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  • sorenjan57 minutes ago
    &gt; Microsoft provided the FBI with the history of IP addresses tied to that specific GDID.<p>This article, and most articles about this, doesn&#x27;t explain where FBI got that GDID from. Ok, Microsoft has a list of IP addresses that has been used by a computer with a certain GDID, but FBI needs to get the GDID in the first place, and then try to bind that to a person.<p>I found another article that explains the process a bit better:<p>&gt; Stokes got caught because he used the same Windows device for everything, and the GDID stitched all of it back together after the fact.<p>&gt; Scattered Spider members phoned the jewelry retailer’s IT help desk from Google Voice numbers, posed as locked out employees, and talked support staff into resetting three accounts, two with administrator privileges. From there they installed a tunneling tool called ngrok to get past the retailer’s network defenses, moved roughly 77 gigabytes of data to Amazon cloud storage using ngrok [...]<p>&gt; Investigators later subpoenaed ngrok and found the account used in the attack had been created on May 12, 2025, at 19:21 UTC from a VPN proxy IP address run by Tzulo, a hosting provider. The IP was a dead end. VPN proxies do that. But the GDID is built different.<p>&gt; Microsoft’s records showed that at that exact same minute, a Windows device carrying GDID g:6755467234350028 had visited the ngrok signup page. Three hours later, the same GDID visited the retailer’s own website, through the same Tzulo proxy address used to set up the ngrok account. It gave the FBI a device, that don’t rotate the way VPN exit nodes do.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.windowslatest.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;10&#x2F;you-cant-fully-disable-microsofts-gdid-windows-11-tracker-but-these-settings-limit-what-it-captures&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.windowslatest.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;10&#x2F;you-cant-fully-disa...</a><p>Although this doesn&#x27;t explain where Microsoft got that traffic data from. How do Microsoft know which sites a computer visit?
    • crtasm49 minutes ago
      They make the default web browser on Windows, and that sends your browsing data if you don&#x27;t disable its telemetry.<p>See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=48921595">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=48921595</a>
      • sorenjan30 minutes ago
        This seems like something that should be easy to confirm, but I haven&#x27;t seen anyone do it. Do they keep a database of every website visit all Edge users make?
        • netsharc0 minutes ago
          Speculation: if you turn on browser sync so you can have your open tabs and history on different computers, that stuff will be on MS&#x27; cloud with your consent, with whatever E2EE they have or claim to have.<p>But it would be very foolish for a blackhat to turn on browser sync...
    • nickphx47 minutes ago
      They claim it was an ngrok account that was used to host an endpoint used in the compromise, tied to a microsoft account &#x2F; gdid that was passed when ngrok software was downloaded from the &quot;microsoft store&quot;.
      • sorenjan34 minutes ago
        That wouldn&#x27;t explain how they connected the GDID to the visit to the retailers website<p>&gt; Three hours later, the same GDID visited the retailer’s own website, through the same Tzulo proxy address used to set up the ngrok account.
  • Terr_4 minutes ago
    [delayed]
  • int0x2952 minutes ago
    I have a sneaking suspicion that that ID can be deleted either with a specific service not running or with Windows powered off.
    • nickphx45 minutes ago
      it is generated from identifiers on device by a remote microsoft system where it is stored ..
      • int0x297 minutes ago
        But it is regenerated by reinstalling. So I suspect that its less fingerprint based and more of an in disk IDs thing. Which goes back to if you clear the right things while the system is not running you might be able to change it
  • Razengan13 minutes ago
    wow.. How is this not a bigger deal
  • SV_BubbleTime1 hour ago
    Obvious workaround to get off windows and use Linux…<p>But do any popular linux distributions use an identifier? Ubuntu, Kali, Mint, Arch, etc?<p>It seems an attractive way for devs to work out telemetry. Awful in reality; but I imagine attractive.
    • moepstar56 minutes ago
      At least Debian and Ubuntu have &#x2F;etc&#x2F;machine-id, presumably easily changed - but it’s there.
      • NotPractical50 minutes ago
        I think the difference is that, on Windows, there are background services that constantly ping Microsoft with the device ID. A device ID on its own is not really harmful if it&#x27;s not exposed to the internet.
        • Terr_15 minutes ago
          Right, the danger here isn&#x27;t a stable unique ID itself, but the OS &quot;telemetry&quot; which steals [0] it and reports to Big-Brother in ways which betray other information to Big Brother.<p>There&#x27;s no informed consent here, the average consumer does not think &quot;Microsoft is tracking every single website I visit and when I visit it in Edge.&quot;<p>[0] It seems wrong to use the verb &quot;leaks&quot; when it&#x27;s so obviously intentional.
      • capitainenemo48 minutes ago
        I mean, there&#x27;s a ton of unique identifiers on machines already tied to hardware and disks, but that must be a systemd thing since my Devuan machine does not have it.<p>But given there&#x27;s no cloud accounts on linux I would imagine it&#x27;s trivially changed just like a NIC&#x27;s MAC<p>Also, seems unlikely it would be used for any single-signon with cloud services.