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  • notarobot1231 hour ago
    The risk for SaaS isn&#x27;t that <i>customers</i> will build their own but that the barrier to entry for <i>competitors</i> is lower.<p>The Chorleywood process created mega bakeries that displaced regular bakeries because they changed the economics. AI is doing the same and fundamentally changing the economics of production. What used to take years and huge teams to build can be built by much smaller teams much faster.<p>SaaS isn&#x27;t going to sublimate straight into consumer built tools but the boiling point for competition has gotten a lot lower.
    • davidpapermill58 minutes ago
      I don’t agree. I think businesses including SaaS are not primarily their tech, but are mostly composed of other functions: sales, marketing, customer success, product management, strategy etc. The value is actually more in these other components than in the code.
      • brabel29 minutes ago
        For some businesses yes, but for many no, the software and the infrastructure are all that matters and hopefully they don’t touch what works and don’t add features no one asked for.
  • lordofmoria1 day ago
    I completely agree that people are vastly undervaluing convenience, reliability and SaaS being essentially a great way to make something “someone else’s problem”.<p>The count argument would be that building with AI will potentially give you infinite customizability, which is especially attractive if you’ve ever hit a brick wall using a line-of-business SaaS product. It works great until you hit that wall.<p>But again, I think this counter argument oversells the value of customization. Most users-would-be-builders would happily build a monstrosity that doesn’t even serve themselves well, if you let them. Building good workflows (and therefore good SaaS products) is not nearly as easy or straightforward as it seems.
    • jorisw49 minutes ago
      I believe customization isn&#x27;t as highly valued by regular people. Just look at your friends&#x27; phones and how they haven&#x27;t usually done anything to customize their experience.<p>If enough people were hitting that wall in that SaaS you mention, the SaaS would&#x27;ve fixed it. The barrier of starting over with a custom solution, leaving behind a SaaS they&#x27;ve become accustomed to, is an unlikely choice. They&#x27;d rather just come up with a convenient workaround, and briefly look at competing products.
    • nicman231 hour ago
      also the counter argument is that median saas company is outsourcing to AI anyway, that being artificial intelligence or actual Indians
      • Foobar85681 hour ago
        What is not outsourced to India or nowadays, Portugal for Europeans&#x2F;Switzerland?<p>Working in Switzerland and first Paris, it&#x27;s always amusing to see the circle of outsourcing and the overall regression of skills and critical thinking in enterprise.<p>Or the myth that startups have some of the greatest people we working for them, meanwhile, I was a click away to be able to take over the whole Saas platform of an industrial leader, with a few 100b at stake. And their security response team was inexistant.
    • StackOptimist1 day ago
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  • nitwit0051 day ago
    This went straight from medieval guilds to the 1920s, but actual bread mass production started in the Victorian era, and people did have a big negative reaction to that. They adulterated bread in ways that poisoned consumers during that period, which was a tad unpopular.<p>That drove consumers to some curious brands: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aerated_Bread_Company" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aerated_Bread_Company</a>
    • margalabargala1 hour ago
      Specifically, copper sulfate was added to flour to slow the rate of fermentation. Highly toxic.
    • DANmode1 hour ago
      &gt; They adulterated bread in ways that poisoned consumers during that period, which was a tad unpopular.<p>Consumers paying attention to how products impact them. No kiddin’.
  • skybrian58 minutes ago
    My guess is that SaaS will be around, but it&#x27;s going to look really different.<p>Say there&#x27;s a company that sells you a subscription to an issue tracker. At first, it looks just like any other web-based issue tracker. But, although you won&#x27;t realize it at first, it&#x27;s hosted on a Linux VM with a development environment on it. Each customer&#x27;s app gets built from source.<p>Then, when you want something changed, you send a message to support. And they just bounce it to a coding agent that edits the source code and rebuilds it.<p>The sort of customization that enterprises used to pay big bucks for is going to get dramatically cheaper.<p>(There are technical issues making this safe, but I think they&#x27;ll be solved.)
    • sausagefeet54 minutes ago
      Maybe I&#x27;m a luddite, but this seems far fetched, to me. I just don&#x27;t see a path for LLMs to make all kinds of changes to a codebase from non-technical people, correctly. Yes, LLMs can do amazing things, but they still don&#x27;t have a mental model of what a thing is doing and make all sorts of weird decisions that are not what you want.<p>I believe LLMs are going to make the bar for a SaaS you would pay for, as a company, higher.
