5 comments

  • duxup1 hour ago
    I don&#x27;t understand why a regular patrol officer would &#x2F; should even have access to something like this without some level of extra authorization. They&#x27;re not detectives running an open investigation ...<p>In this case this officer was searching numerous networks over and over again, that alone should trigger some metrics that raise the question &quot;uh ... why?&quot;
    • pudgywalsh2 minutes ago
      You never worked for a startup where the CEO demanded administrator rights to everything just because he&#x27;s CEO?
    • newsomix9xl1 hour ago
      Pacheco has been one of the top users of the Flock system this year, according to data The Light previously obtained from the city. The most common reason inputted since April for her searches has been “traffic infraction.”
      • duxup51 minutes ago
        Just thinking of that reason, I don&#x27;t even know what Flock would tell you at that point. It would tell you where else they were? Not going to do any good. Makes that reason pretty suspicious.
    • none258510 minutes ago
      Because no one important cares and no one will do anything about it.
    • nickthegreek40 minutes ago
      How else could they have arrested that wisconsin guy for driving to michigan to purchase cannabis? You know, apparently a totally valid use for such technology..
  • King-Aaron1 hour ago
    It was only about an hour ago I saw yet another mindless commentator on one of these threads saying &quot;if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about&quot;.
    • Walf35 minutes ago
      The funniest response I&#x27;ve read to this type of reasoning went something like this: a family gathering; topic of privacy came up; boomer-type trotted out the &quot;nothing to hide&quot; line; younger relative asked them if they enjoy a particular type of sexual intercourse with their spouse; red faces and looks of horror; the asker reminded everyone that privacy is important and it doesn&#x27;t mean one is doing anything wrong.
      • rationalist17 minutes ago
        &quot;Does your phone have a passcode? What are you hiding? Can I look through your text messages?&quot;
    • tintor58 minutes ago
      People who have nothing to hide get ambushed by police at gunpoint, because surveillance system misidentifies them.
    • newsomix9xl1 hour ago
      These risks were said to be theoretical what ifs? But headlines are showing that they are quite real problems.<p>Who watches the watchers?
    • DANmode36 minutes ago
      Let them show themselves.
  • pudgywalsh19 minutes ago
    I don&#x27;t see a connection to Flock specifically in this lovers&#x27; spat. If it wasn&#x27;t Flock it would be any number of other things. This is a literally-who-cares incident that is being built up into something it isn&#x27;t.<p>It&#x27;s like saying she drove a Ford police car during these activities therefore Ford is evil, QED.<p>It&#x27;s more worthy of discussion noting New Bedford is a shithole and the armpit of Mass.
    • newsomix9xl11 minutes ago
      Its a good example of those who say &quot;surveillance systems can and will be used inappropriately&quot; - a jilted lover cop with access is <i>exactly</i> the kind of irrational person who could do so.<p>A person with a Ford can do all the things car owners can do. But very few people are trusted with access to ALPR cameras.<p>So: I disagree.<p>I have no qualms with New Bedford and I&#x27;m sure it has lots of, or even mostly, upright police officers who follow the law.
      • pudgywalsh4 minutes ago
        The world is full of and depends on trusted people. You&#x27;re attacking technology and tools rather than a person that abused their trust to the community.<p>New Bedford being a dump is a non-sequitur; it has as much connection and relevance to the incident as does Flock.
        • newsomix9xl0 minutes ago
          I am not attacking tools or people. This article and my statements aren&#x27;t attacks. The article is an (alleged) fact, and mine are opinions.<p>I didn&#x27;t bring up New Bedford.<p>I agree trust is good. I also believe Flock has implemented some auditing tool to flag frivolous searches which is why these cases are popping up.<p>I am not against trust, but verifying those who we trust are trustworthy is important, I think.
    • lux-lux-lux13 minutes ago
      There’s a difference between the abuse potential of ‘a car’ and ‘a nationwide surveillance network that tracks your location any time you’re on a public road’
      • pudgywalsh11 minutes ago
        If she used a GPS tracker instead of an ALPR as alleged, would you be demanding they be outlawed?<p>As it stands they&#x27;re $20 on Amazon with dozens to choose from.
  • Tostino54 minutes ago
    Wonder how quick this will get removed off the front page, like the last one about a woman pulled over at gunpoint multiple times because the ALPR kept making a mistake.<p>Like I said in the last thread... I went and spoke at my county commission meeting today against these cameras: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;live&#x2F;1OmEmpL-7qY?t=720" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;live&#x2F;1OmEmpL-7qY?t=720</a><p>I went back and got transcripts for the rest of the meetings for the day, and after saying it was not up for a vote today, two of the commissioners attempted to push it through within 10 min of the end of day, but it ended up failing in a tie. So, decision is delayed, and there is actually a chance of fighting these being put up, as well as the ones already there.
    • vips7L39 minutes ago
      &gt; Wonder how quick this will get removed off the front page<p>YC’s an investor after all
      • sublinear25 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s not why these are getting flagged.<p>The tech angle is very weak otherwise too similar to the ordinary news. It&#x27;s not that we don&#x27;t care or even disagree.<p>I&#x27;m not saying this to stir an argument either. I&#x27;m just giving an honest answer why the rest of us ordinary folk flag these. They go into the same bin as most of the AI posts.<p>As well, I can&#x27;t speak for everyone, but the pushback replies to my comment here (if any) would likely be assumed bots&#x2F;paid engagement.<p>This problem isn&#x27;t unique to HN either. The discussion can be fine sometimes, especially if it&#x27;s more about the tech than the politics, but if people wanted reddit or the ordinary news they&#x27;d be over there and wouldn&#x27;t come here. You can bang your drum over there.
        • newsomix9xl6 minutes ago
          The tech angle is weak? This is about the impact of tech, on privacy, surveillance, and society.<p>This is a crime that could not be committed without AI, the internet, and relatively inexpensive cameras using solar panels. It is a very tech oriented crime that <i>could not be committed</i> 30 years ago.