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  • m1328 hours ago
    Note that, unlike Corellium, this isn&#x27;t about emulating an iPhone. Apple is providing an iOS kernel for Virtualization.framework in PCC&#x2F;cloudOS images and this project pairs it with the iOS user-space and patches to make everything run. Applications can very easily tell it apart from the real thing.<p>More details here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wh1te4ever&#x2F;super-tart-vphone-writeup" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wh1te4ever&#x2F;super-tart-vphone-writeup</a>
    • thenewwazoo2 hours ago
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      • ewjt2 hours ago
        The handle is publicly[1] tied to a South Korean security researcher, and there’s no evidence that it refers to white supremacy.<p>[1] “CVE-2025-43347: JZ, Seo Hyun-gyu (@wh1te4ever)”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;125115?utm_source=chatgpt.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;125115?utm_source=chatgpt.co...</a>
        • thenewwazoo1 hour ago
          Even if this person <i>is</i> South Korean and didn’t just adopt a pseudonym as a fig leaf, that’s not an affirmative defense against being a white supremacist.<p>The evidence is <i>prima facie</i>, it’s right there in the name. “14” is a famous-enough racist dog whistle it’s got a Wikipedia page, and when paired with “white forever” it ceases to be a dog whistle.
          • ripbozo1 hour ago
            You are expecting everyone to be as aware of these issues as you are. I don&#x27;t think white supremacy has as large of a share of the mindspace in south korea as you think - not every issue (even if it has a wikipedia page!) is burned into everyone&#x27;s mind across the globe. But I am happy to hear that every time you pick a username, you make sure it is free of dog whistles in all cultures and that the letters and numbers cannot be picked out or rearranged in a way that hints at one.
  • root987617 hours ago
    &gt; during iOS setup, don&#x27;t pick Japan or the EU as your region (extra regulatory checks the VM can&#x27;t satisfy)<p>I&#x27;m curious what are these checks
    • benoau16 hours ago
      It will be to prevent access to third-party app stores as both the EU and Japan legislated they must be allowed.<p>&gt; In a support document about alternative app marketplaces in the EU, Apple explained that “device eligibility for alternative app marketplaces is determined using on-device processing with only an indicator of eligibility sent to Apple.” In practice, iOS users in the EU who want to install alternative marketplaces will need to set the country or region of their Apple ID to an eligible country or region. Moreover, they will also need to be physically located in supported EU countries.<p>&gt; In the case iOS users in the EU leave eligible regions, Apple will offer a “grace period” until apps downloaded from alternative app stores can no longer be updated. “If you’re gone for too long, you’ll lose access to some features, including installing new alternative app marketplaces. Apps you installed from alternative app marketplaces will continue to function, but they can’t be updated by the marketplace you downloaded it from,” the company explained.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thurrott.com&#x2F;apple&#x2F;298862&#x2F;apple-adds-some-conditions-for-using-alternative-app-stores-on-ios" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thurrott.com&#x2F;apple&#x2F;298862&#x2F;apple-adds-some-condit...</a>
      • dingdongditchme14 hours ago
        Wait so a third party app-store is allowed in the EU? I was not aware these even existed...
        • xkgt14 hours ago
          It is wild that Apple finds it cheaper to build and maintain different App store behaviors than to simplify and make alt app stores available in all markets. Other governments&#x2F;markets don&#x27;t care?
          • benoau13 hours ago
            It&#x27;s a very slow process, first there is investigations, then legislation, then enactment, then enforcement which is separately a very slow process. It requires a lot of willpower to get and keep the ball rolling and in fact nobody has even achieved the full extent of what they require yet! The EU may still be years away from meaningful compliance, Japan has only taken baby steps forming a new bureau just to enforce compliance <i>of two companies</i> widely accused of malicious compliance.<p>And then there is additional discouragement and pressure in the form of sanction and trade deal threats for regulating American tech platforms.
            • exe3412 hours ago
              &gt; And then there is additional discouragement and pressure in the form of sanction and trade deal threats for regulating American tech platforms.<p>What people don&#x27;t realise is that local companies aren&#x27;t just competing with each other, they&#x27;re competing against the US military.
          • surajrmal12 hours ago
            Who said it&#x27;s cheaper?
          • tonyhart714 hours ago
            &quot;Other governments&#x2F;markets don&#x27;t care?&quot;<p>its the least of their problems
            • grim_io13 hours ago
              There&#x27;s an endless supply of bodies of water to be renamed.
              • tonyhart711 hours ago
                Tel Aviv would be proud for your government
                • nkmnz2 hours ago
                  At least you can be proud in Tel Aviv using a rainbow instead of the color of your skin.