      • skybrian49 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s why I assume it goes through support. A support person checks if the prompt is reasonable (and maybe rewrites it).
    • olibhel50 minutes ago
      Now where&#x27;s my customized toaster?
  • jillesvangurp45 minutes ago
    SaaS partially took the place of bespoke projects that people were doing before. They never stopped doing those of course and there were also off the shelf packages that people bought before SaaS.<p>AI lowers the cost of creating bespoke software that competes with both. Instead of buying a one size fits all thing that half does what you need, you can now have a thing that is a bit better suited to your needs. There will be a lot more demand for those things. A lot of these things are going to require deep domain knowledge and some system thinking skills.<p>This is still hard enough to do well that a lot of the creation work will be outsourced to professionals. Even if that involves the use of AI prompting. Maybe after naive attempts to do it in house fail. My hunch is that there will be a lot of growth for those that can do these types of projects efficiently and that it might more than offset the job losses in the SaaS sector.<p>There are a lot of of companies that are still under using software. There never was any good SaaS that fit their needs and they lacked the skills to do it themselves. When you lower the cost of something (creating software) the market usually grows. A lot of things that were previously not feasible are now doable.
  • noah-cavoli1 day ago
    This is one of the best articles I&#x27;ve seen come across HN lately. You presented a well structured argument, and one I strongly believe in.<p>I had a conversation with someone the other day, trying to convince them how easy it would be to solve a problem they had by creating a quick program with Claude. They were so computer averse, so used to thinking that coding was some impossible task, that they refused to even try or let me show them.<p>SaaS isn&#x27;t dead at all. In fact, I think we may have just entered the golden age
  • annjose1 day ago
    Unlike most articles that butcher an analogy so badly that you wish they could have just described the concept plainly, this one uses the analogy really well. It carries it from start to finish without overstretching it.<p>This line captures the essence of the article and is going to stick with me forever:<p>&gt; SaaS is the bread, not the bread machine.<p>And yes, SaaS companies that understand that they sell convenience and accountability will be the ones that survive this AI rush. New ones could emerge too.
  • mugiseyebrows5 minutes ago
    My takeaway: I should buy a bread machine.
  • a_c33 minutes ago
    Many such examples with variations<p>- browser extensions where a bookmarklet will do (media speed control)<p>- tolerate-able UX where alternatives available (e.g LLM chat interface without a table of contents is a pain to me, vibe coding an extension took me less than 1 session worth of credit)<p>- buying bulk vs buying individually<p>- doomscrolling vs reading a book<p>- standing vs tip toeing (one I discovered only very recently that I can tip toe any time to train my toes for climbing, no need dedicated training sessions)<p>- getting angry&#x2F;depressed online vs realising most thing on internet is about provoking emotion
  • purplepatrick5 hours ago
    Good article. Appreciate the bread (machine) analogy.<p>One thing to add: software maintenance costs. The build has never been the bottleneck.<p>The notion that most companies will suddenly institute developers to build all kinds of software inhouse and maintain it is silly. Most companies are not google et al, even in 2026.<p>The insurance industry built almost everything custom in the 70s and 80s, simply because that was the only option. The more software became commercially available elsewhere the more this effort was pruned back.<p>Another thing: knowing what to build — another big bottleneck. Most people cannot articulate what they want and even fewer can articulate it at a level that would enable them to build durable software, even with AI. Case in point: the majority of AI-built stuff you see are point solutions or small productivity items, etc. “Systems thinking”, as some people call it, is hard, even for most software engineers.<p>Yes, you can “rebuild” tools you’ve previously purchased as SaaS but at some point you gotto use your brain to come up with something new. Systems thinking on blank-page challenges is even harder…
  • isawczuk1 hour ago
    I would disagree, but before let me acknowledge how well written article is and bread analogy is spot on. However, author complete discounted open source and ability to spin up open source software that will replicate almost 1:1 what SaaS offers without a pay-to-access requirement. Why spend thousands on integration with SaaS that you can take open source, vibe code missing features and start using? You say maintenance, but I&#x27;d argue that owning your data is more important that costs of maintenance. Like bread, when you learn and have ability to choose healthier product you never go back to store brought.
    • clack19871 hour ago
      No. You should know that most software are developed for business. Free or too cheap is not good for business use. When I earn money or save money by a software, i can pay it to get full support.
      • rglullis1 hour ago
        Do you pay for support for all the FOSS you use?
