12935 -> TIZZY (5625) -> OXBOW (2674) -> GRUFF (858) -> MAMMA (195) and I'll let you guess the rest but my next choice left 43 words, and I survived with only 4 words possible.<p>The rules not letting use a letter you know isn't in the target word drastically cuts your choices, your best bet is to use as few unique letters per word as you can, and as uncommon letters as you can, but as all normal words need vowels you'll be forced into only picking a vowel from the target word soon enough. Try to find letters that are in the word as late as possible so you're not locked into having to use them.<p>Once you are forced to use letters from the target word, avoid placing them in the right place. Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA), and a rule for not letting you put a known letter in a place you know it doesn't go (so after MAMMA, you can't have HALVE because you know there's not an A in second place, nor ALPHA because you know there's not an A in fifth place).
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA)<p>This is not entirely correct (or at least it's worded a bit weirdly).<p>If you know that A goes in a certain place you can still try a word using A more than once. It's only once you know that A does not appear twice (because you tried a word containing A twice, and the second A way gray!) then you can no longer use A twice.<p>In your case you tried MAMMA which contained 2 As and the second one gave you the information that there's no second A.
The best I could do with today's word, and the wordlist, but no scoring function to minmax the rules:<p>- FUFFY (8159) (shipping of Faith and Buffy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer)<p>- IMMIX (4544) (to mix or blend)<p>- ZOCCO (2142) (low plinth, from the Italian word for sock)<p>- QAJAQ (530) (alternative form of kayak)<p>- TRATT (155) (clipping of trattoria)<p>- KHAPH (7) (alternative form of khaf, the 11th letter of the Hebrew alphabet)<p>I get the feeling that if this game had 7 steps instead of 6, it would almost always be impossible.
Theoretically, you could still win today's if there were 8 steps. The ninth is the word you have to avoid.<p>I haven't found a way to win today with 9 steps.<p><a href="https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/b21723a0ba49c044b03a6030dc0e9857" rel="nofollow">https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/b21723a0ba49c044b03a6030dc...</a>
I had two word possibilities left at the end, so it's possible.
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA),<p>That rule doesn't make sense.<p>What if the answer is AORTA, and you want to guess ALBUM and then ALPHA?
The sibling comment pointed it out; MAMMA is revealed with one yellow A and one grey A, meaning it has told you there's only one A. If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow.
> If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow<p>Why would the last A be yellow and not green? It's the correct letter in the correct location. MAMMA should be gray, yellow, gray, gray, green.
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No reject all button means a closed tab.
Ublock seems to work with this one.
Wow I can't believe this showed up on the front page years later. That's fun! I am still new to using Google AdSense and am enjoying the wrath of HN on this thread! Hope everyone can still enjoy the game today. Thank you for the feedback!
We are asked to allow hundreds of cookies, not just a few, to play the game.
Nice. I play Last Word daily.<p><a href="https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/" rel="nofollow">https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/</a><p>It's the same goal, but everyone starts with the same word each day, which does not include any letters in the "last word".<p>No undos in Last Word. My average is 8.7 letters. Really hoping to get it to 9.
It took me a minute to find out that I needed to close the instructions to see the actual game. A Play button would have been nice.
Related:<p><i>Show HN: Can you lose at Wordle if you tried?</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31572258">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31572258</a> - May 2022 (236 comments)
Well this sure makes Wordle feel a lot easier!
I had to deny hundreds of
tracking “partners” wanting to place cookies - without a ‘reject all’ option - before I could even access the website…<p>So Don’t Access <i>Don’t Wordle</i>
Of course the one time I get it in 2 guesses is in this version
Like it, but would love a "No Undo" option, or at least, "don't force undo".<p>My friends and I share our wordle results daily. Would like to add this, but so that if you guess in three or four tries, that's OK, that's just your score for the day. Right now game <i>forces</i> me to undo if I have reduced option space to fewer words than there are remaining guesses, and that's <i>quite</i> annoying for how we'd want to play :)
<p><pre><code> * 12974
QAJAQ 1979
PZAZZ 861
OBANG 449
URARI 232
FLAFF 58
DWALM 10
</code></pre>
(totally didn't cheat: <a href="https://github.com/murfalo/dontwordle-assistant" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/murfalo/dontwordle-assistant</a>)
One thing I find odd about the rules: it forces you to respect what you've learned via green or yellow tiles, but not gray tiles. The spirit of the rules suggests once you've learned a letter is <i>not</i> in the word, you shouldn't be able to reuse that letter. Perhaps that would simply make the game too difficult, though.
