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  • nater500045 minutes ago
    &gt;Much of the angst around China&#x27;s models centers on &quot;losing the AI race&quot;. But what&#x27;s the goal of this race? Is it to develop the best model? To sell the most tokens? To destroy humanity first?<p>Some people would say it is reaching some sort of singularity. Even if you don&#x27;t buy into a more sci-fi interpretation of this, there are pretty grounded arguments one could make that there is some sort of &quot;goal&quot; in AI development that, if realized, would effectively make it a superweapon. Altman has been pretty vocal about his expectation that this will eventually happen and that it is his goal to be the guy to produce it. Even if it isn&#x27;t some superintelligence, the ability for a machine to do something like, say, exploit cybersecurity weaknesses, is pretty worrying for entities like governments. It&#x27;s the pretense used when we saw the US government ban a US model recently.<p>Again, you don&#x27;t have to buy that &quot;the singularity&quot; is a real thing, but it&#x27;s not hard to see that some people think some version of this is real and it is exactly what is being referred to as the goal in an &quot;AI race.&quot;
    • TSiege7 minutes ago
      If AI were to become a super weapon why should I trust a private company to own it? If the super weapon is publicly available to download then why should American citizens be banned from doing so?
    • OkayPhysicist3 minutes ago
      If it&#x27;s a superweapon, then it&#x27;s unconstitutional to ban it. Huzzah for the 2nd Ammendment.
  • AlexErrant42 minutes ago
    I&#x27;m in favor of open source AI... however:<p>&gt; It&#x27;s theoretically possible for a bad actor to embed hidden adversarial behavior in a model. But if this happens, it serves the interests of responsible actors to find these exploits as soon as possible, and the best way to do this is to let anyone who wants to inspect them.<p>This is a bad argument. It isn&#x27;t trivial to tell if the weights have poisoned:<p>``` <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedeepview.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;microsoft-how-to-spot-a-poisoned-ai-model" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedeepview.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;microsoft-how-to-spot-a...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;futurism.com&#x2F;future-society&#x2F;easy-poison-open-weight-ai" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;futurism.com&#x2F;future-society&#x2F;easy-poison-open-weight-...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;semgrep.dev&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;ai-supply-chain-problem&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;semgrep.dev&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;ai-supply-chain-problem&#x2F;</a> ```<p>I&#x27;m not arguing in favor of closed-AI; I&#x27;m simply saying poisoning may be subtle.<p>I was gonna say that at least the frontier labs may be motivated to not-poison their own models, but then Anthropic just attempted to poison Fable&#x27;s LLM training capability so... sigh. I&#x27;ll try not to derail.
    • NitpickLawyer30 minutes ago
      &gt; It isn&#x27;t trivial to tell if the weights have poisoned:<p>True, but it is easier if you have the weights than if you don&#x27;t. I guess this was their point?
      • jjfoooo428 minutes ago
        Yes that would be my view. Open access doesn&#x27;t make it trivial, but remains the most expedient way to remediate these exploits.
      • andy994 minutes ago
        You should assume the weights have been poisoned, the model has been prompt injected, etc and design software around it accordingly. You can’t really trust the model and it makes sense to always have controls around it and not depend on it behaving a certain way.<p>I’m aware this doesn’t happen, just saying. There are more examples of a model randomly hallucinating and deleting something than of a deliberate compromise.
  • wcoenen1 hour ago
    This post does not mention safety at all. What&#x27;s to stop bad actors from fine tuning open weights to run fully automated genius-level scams personally targeting basically everybody?
    • bigbadfeline32 minutes ago
      &gt; What&#x27;s to stop bad actors from fine tuning open weights to run fully automated genius-level scams personally targeting basically everybody?<p>You mean like ChayGPT hacking Hugging Face? Obviously nothing can stop the closed weights providers to do &quot;genius-level scams&quot; and in addition you won&#x27;t know how they did it and what models were used.<p>In short, only a good guy with open weights can stop the bad guys with closed wrights, be them fine-tuned or pre-trained.
    • Larrikin58 minutes ago
      What&#x27;s stopping someone from doing that right now without the LLM, just slightly slower?
