Here is the source: <a href="https://openai.com/index/disrupting-malicious-uses-of-ai-influence-campaign-russia/" rel="nofollow">https://openai.com/index/disrupting-malicious-uses-of-ai-inf...</a> and its discussion in HN: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49445252">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49445252</a>
what makes a thinktank fake?
no real authors?
the about page seems rather standard to me - <a href="https://hanoverinstitute.com/hanover/about" rel="nofollow">https://hanoverinstitute.com/hanover/about</a><p>Every thinktank has always been established to push some viewpoint.
The Guardian article states that it doesn't exist as a legal entity in any jurisdiction, has no listed physical address, no named staff and no bylines on any reports. Their terms of use reference the laws of "the state in which the Institute is established" which isn't named.<p>It seems very impressive when you open it. That appears to be the point: the Israeli government's position presented as neutral, academic policy research purpose built for search LLMs to scrape and serve up in an AI overview as fact.
I have to say that is almost an excellent point - think tanks are ultimately propaganda outfits, so it is hard to have a "fake" think tank which is merely that.<p>But in this case the "fake" label means that the think tank itself doesn't actually exist. The article expands on the topic with "apparently does not exist as a legal entity in any jurisdiction, has no physical address, and carries no named staff and no bylines on any of its reports".<p>So if they hired some people to set up the HIPP and posted the same material it'd be a real think tank, but because the institute doesn't seem to exist at all it is a fake think tank. That isn't a comment on the writing produced.
I think it's a misunderstanding of what is alleged here. It's not alleged that the website produces propaganda. It's alleged that the website is fake, designed to seem like a legitimate source of information where info about it is just not available, in order to get AI to scoop up what it writes and treat it like a legitimate source of information vs how it would treat a real think tank which has a point of view that's documented and known in the world<p>A real think tank with real authors and disclosed funding sources could have something one can learn about it and its political leanings. A fake one can seem impartial due to little info existing about it (since it's fake).
The main non-standard thing on that page is the attribution.<p>> This material is distributed by Piro, Inc. on behalf of Havas Media Germany GmbH on behalf of the Israel Government Advertising Agency (LaPam). Additional information is available at the Department of Justice, Washington, DC
> A pro-Israel messaging website badged with the name of a thinktank that does not exist<p>> The site publishes in the name of the Hanover Institute for Public Policy, which apparently does not exist as a legal entity in any jurisdiction, has no physical address, and carries no named staff and no bylines on any of its reports.<p>In the article, if you'd like to read it, it's quite informative about how AI poisoning or AI SEO will go forward in the coming years, imo
Just in case you were as confused as I was... There appear to be two completely different fake think tanks, reported almost simultaneously.<p>- International Burke Institute (IBI), Claims to be Israeli think tank, Funded by Russia. This one is ChatGPT generated promotion + fake institutional credibility.<p>- Hanover Institute for Public Policy, Claims to be US think tank, Israeli government funded. This one is deliberately publishing material optimized to influence/cite in LLM answers.
What's the difference between a fake thinktank and a real thinktank?
Criticizing Israel isn't allowed on HN
[dupe]<p>Discussions: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49337392">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49337392</a><p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49313477">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49313477</a>
This is the future and we all need to be working against it. Are there watchdogs measuring the response of each of the chat interfaces to detect this?<p>PS. Our US tax dollars are being used to do this. Defund Israel.
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On the Uyghur Genocide, we've seen aerial photography of the camps, images inside the camps, and survivors have testified before the UN on horrific accounts of abuse. Some of the most heinous stories I've ever read have come from that event, published by widely reputable outlets. Hard disagree that it's a government psyop.
Israel? more like the UK with the help of China
Who else but Quagmire
Whatever thoughts you're having right now are antisemitic.