  • ahmed_10001 day ago
    The threat to SaaS is moreso consolidation than AI. Since people value convenience more than anything, having more functionality in one service rather than multiple services will win. For example GitHub integrating more and more code scanning&#x2F;security functionality rather than having a separate service like Snyk for that.
    • actionfromafar38 minutes ago
      &quot;Gentlemen, there’s only two ways I know of to make money: bundling and unbundling.&quot;
  • noufalibrahim44 minutes ago
    I was building an in-house infra management platform (including a self hosted AI agent) for companies in a segment that&#x27;s very careful about its internal IP.<p>I spoke to the CTO of a well funded company who was spending a few millions on AWS infrastructure per year with budget overshoots etc. I pitched the product to him with all the details and he understood it but at the end of the day, his response was that he&#x27;d rather pay AWS for the convenience rather than manage this by himself.
  • tmnvix1 day ago
    Convenience is often more important than the traditional price vs quality tradeoff. Water is free. The convenience of bottled water is worth a lot. Apple&#x27;s &quot;it just works&quot; was marketing gold that recognised the importance of convenience relative to price and performance (something many, many &#x27;computer enthusiasts&#x27; never understood).<p>SaaS will survive. We pay a lot for convenience. You&#x27;ll never go wrong appealing to laziness ;)
  • maxaw1 hour ago
    Great article. This last year I&#x27;ve been travelling around and have met 2 people running very lucrative vibe coding agencies. They vibe code websites and apps on behalf of people for whom writing prompts is too much mental overhead.
  • theturtletalks58 minutes ago
    All these arguments ignore that the bread you buy today is not always the bread you’ll get years from now.<p>Don’t we all know the cycle by now?<p>1. Company pours money and resources to create good product<p>2. Good product gets customers and those customers use word of mouth to get product viral and even more customers<p>3. Eventually the company has to make a profit and in that pursuit, they make the product worse by adding ads, adding paywalls, forcing login or subscription service, dark patterns<p>I’ve seen it happen with so many products I used that I only use open-source now. And if the feature is small, I just build it myself. In your bread example, open-source is the ultimate cookbook and chefs who understand that cookbook can out cook the best chefs out there.
    • wwweston51 minutes ago
      I <i>might</i> imagine that even this cycle could change, if the resources necessary to support step 1 and step 2 are much lower. Which might mean step 3 isn’t as necessity driven.<p>Of course, it’s possible other things can drive step 3.<p>And frontier models are already a study in unusual levels of resources dedicated to step 1.
      • theturtletalks39 minutes ago
        Very true, but if the company has raised VC funds, step 3 is inevitable. Even if the original founder resists making the product worse, the future execs won&#x27;t blink an eye.<p>Open-source on the other hand, isn&#x27;t profit-driven as much. The builder is making it for himself and for the love of it. Give me that bread maker 10&#x2F;10 times. And yes, that bread maker might also start to chase profits and make the bread worse, but I can fork his product and be on my merry way if he does.
    • keeda15 minutes ago
      That&#x27;s more the fate of consumer services though, where the product is typically given away for free and the need for revenues and growth eventually leads to the enshittification you describe. TFA is about SaaS products, which tend to be subscription-based and so usually are immune from those pressures.<p>SaaS products do have their own problems sometimes, such as feature creep and bloat and uptime, but those are less insidious.
    • readthenotes151 minutes ago
      Platform decay is real.<p>I have relatives who share sourdough starter yeast and make their own bread.
      • theturtletalks39 minutes ago
        Yes this collective shared knowledge, akin to what open-source provides for software, will always win in the long run
  • leventhan1 hour ago
    Great points. Convenience comes first, especially for things not in your core product offerings.<p>The math has changed for sure, but there is still a large open space in the convenience vs cost equation.
  • ColdStream1 hour ago
    Convenience is the single greatest drug of our species, for better and worse.
  • erelong1 day ago
    &gt; &quot;the sound of scared SAAS companies screeching in the distance&quot;<p>Naw, I can see I think the case being made - a lot of people still do things they don&#x27;t need to, well after they don&#x27;t need to do them, so SAAS may have a place for a while<p>I think for the rest of us though, SAAS may want to &quot;pivot&quot; to something else...
  • cognitiveinline1 hour ago
    The bread analogy is more corrct that they let on. The whole article without the C word.<p>Saas isn&#x27;t doomed, but it is going to be Commoditized. so you win on price, volume, execution, and cannot simply sell user seats to scale.
  • deterministic1 day ago
    What an <i>excellent</i> read. It absolutely nails the &quot;why aren&#x27;t everybody writing software now&quot; question.
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