        • aaronbrethorst14 hours ago
          Since 2024: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macstories.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;altstore-is-now-available-in-the-eu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macstories.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;altstore-is-now-available-in...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;altstore.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;altstore.io</a>
          • DANmode13 hours ago
            Any working way to spoof your locale to trick this into any form of usability?
            • surajrmal12 hours ago
              You need to fake the cell towers and change your accounts billing address. It&#x27;s not trivial.
            • aaronbrethorst13 hours ago
              I have never tried. I&#x27;m sure there are some reddit threads about this though.
        • f6v6 hours ago
          It’s like a cookie banner. Absolutely useless initiative.
          • roblabla6 hours ago
            As someone using AltStore PAL to install some third-party apps that would never be allowed on the App Store (such as emulators and manga readers), I heavily disagree.
    • astafrig15 hours ago
      In addition to the third-party installation capability mentioned by siblings, Japan also has a regional capability for reassigning the side button to a third-party voice assistant (`com.apple.developer.side-button-access.allow`).
      • ajaieadad910 hours ago
        I also found out the Chinese version has the ability to block an app for accessing both mobile data and Wifi&#x2F;WLAN data.<p>All other versions only allow denying mobile data to an app, not Wifi.<p>I really wish there was a way to enable this feature.
        • tancop6 hours ago
          Xiaomi phones support it in all regions. Think about it, a company famous for putting ads in system apps has the feature but &quot;privacy conscious&quot; Apple literally put in extra work to disable it everywhere it&#x27;s not legally required.
          • close042 hours ago
            That iOS toggle isn’t about privacy but about mobile data usage. Users with data caps can limit the usage for non-essential or high data volume apps (streaming or cloud storage apps come to mind).
            • mthoms1 hour ago
              I think the point is that the code path to deny network access for arbitrary apps exists (at least according to this comment):<p>&gt; I also found out the Chinese version has the ability to block an app for accessing both mobile data and Wifi&#x2F;WLAN data.<p>Yet Apple is choosing not to enable it for everyone. It seems like it would be an easy and obvious privacy win, no?
        • TalkingCodeMonk8 hours ago
          This is a strong indicator that Apple&#x27;s privacy claims are little more than a virtue signal. Network sandboxing an app is arguably the strongest privacy protection measure possible.
    • rootnod316 hours ago
      For Japan it might be the Felica chip.
      • koito1714 hours ago
        That would surprise me. I don&#x27;t recall having to change my iPhone&#x27;s region after moving to Japan. Transport IC cards in Apple Pay have &quot;just worked&quot;.<p>I am vaguely aware that some phone manufacturers silently remove certain NFC hardware (or disable some driver) in order to avoid paying Sony patent fees. Apple doesn&#x27;t seem to do that, though.
        • robert-boehnke9 hours ago
          There were iPhones with Japan-specific hardware for transit cards in the past but as of a couple years ago, all iPhones have been compatible.
    • amelius8 hours ago
      I&#x27;m tired of Apple and its stupid rules, and its arrogant assumption that it is better than a democracy.
      • close042 hours ago
        Companies have never been “democracies”. Most companies are more like dictatorships internally (for employees) and past a certain size also externally (for customers). Everything is dictated by a small group of leaders and shareholders not chosen by either employees or customers.<p>If you really want to imagine them like democracies, you are voting with your wallet. Maybe you’re just in the minority.
        • amelius14 minutes ago
          Nobody said companies _are_ democracies ... you&#x27;re reading something that is not there.<p>The point is that Apple thinks it can somehow bend the rules of the EU that were established democratically. As if users are better off with Apple&#x27;s rules.
  • hamandcheese16 hours ago
    This seams neat, but I&#x27;m not sure I understand the purpose&#x2F;difference between this and using the iOS simulator.
    • restes16 hours ago
      The iOS Simulator consists of (some of) the userspace components of iOS compiled to run on macOS. This would be a full iPhone image running as-is via virtualization.
      • RussianCow16 hours ago
        That explains the difference, but what&#x27;s the purpose?
        • whynotmaybe15 hours ago
          The simulator doesn&#x27;t have a camera. The android emulator allows to configure the camera and use a picture, it&#x27;s very handy to test your qr&#x2F;barcode reader without needing to use a physical device. Maybe this also allows to use an image as camera?
        • landr0id11 hours ago
          It&#x27;s useful for security research since you can do kernel debugging and inspection of the device not possible in the simulator.<p>As others pointed out it&#x27;s also useful for e.g. click&#x2F;spam farms which need a &quot;real&quot; iPhone.
