Needs to also run on European CPUs such as SiPearl Rhea1 :)
Guys. Your top menu doesn’t even fit on mobile properly.<p>The spacing of every element on the site is different and inconsistent.<p>Everything about this site looks cheap and unconsidered.<p>Design is important and builds (or loses) trust.<p>It would take you at most an hour to make this site actually look nice.
I just had to go check out your site with that comment. Nicely done! Was waiting for the physics simulation to either fully settle or explode, but really neither of those happened.
It's the Geocities design philosophy. Worked stupendously for lingscars.
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Par for the course for EU businesses, I'm all too familiar with this.<p>Having said that, wrapping is a totally acceptable way to display menus rather than sticking everything in a burger.
Wait, so Europeans dont want to use github pages? And would rather pay 9 euros/month?
As an american, I'd rather pay than use github's free pages.<p>I'd go with sourcehut's pages @ €4 per month over statichost if I wanted to specifically go EU. (If not I'd go with nearlyfreespeech for $2ish per month.)
> Wait, so Europeans dont want to use github pages?<p>Yes<p>> And would rather pay 9 euros/month?<p>No
Wow, yeah. I need to start offering static hosting for like $.99 (although then micropayments become an issue...) As is, I host like 100 business' sites on my VPS and only recently surpassed 1% bandwidth.
As a European I can only say I would rather pay 9€ monthly to European company than even receiving 5€ from USA<p>I self-host my application so I don't have need for such service but if I couldn't I would pay 9€
For less than a cup of coffee yeah.
The name though, took me 5 reads to finally see "static host" there
It sucks that we got to "European" being used as a main selling point.
However, I am not sure why European mass surveillance and imperialism are supposed to be any better than those of any other country. Somehow that never gets answered on sites like that.
Especially when it's hosted in the UK.
should come with a pack of cigarettes and a copy of SAS volumes 1-7
OT: is Cloudflare not offering Pages anymore?<p>I logged into CF dashboard the other day and was super confused because it appears to be replaced by Workers.
The legacy option still exists but they don’t make it obvious.<p>Computer > Workers & Pages > Create Application > under “Make something new” container there’s a link “Continue to Pages”
From April 8, 2025:<p><a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/full-stack-development-on-cloudflare-workers/" rel="nofollow">https://blog.cloudflare.com/full-stack-development-on-cloudf...</a>
Pages is essentially discontinued and replaced by workers.<p>Stuff like Astro comes with Workers support.<p>They also have <a href="https://www.cloudflare.com/drop/" rel="nofollow">https://www.cloudflare.com/drop/</a>
It's under Compute → Workers & Pages because Cloudflare has a confusing UI.
UniFi and Cloudflare have interesting design philosophies where every time I load them up there's an entirely new experience waiting for me.
its like a retail store where they force you to walk through the chips and chocolates to get to the fruit and veg... just in case you didnt know how yummy chips and chocolates are...
How does it compare to neocities.org, which is sadly not EU?
It seems to be more focused on business static hosting, which Neocities definitely is not. There's at least a dozen business static web hosting solutions out there and we're happy to share space with them.<p>Aside from that, it's claiming to be based in Europe instead of the US and proposing that as the value proposition. We have servers all over the world, including in Europe, but we're required to be in the US for the pretty simple reason that we live here, and nobody in Europe has offered me citizenship yet (by all means!)<p>I've explored potentially operating out of other countries when crazy internet regulations come up but in practice, crazy internet regulations is currently, unfortunately, a bi-partisan, multi-country phenomenon, and I wouldn't bank on being "based in Europe" to solve this.<p>I also wouldn't assume that being based in Europe will prevent the US from enforcing a law on a platform either. US companies still have to adhere to European internet laws if they want to operate there. If we used cookies for anything except session login, we would need to do a cookie pop-up like most other sites do.<p>It might help me to understand the concern if I was given a specific internet law. If your concern is age check IDing for example, how are you more concerned about the US states than the entire country of France, which is attempting to do the same thing?
The pricing is bananas. Why on earth is the bandwidth metered?<p>An EU tiny VPS on Scaleway with unlimited bandwidth costs 5€. This thing costs 9€. With limited bandwidth.<p>?!
> <i>An EU tiny VPS on Scaleway with unlimited bandwidth costs 5€. This thing costs 9€. With limited bandwidth.</i><p>statichost.eu is a CDN,[0] not a single static host. Your VPS is the single point of failure, so if that one system goes down, your site is offline.<p>With a VPS, you'd also have to roll your own atomic updates, which is not the hardest thing in the world, but it's also not trivial.<p>Compare it to static hosting pricing at Netlify, Firebase Hosting, and Vercel, and it's competitive, but you should expect to pay more for a service run by a small vendor who doesn't have the economies of scale or VC money that the bigger competitors have.<p>[0] They're an abstraction on top of Bunny, who provides the actual CDN, statichost assumes responsibility for providing the CDN regardless of underlying infrastructure.
