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  • throw0101d28 minutes ago
    From 2018, &quot;Sadly, Fiscal Restraint Is No Longer a Core Principle of the GOP&quot;:<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cato.org&#x2F;commentary&#x2F;sadly-fiscal-restraint-no-longer-core-principle-gop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cato.org&#x2F;commentary&#x2F;sadly-fiscal-restraint-no-lo...</a><p>When you&#x27;ve lost the Cato Institute…<p>More recently in 2025, &quot;The petrodollar, not GOP fiscal restraint, is what sustains our unsustainable debt&quot;:<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thehill.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;finance&#x2F;5465671-republican-fiscal-responsibility-illusion&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thehill.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;finance&#x2F;5465671-republican-fisca...</a><p>(Not that I believe the folks at the top at the GOP <i>really</i> cared about it.)
    • smallmancontrov9 minutes ago
      <p><pre><code> Democrats Change In Deficit ----------- -------- Joe Biden -$999B Barack Obama -$747B Bill Clinton -$383B Jimmy Carter +$25.3B Republicans Change In Deficit ----------- -------- Donald Trump +$2.108T George W. Bush +$1.541T George H. W. Bush +$102B Ronald Reagan +$73.7B Gerald Ford +$47.5B Richard Nixon +$9.4B Dwight Eisenhower -$3.2B</code></pre>
      • msandford5 minutes ago
        It would be nice to see change in debt numbers vs change in deficit numbers. I think only Clinton ran a surplus in the last 30 years.
        • smallmancontrov3 minutes ago
          Yep, and the last Republican to run a surplus was Eisenhower during FY 1960.
      • refurb7 minutes ago
        You need to adjust for inflation.<p>Also the correct measure is % of GDP
        • smallmancontrov1 minute ago
          Yeah but it makes the flip into and out of surplus in the Clinton years messy. I made the choice to cut out the %. The absolute numbers are sufficient to get the point across, and anyone who is actually interested in methodology (as opposed to politicking) will want to sweat more details than just referencing to GDP (e.g. cutoff points).
        • dataflow0 minutes ago
          [delayed]
      • petcat7 minutes ago
        You need to cite your sources and not just copy-paste an ascii table from ChatGPT
    • throwaway149210 minutes ago
      Former Republican here aka Rino. It’s easily explained; the GOP ceased to exist when they all fell in line with Trump first term. Trump threatened to to form his own party with his massive following and make the GOP the third choice on the ballot. Trumpism is not conservative in any sense; it’s jingoistic nationalism to benefit Trumps interest.
  • cmiles821 minutes ago
    Financial markets work in strange ways.<p>The markets generally respond to US concerns by buying more US treasuries. That’s counter-intuitive but reflects the situation that if things hit the fan they feel loaning the US money is still the safest place for their money.<p>For better or worse there’s unlikely to be a scenario where the US becomes insolvent but it’s not far worse for those outside the US.
    • crossroadsguy11 minutes ago
      May sound very similar but it&#x27;s more like if everything is going down, the strongest one is going to go down last. It&#x27;s not really &quot;unlikely to be a scenario where the US becomes insolvent&quot; — it&#x27;s that if it happens, it happens last. And a lot of that just has to be because the US &quot;owns&quot; the dollar, and the world ended up picking (let&#x27;s not get into how) the dollar as the reference point for their own currencies; aka everyone&#x27;s reserve currency.<p>So no matter how much the US fucks up, they just print more and more dollars and ensure the entire world collectively pays up for their fuck-ups. But if the US doesn&#x27;t fuck up and does something good, then the benefits of that? Oh, that&#x27;s a different story. No excessive benefit printing, no sir.<p>All hail exorbitant privilege.
    • root-parent16 minutes ago
      The US will become insolvent by trying to prop up Japan.<p>&quot;The Insane US-Japan Currency Bailout&quot; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;yh18YXKMk3g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;yh18YXKMk3g</a><p>Why does the US need to prop Japan? Because they are the biggest holder of US treasuries ...and if they need to prop up their own currency, they will need to sell them. &lt;Insert Pearl Harbor reference...&gt;
      • thephyber6 minutes ago
        Yes, and...<p>The US sold Euros to do the propping of Japanese bonds without telling the EU. Not only did we spend a lot to save our biggest sovereign buyer, but we undermined our relationship with another. And we didn&#x27;t buy the Japanese much time.<p>Worth mentioning that lots of buyers is jumping into Chinese bonds over the past week.<p>It feels like the BRICS are taking over as of this month.
        • petcat0 minutes ago
          At this point I think it&#x27;s obvious that USA views Japan and Korea as more important strategic partners than Europe and the EU. The pivot to Asia started happening a long time ago.