        • a01215 hours ago
          You can test your application, game, website without a physical phone?
          • leoh15 hours ago
            Can do that with the simulator too
            • cfn10 hours ago
              I have had instances where the app runs fine on the simulator but crashes on the device. This might solve that.
            • refulgentis15 hours ago
              Running on ported userspace components, with a shim, isn&#x27;t the same as running on the OS in itself.<p>That <i>really</i> matters, <i>some</i>times.<p>But not the vast majority of the time.<p>(source: been coding iOS since pre-SDK iPhone OS 1.0)
              • RussianCow15 hours ago
                Can you give some examples of where it matters? I&#x27;m genuinely curious.
                • afavour7 hours ago
                  It’s been years but I ran into a problem with a notification extension years ago. Worked fine on simulator, not on device. Turned out it was because I was using a HEIF image and (I think) the on-device extension was trying to use hardware decoding and didn’t have access to it. Meanwhile the simulator had no such sandboxing restrictions.<p>The difference doesn’t matter until it does, and then it’s infuriating to work out what’s going on.
                • bradfitz14 hours ago
                  Last I checked, VPN network extensions wouldn&#x27;t run in the simulator.
                • DonHopkins5 hours ago
                  Testing AR apps, or any app that relies on hardware you can&#x27;t simulate easily.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=T43b5ywnYpo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=T43b5ywnYpo</a>
              • dingdongditchme14 hours ago
                Is the simulator faster than this? I would suspect so.
        • gcampos15 hours ago
          You cannot run Network Extensions on the simulator
        • VladVladikoff15 hours ago
          Spam. Click farms. Etc.
          • trollbridge15 hours ago
            It would also make testing far easier. I got bit with something that failed on real life iPhones with language set to es_US that worked fine on the simulator.
          • trueno13 hours ago
            oh. is this why icloud spam texts are running wild now
            • greggsy13 hours ago
              No, it’s just trivial to generate iCloud email addresses that won’t get picked up by spam filter.
        • leoh15 hours ago
          If functional, you can download apps from the App Store, sign in to iCloud.. probably do a bunch of agentic stuff as if you had a real device
          • Sajarin15 hours ago
            Looks like apple services compatibility is not currently supported for this [0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Lakr233&#x2F;vphone-cli&#x2F;discussions&#x2F;175" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Lakr233&#x2F;vphone-cli&#x2F;discussions&#x2F;175</a>
            • discordance12 hours ago
              If you read a bit further, there&#x27;s a jailbroken variant that has Sileo and Trollstore installed, so you can run whatever IPAs
              • QuantumNomad_7 hours ago
                Where?<p>Edit: ah now I see, in the main readme under heading Firmware Variants. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Lakr233&#x2F;vphone-cli#firmware-variants" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Lakr233&#x2F;vphone-cli#firmware-variants</a>
            • rvz14 hours ago
              Exactly. It means it cannot download apps from the App Store or use Apple services and Apple knows this deliberate limitation.
    • dagmx12 hours ago
      The simulator is a different SDK target than iOS itself.<p>You have to compile completely independently for it, and depending on your dependencies they may not compile for the simulator.<p>Additionally the simulator runs a really ancient and feature restricted version of Metal. That means you can’t test a lot of graphical things that the hardware actually supports. I’m not sure if this supports GPU passthrough but the macOS VMs do, so that alone would be a huge improvement if possible.
    • speedyapoc14 hours ago
      Looks like this tool can provide a jailbroken environment for the latest iOS versions whereas one does not exist on iOS simulator or a real device
    • zffr13 hours ago
      Here are some reasons to use this instead of the simulator: security research, testing, automation
    • ChrisMarshallNY15 hours ago
      The simulator is a completely different OS. It may even still be using Intel.<p>I always figured that Apple never set up a true emulator (like what Android does), because they didn&#x27;t want people exploring their OS with a debugger.
      • kridsdale115 hours ago
        Incorrect. The iOS simulator is and always has been, simply iOS frameworks running fully natively on macOS. It’s best to think of it as an alternative window managers but the apps are native Mac processes. They can be seen and debugged via the terminal using top and ps and lldb alongside all other processes. They just present gui via the Simulator Mac app container.<p>They do not live in a VM and are certainly not emulated at an instruction set level. They are Mac apps.
