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  • wpollock5 hours ago
    Just because the cave is sealed now, does not mean it has been sealed for millions of years. Even for geology, 5.5M years is a long time. I don't understand how they can claim it never had connections to the outside, just because it doesn't have connections now.
    • defrost3 hours ago
      Geology is most probably largely how the sealed claim has been made .. it was open to the world when the limestone was forming, formed (Speleogenesis) by sky water (rain) permeating down and eating out a limestone void, and &quot;sealed&quot; by thick and impermeable layers of clays and loess (windborne sediment) some 2.5 million years ago during the Quaternary.<p>There are also genetic drift estimates, which put the &quot;last&quot; outside species to enter at about that time (<p><pre><code> One of the most recent animals recorded is the cave&#x27;s only species of snail, Heleobia dobrogica, which has inhabited the cave for slightly more than 2 million years. </code></pre> ~ <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Movile_Cave" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Movile_Cave</a> )
    • lostlogin2 hours ago
      Mentioning the recent Chernobyl accident is weird too. Surely an accident from long ago that is expected to be detectable is far more helpful.<p>All they proved is that nothing had entered since the Chernobyl accident.
      • defrost6 minutes ago
        It&#x27;s an AI article.<p>Looking for Chernobyl signature in cave during the late 1980s &#x2F; early 1990s does seem daft - far more likely for them to be looking for residual &quot;trace&quot; from the atmospheric tests that doused the planet in &quot;unnatural&quot; residuals and odd isotopes.
      • fragmede19 minutes ago
        Have there been many nuclear reactor meltdowns prior to Chernobyl?
        • defrost8 minutes ago
          Before 1986 there have been twelve &quot;public&quot; core meltdowns, and at least six, likely more, incidents not public on nuclear subs, etc.<p>~ <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents#Nuclear_meltdown&#x2F;core_damage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nuclear_and_radiation_accident...</a><p>You should look up how many live armed nuclear bombs have been accidentally dropped on mainland US soil.<p>More significantly, there&#x27;s been a <i>lot</i> of above ground and atmospheric tests that have draped residuals across the planet, and a bunch of dirty Russian &#x2F; former USSR sites that drift trace across Europe.
    • bcraven4 hours ago
      &quot;Combined with the geology and the peculiar chemistry of the cave’s water and air, the evidence pointed to a system that had been closed off since roughly five and a half million years ago.&quot;
      • Rebelgecko43 minutes ago
        On the flip side, the wiki article for the cave mentions that new species arrived as recently as 2 million years ago...
      • defrost4 hours ago
        That quote, from the AI generated article, simply asserts the cave was sealed, it doesn&#x27;t explain how the cave came to be sealed, nor how it is that modern humans infer the cave has been sealed and for how long.
    • shdwslrkr4 hours ago
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  • pokpokpok5 hours ago
    Does anyone have the original source of this information? This article seems to be AI generated: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pangram.com&#x2F;history&#x2F;fdf6dfd6-1a9c-4267-a90c-a3cf2711c0f5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pangram.com&#x2F;history&#x2F;fdf6dfd6-1a9c-4267-a90c-a3cf...</a>
    • john_strinlai5 hours ago
      while looking at the wiki (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Movile_Cave" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Movile_Cave</a>), this popped up from 2015 from bbc earth: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210531110415&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;earth&#x2F;story&#x2F;20150904-the-bizarre-beasts-living-in-romanias-poison-cave" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210531110415&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.c...</a>
  • statictype5 hours ago
    Interesting that being sealed for 5 million years did not yield any life forms more complex than insects.<p>Maybe sun and space are importance factors for intelligence.
    • quuxplusone2 hours ago
      That has a lot more to do with whether the cave started out containing anything &quot;more complex than insects.&quot; 5 million years isn&#x27;t, like, an evolve-monkeys-from-scratch number of years. It&#x27;s arguably an evolve-humans-from-chimps number of years. But if your cave doesn&#x27;t contain any chimps... or even if it does but they all starve to death in Year 2 out of 5,000,000...
    • weaksauce5 hours ago
      the sun is energy so i’d expect there to be a correlation there.
  • andrewstuart4 hours ago
    Great first line for a story.
  • charlie03 hours ago
    It&#x27;s all fun and games until they run into another branch of homo sapiens ala the descent....
  • cyberax5 hours ago
    &gt; Oxygen levels run at roughly half of what our lungs expect. Carbon dioxide is present at concentrations enormously higher than in the outside atmosphere. The air is laced with hydrogen sulfide, the compound responsible for the smell of rotten eggs, and with methane and ammonia.<p>So it was not truly sealed. A truly sealed cave would have had no oxygen, it would have all been consumed in reactions with methane.
    • dyauspitr5 hours ago
      Yeah it has significant groundwater inflow (like 5L&#x2F;s). Nothing about this is sealed.
      • john_strinlai5 hours ago
        &gt;<i>Yeah it has significant groundwater inflow (like 5L&#x2F;s).</i><p>where did it say this? i did a double-take because the article says the opposite, and i checked the wikipedia and didnt see it there either. is there another source of info? or am i being blind?
        • dyauspitr3 hours ago
          &gt; Mesothermal, sulfidic groundwater (up to 1 mM in H2S) originating from an artesian sulfidic aquifer underlying the region enters at the bottom of the cave’s lower passages. This results in a constant flow occurring tens of centimeters to 1 m below the water surface at flow rates of about 5 L&#x2F;s<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC10672346&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC10672346&#x2F;</a>
    • shdwslrkr5 hours ago
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