      • gogopromptless44 minutes ago
        It&#x27;s perfectly natural for a prey population to experience a crash when a new predator enters the ecosystem.<p>What&#x27;s quite odd is a prey species is manufacturing predators in some sort of reverse evolution, where we started out as symbiotic and are industriously pushing towards full parasites&#x2F;predators, but I guess life finds a way.
    • _aavaa_43 minutes ago
      Amazing how we quickly the crypto wars have been forgotten and the lessons not learned.
    • BraveOPotato57 minutes ago
      I don&#x27;t believe trusting big brother and big tech is the solution either. Besides, even if it&#x27;s open weight, it still runs on someone else&#x27;s hardware.<p>Unless you have the money to run them locally, and if you do, you could do a lot worse than scams. Ask any lobbyist.
    • kingstnap44 minutes ago
      Whats to stop me from going down to the local gas station, filling up a few thousand liters of gas in a rented moving truck, and driving into my nearest hospital?<p>Most people aren&#x27;t terrorists. You can&#x27;t just argue stuff is dangerous because it can be one piece of a sophisticated plot.
      • throw123456789113 minutes ago
        Nobody will sell you a few thousand litres of gasoline at a gas station.
    • trollbridge47 minutes ago
      Nothing, which is already happening with weaker models which are already released.
    • SimianSci45 minutes ago
      How can we close pandora&#x27;s box, now that its open?<p>Safety is <i>not</i> restricting access to only people favored by the government. The greed of AI executives opened pandora&#x27;s box. Now they are desperately trying to find ways to reap the benefits with none of the consequences.
  • Havoc48 minutes ago
    The lobbying dollars don&#x27;t care
  • deaton1 hour ago
    The only good arguments I see against open weight AI also apply to closed AI. And regardless, the box is open, nobody can stop it even if stopping it was a good thing.
    • vouaobrasil55 minutes ago
      It could be stopped, if there were a social movement large enough to make AI a taboo.
      • OkayPhysicist1 minute ago
        Good luck with your Butlerian Jihad.
      • throw123456789111 minutes ago
        Yeah, like those 5g masts destroyed around the world because they spread covid. Loonies.
      • srmatto18 minutes ago
        That hasn&#x27;t worked for Climate Change and in my opinion it&#x27;s for the same reason: money.
      • vitalyan818418 minutes ago
        just like evangelical Christians had scolded away all those things they object to.
      • deaton32 minutes ago
        Sure but Orange Catholicism hasn&#x27;t quite caught on yet.
  • mips_avatar1 hour ago
    I’m still kind of shocked that Dean Ball can tweet such incendiary stuff about OpenAI policy. Like presumably OpenAI would prefer it if their staff don’t pick fights with Trump administration officials.
    • nemomarx1 hour ago
      designs on the time scale I guess. and openai might feel secure in their favor with the admin?
  • catigula56 minutes ago
    You could literally develop a hyper-intelligent advisor on how to kill people or perform dangerous hacks using ablated &#x27;open source&#x27; AI. You can do this right now, this very moment, and have an extremely adept advisor on how to do really, really bad things.
    • trollbridge46 minutes ago
      My level of trust in Anthropic&#x2F;Google&#x2F;OAI&#x2F;Microsoft&#x2F;Meta not to do bad things is about zero, so why should I trust them with this?
    • wizzwizz445 minutes ago
      I already know how to kill thousands of people. It&#x27;s not conceptually difficult: more than a day&#x27;s effort, sure, but what stops people from doing this kind of thing is <i>not</i> the lack of knowing how. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1958&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1958&#x2F;</a>
      • catigula35 minutes ago
        No, you don&#x27;t. What stops people is actually access to knowledge. There are killers of varying levels of efficacy; making killing easier means more people die. It&#x27;s 1-1.
        • wizzwizz428 minutes ago
          A bold assertion. How many deaths can you attribute to this xkcd comic?
          • catigula20 minutes ago
            The ideas are dumb. They wouldn&#x27;t kill anyone, the barrier to entry is too high and you&#x27;d trivially be caught and punished.