It didn't let me guess things that had already been eliminated with gray tiles.
It does - you can type them but it rejects the word when you submit it.<p>I think this DOES make it way harder than regular wordle.
Isn't that rule 3?
Cool. Surprisingly difficult. I made an art game inspired by wordle some years ago. My dad and I still play it daily. <a href="https://artle.eu" rel="nofollow">https://artle.eu</a>
The ads, the banners. Immediate exit.
I tried playing this as if its wordle & got it in 2 guesses. How do they do this ??? That's next to impossible in wordle & the probalities seem like they should be the same?
By playing Wordle well, you are essentially eliminating as much unknown words as possible each turn, e.g., SALET alone takes 12974 words down to 34 here today.<p>But this is like Wordle hard mode with the forced letters, so the optimal strategy is probably to invert and <i>eliminate as little words as possible</i> each turn.<p>I got pretty far here using weird words, but PIZZA turned out to be a terrible first guess for Don't Wordle (eliminating ~75% of the words):<p><pre><code> * 12974
PIZZA 3169
AQUAS 290
SAWED 17
MEASE 7
LEASH 0</code></pre>
Wordle hard mode (which I play) generally limits you to a similar degree as this game - it's less strict programmatically, but anyone willingly opting into hard mode is likely following the same rules as are enforced here.<p>So it <i>should</i> be the same.<p>(assuming here that you're deliberately attempting to lose this game).
I think you really did just get lucky. It does pick a word up front at the start.
The game is cheating I guess
Some of the suggested plays for yellow EA and green H after the first guess:<p><pre><code> ALMEH
BEKAH
BELAH
DEASH
OBEAH
SELAH
</code></pre>
Not much fun to play with a dictionary like this :-/
This is a great demonstration of why Wordle’s Hard Mode is actually easier.
My problem with hard mode is it leaves a lot up to luck. If it was 3 letters and ended in “at” it could be pat, mat, bat, hat, cat, rat, sat, etc. so all you can do is to pick one and hope for the best.
I'd enjoy it if the rules with some graphics are displayed near the game, for newbies.<p>e.g. show a word with some green letters and that they have to be in the same spot in the other word. e.g. FUBAR with green B -> __B__<p>FUBAR with yellow R -> RRRR_ (with gray background and white R to signify "has to be placed somewhere here")<p>And for the gray letters, I guess.. show them next to the _____ in a trash can?
I sense this is not winnable for all Wordle dictionary words. Is that provably the case?
This is amazing, and incredible difficult (or I'm terrible), after ~10 minutes I can't even get in a third guess!
Funny idea, it turned out to be a bit more difficult than I thought
Clicked expecting commentary on why playing NYTs wordle, and perhaps other games, was problematic for some reason. Found a game instead.
I hope NYT lawyers don't come for you. They did for many other variants of this. Maybe reconsider the name?
Dang it. I accidentally got the word in two!!!
This is quite fun, but I can’t believe the amount of cookies it wants to set!
Is the word list complete?<p>I tried WEIRD and it rejected it as not a word
You can use hints, after that I could find the right sequence<p>trash
smash
abash
gnash
quash
clash
finally a game that respects that I already know all five-letter words and would rather be told not to use them
(Un)related; does anyone know where to play the non-NYT Wordle version?
I see that terrible cookie permission window (62 legitimate interest) and I close the window,
Unfortunately, my goto starter word is 4 green letters.<p>It's pretty frustrating to immediately lose, and then have to undo to find out what the word was.
It is too hard to be fun :P
What does "you have already eliminated the letter T" mean?
You already guessed a word that had a “T” in it, and the game confirmed that “T” is not in the word. So you can’t guess another word with a “T”.
The word doesn't contain the letter T.<p>It means you previously guessed a word with T in it and it wasn't marked at green (correct spot) or yellow (word contains letter in different spot).
got it on 2nd turn. I am terrible at this.
Legitimately a much better game than actual Wordle.
Disappointing that this seems to <i>only</i> be a "daily" game, and not have a "just play" mode that uses random words. First thing that I look for with any game that presents itself as "daily" is "where's the non-daily mode".
Be happ-ole?
(Insert whistling)
Ahahhaha funny! xD
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The goal isn't explained clearly and simply enough.
(meta comment) the chit chat about cookies is off topic and pointless