        • ChrisMarshallNY15 hours ago
          Ah. That makes sense.<p>I would think that &quot;Mac apps,&quot; means that they are, actually, a different OS (I actually already knew that, which was why I said what I said. The Intel thing was a spitball).<p>But one of the few joys geeks get, these days, is telling other geeks they are wrong, so I feel as if I’ve done my bit to make this a happier place.
  • dsalzman2 hours ago
    I better not get more spam iMessages!!
  • thomc7 hours ago
    Fantastic project, I use it regularly to test apps and there is a vphone-mcp which allows agents to control it, take screenshots and navigate the UI!
  • discordance6 hours ago
    Is this safe?<p>There are some binaries in scripts&#x2F;resources that you need to run as root. No idea what&#x27;s inside them.
  • boredatoms18 hours ago
    Is this what apple does in xcode?
    • vlovich12317 hours ago
      If you’re talking about the simulator, no. That doesn’t virtualize - it literally just runs it locally on your machine. Less RAM overhead and CPU since it uses your normal instruction set and doesn’t run a separate kernel and userspace.
      • valleyer17 hours ago
        At least historically, it actually did run its own entire userspace, including daemons (all the way to launchd, IIRC), etc. All compiled for Intel, back in the day. Shared the kernel though.<p>Many of the nominally shared system pieces between Mac and iPhone (like Foundation) actually had many subtle compile-time differences.
      • theflyestpilot17 hours ago
        so can this receive web push notifications?
  • chews17 hours ago
    What a release! Congrats to the builder, lots of great work done here and in IOS profiling in general has been done here recently. Corellium went research only and I lost the ability to actually profile my applications the way I&#x27;d like. I&#x27;ve got a fun thing over coffee in the morning!
    • krackers16 hours ago
      Feels weird that after their attempts to shut down corellium they themselves shipped the necessary bits to allow this<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wh1te4ever&#x2F;super-tart-vphone-writeup" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wh1te4ever&#x2F;super-tart-vphone-writeup</a>
    • sumedh14 hours ago
      Will this project make it easier to performance test Apps on the virtual iPhone?
      • chews8 hours ago
        Ya totally, it&#x27;s real hardware.... I mean, the PCC machines are actually m5&#x27;s but ya.
  • catlifeonmars13 hours ago
    Does this include a virtual baseband?
    • halfcat12 hours ago
      No, only virtual GarageBand
      • catlifeonmars40 minutes ago
        You have my angry upvote.<p>GarageBand is an excellent app.
  • zuzululu1 hour ago
    this is potentially useful for me do you know if this can fully handle callkit?
  • TylerJaacks17 hours ago
    This project is really cool its a shame you have to disable or partial disable SIP which can break some things.
    • fishfasell14 hours ago
      Yeah real shame that I know I could never run this on a corporate machine and only ever as a hobbyist.
      • sneak13 hours ago
        Have corporate buy you a research Air that isn’t on the MDM.
        • catoc12 hours ago
          If corporate wants they can still accept&#x2F;trust a machine with partially disabled SIP on the MDM
      • userbinator13 hours ago
        That means you&#x27;re working for the wrong companies ;-)
  • ironqcold17 hours ago
    Interesting project. If it actually works it opens up a ton of possibilities for testing and reverse engineering.
  • leke12 hours ago
    Can this be used to test the phone&#x27;s browser on localhost?
    • fredoliveira8 hours ago
      This is virtualization, so localhost will just be the virtual iphone itself. But you should have some command of how hosts are resolved, so you can always point the browser to the device hosting what you want to test, no?<p>Even easier, of course, is just using the iOS simulator included with xcode, which runs on your host computer. There, localhost resolves to your host computer.
  • dvduval15 hours ago
    Will there ever be a day where I could run this on a PC or something like it?
    • greggsy13 hours ago
      Probably not, but you can run it on a Mac today.
  • leoh15 hours ago
    Will Apple break this?
    • rvz14 hours ago
      They will find a way to break it.
  • orangea18 hours ago
    what is &quot;PCC&quot;?
    • busymom018 hours ago
      Private cloud compute I think. I learnt about it today too from this reddit post which mentions how:<p>&gt; At WWDC, Apple announced that starting in the 27.x versions of iOS, macOS, etc., devs would be able to call Private Cloud Compute directly from Swift with no additional API configuration. Presently, the only way to get free cloud inference is by joining the App Store Small Business Program.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;appledevelopers&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1vztibh&#x2F;reminder_take_advantage_of_the_app_store_small&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;appledevelopers&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1vztibh&#x2F;re...</a>
  • senor_digimon13 hours ago
    Can this be used for account recovery?
  • apksmb10 hours ago
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  • pranav_tech2613 hours ago
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