Netlify and vercel have a generous free tier, I never paid a dime. What you might eventually pay for in those services is the exceptional DX, which this amateurish service will never get close to.<p>All this to say that 9€/month is way too expensive.
What's the price that you expect to pay to a service run by a single person that has to keep your website available 24/7?<p>I get frustrated that people seem pretty aware of the enshittification and centralization of large services, but when an indie vendor pops up that can fill a niche, people expect it to have all the bells and whistles of a billion dollar company and also give everything away for free.<p>If you have a just for fun website, then yeah, hop around the free tiers of whatever hosting service. If you're running any kind of online business, the difference between free and 9€/month for web hosting is a rounding error to pretty much any other business expenses you have.<p>Also, keep in mind that on the 9€/month plan, that's the max you pay. With Vercel, Netlify, Firebase, etc., if you get hit with a bot attack, they come after you for $100k+ and you have to beg on social media for them to call off the collectors.[0]<p>[0] <a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1b14bty/netlify_just_sent_me_a_104k_bill_for_a_simple/" rel="nofollow">https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1b14bty/netlify_jus...</a>
I checked yesterday because they were about to close my account and found Scaleway is a bit expensive.<p>Just checked again and found a DEV configuration for ~€6.55 and STARDUST for ~€0.43 which is interesting.
But it’s in the EU! Which is obviously extremely important for <i>static</i> hosting.
wtf is a build minute and why is it metered
The 9€/mo price point seems weird, considering its "just" static hosting and i can get a decently sized VPS for that money (yes, also from a EU host).
Does it automatically generate a TLS certificate? I didn't find documentation about that, just that you can setup your own domain.<p>Seems really cool!
My hosting is rv2 in my meterkast from by cf which costs 0 eurohryvnias.
Looked cool at first, but that FreeSewing logo scared me away.
hold on there, nobody is mentioning AI here? :-D
Obligatory as always: <a href="https://european-alternatives.eu/categories" rel="nofollow">https://european-alternatives.eu/categories</a>
Doesn’t say anything about how much of storage is offered for any plan.
> Not just servers in Europe. A European company<p>Come on, even the claim is sloppified!
It's not this, it's that!
As an european I approve of the claim being "Its not this, its that", because for once its an actual good use of it, as many things claim to be european when in actuality they are american companies, hosting their stuff in an aws/azure european data region, so not really european at all.
Their certificate is issued by Let's Encrypt ...
No /cgi-bin/ directory? I am disappointed. ;-) Greetz to Sweden!
Before any other consideration, I love <i>love</i> LOVE the record-short terms.<p>I'll bookmark it just for that.
> 100 build minutes<p>Er, what? A static site has no build on server.
A static site could be built from source on the server
Many static sites are made using a static site generator, which turns input files into a static site in a build phase.
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Huh, why not 100%? Both Germany and United Kingdom is in Europe, last time I checked. Bunny is located Slovenia as well, also Europe.
.eu just implies something different.<p>Imagine subscribing to <i>patriotcrm.us</i> (Tagline: "100% American made & hosted") and then finding out its servers are located in Mexico.
.eu implies (well, requires) the business entity itself is located within the EU/EEA, it doesn't imply that all infrastructure is hosted within the EU, I'm not sure where you'd get that from.<p>Just like .us doesn't imply everything is 100% hosted within the US, that the CDN has servers in Mexico too is fine, as long as the business entity itself is actually in the US.
Many people can't tell EU and Europe apart.
There is something special about the combination of people posting something thinking it's some gotcha, then they completely misunderstood both what the thing is, and what they're trying to point out, hilarious.
...European values, and requires eu tax number, eu payment card only, eu sanctions, eu censorship, eu prices(high), and residence permit of course.<p>Immediately blocked for half year until they think if you can have that site.
Europe enters the static file hosting space.<p>Meanwhile, Europe's most promising aerospace company just left for USA.<p><a href="https://www.heartaerospace.com/newsroom/heart-aerospace-relocates-corporate-headquarters-to-los-angeles-california" rel="nofollow">https://www.heartaerospace.com/newsroom/heart-aerospace-relo...</a>
Nope, Airbus are still safely headquartered in Netherlands.
"Just" and "Published April 30, 2025" seem a bit contradictory.
Swedish company, nice.<p>But "European values" seems to be a non-statement.<p>Doesn't European also possibly mean St. Petersburg, Malta, Cyprus, Istanbul, Greenland, or Switzerland? I.e. being not the same as EU hosting?
Greenland is not part of Europe. But they are part of "Rigsfællesskabet" (The Kingdom of Denmark). So part of Denmark but with a high degree of autonomy.<p>Regarding "European values", I think they are just Western values but with a twist away from the US version. In my layman view, that means: Europe values citizen privacy more, US values citizen freedoms more, Europe values environment more, US values businesses more.<p>Until recently I would have said Europe values diplomacy more, while US values military power more. But now I dont know about that.
It’s obvious and implied that “European” here means “EU”, especially when talking about values.<p>Low effort comment.
I don't trust anything governed by the EU government, they will censor/take down anything that's even mildly inconvenient for them.