    • gruez15 minutes ago
      &gt;The markets generally respond to US concerns by buying more US treasuries. That’s counter-intuitive but reflects the situation that if things hit the fan they feel loaning the US money is still the safest place for their money.<p>I thought that dynamic broke down with the liberation day tariffs, where both stocks and bonds dropped at the same time?
  • root-parent52 minutes ago
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  • thelastgallon42 minutes ago
    What happens if US becomes insolvent? Is USD going to be inflated? hyperinflated? Will other currencies appreciate or just devalue their own currency by the same percentage to keep up the exports and continue to earn USD for oil?
    • Havoc3 minutes ago
      Nobody knows. There is no precedent for that happening in a post globalisation world.<p>Think sht would get very real for everyone fast both inside and outside the US.<p>Global economy can’t even deal with a ship stuck in the suez without wobbling…
    • 31707024 minutes ago
      If the US becomes insolvent, that would severely impact the USD. But other currencies will not try to follow the USD, there would be no point in that. The USD would just lose more status as an anchoring point. The US is also not a major oil exporter, so presumably most oil will trade for other currencies, rather than try to sell for an inflationary currency.<p>In short, if the US becomes insolvent, the rest of the world will largely ignore what happens in the (at that point) 8th economy in the world, and mostly try to untie their economy from it.
      • petcat16 minutes ago
        &gt; The US is also not a major oil exporter<p>I believe this is wrong? USA is the largest oil producer in the world, and also one of the 5 largest oil exporters.
        • gruez13 minutes ago
          &quot;Largest producer&quot; != &quot;largest exporter&quot;
          • cmiles81 minute ago
            The US is the largest exporter or oil and refined products. Saudi Arabia is the largest exporter of crude oil.
          • petcat12 minutes ago
            Yes I said that. Largest producer, and 4th largest exporter.
      • GJim13 minutes ago
        &gt; and mostly try to untie their economy from it.<p>That is already happening.<p>The rest of the world is finding the likes of China to be more stable and predictable trading partners than the USA.
    • blahblaher29 minutes ago
      There is no way, unless by political choice, for the US to become insolvent, meaning, not paying it&#x27;s &quot;debt&quot; in US dollars
      • florkbork11 minutes ago
        There is no way (except for the way I just articulated)...
      • iAMkenough18 minutes ago
        There is a deliberate effort by the current administration to weaken the dollar.<p>Given their track record and interest in other forms of currency, I could see them going too far.
    • alfiedotwtf6 minutes ago
      America will move to Trump Coin of course!<p>&#x2F;s
  • epsteingpt31 minutes ago
    No one serious is worried about American solvency. The paper says 50% over the next 10 years, but even most economists misunderstand how the monetary system works.<p>There are so many other issues to worry about at the moment more immediate than solvency.
    • Grombobulous27 minutes ago
      The word in the headline “solvency” versus the phrase in the article “debt crisis” is a major difference.<p>To your point, I don’t think anyone has to be worried about American solvency, but a looming debt crisis doesn’t seem like a stretch of imagination at all.
    • danesparza1 minute ago
      Tell that to the Romans.
    • root-parent10 minutes ago
      &gt;&gt; There are so many other issues to worry about at the moment more immediate than solvency.<p>The U.S. government spends about one-third! (roughly 33% to 39%) of individual income tax revenue strictly to pay the interest on the national debt and that is not even paying off the principal balance itself:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;budget.house.gov&#x2F;imo&#x2F;media&#x2F;doc&#x2F;cbo_baseline_february_2026.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;budget.house.gov&#x2F;imo&#x2F;media&#x2F;doc&#x2F;cbo_baseline_february...</a><p>A raise in interest rates for treasuries, can bring this into 50% to 60% within days.<p>Yeah...worry about other things...
    • bilekas20 minutes ago
      &gt; but even most economists misunderstand how the monetary system works.<p>It seems to be more of a subjective topic to me. Otherwise we would all have a perfect plan and never any monetary concerns. Highlighting weak links in the system is I believe a perfectly healthy thing to do. A sanity check would go a long way these days.
    • DarkmSparks8 minutes ago
      The US ticked all the boxes that are credited with the break up of the USSR last year aiui.<p>Anyone not taking that seriously is in for the most hilarious of surprises.
    • d--b15 minutes ago
      When enough non-&quot;serious&quot; people believe it, they still sell the bonds, and shit can hit the fan pretty quickly.
  • refurb8 minutes ago
    US government solvency is backed by the power to tax and tap into the massive US economy.<p>Considering the US has one of the lower overall tax rates of developed economies, I’m not sure we’ve reached any sort of crisis level