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  • nanolith1 minute ago
    Wait... wasn&#x27;t it already understood that relativity influences electron orbits of heavy elements? I clearly remember being taught some of this in physics, in the mid-noughties.<p>For instance, we know that gold gets its color from relativistic effects.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physics.aps.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;v10&#x2F;s3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physics.aps.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;v10&#x2F;s3</a>
  • kristianp53 minutes ago
    &gt; The increased nuclear mass causes orbiting electrons to speed up to a significant fraction of the speed of light, where the rules of Einstein’s theory of relativity are important.<p>&gt; In the relativistic regime, an electron’s spin — the magnetic moment that points either up or down — and the electron’s orbit are no longer independent of each other, a state known as spin-orbit coupling.<p>Interesting stuff. I&#x27;ve never heard of sigma or pi bonds.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;science.aei1285" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;science.aei1285</a>
    • aaaronic30 minutes ago
      Sigma and Pi bonds are typically covered in AP Chemistry, even if the “why&#x2F;how” is hand waved pretty heavily. The valence cloud shapes get wild for heavier atoms and bonds between two or more atoms add even more to the mix.
      • nomel24 minutes ago
        I had <i>incredible</i> difficulties with Chemistry, more than any other subject, because most everything was hand waved away, requiring mostly rote memorization. I could never get an intuitive understanding, partly because my profs seemingly refusing to think about things from a physics perspective. My physics prof <i>was</i> able to help with some of it. It was very odd.<p>If I would have stuck with it, would things have improved?
        • ajkjk13 minutes ago
          Part of the problem is that the difficulty curve becomes, like, superexponential if you try to do the actual math. Fairly elementary atoms require the full theory of quantum mechanics to justify rigorously, and anything more complicated than that requires huge bodies of specialist knowledge on approximation schemes (I assume; I haven&#x27;t studied them, but given that helium already requires approximations I&#x27;m assuming the trend continues..)<p>Of course, they could still do a much better job useful providing pointers into this knowledge, instead of just handwaving over it and insisting on rote memorization.
        • ahahs1 minute ago
          that&#x27;s because chemistry is heavily involved in describing the nature of how elements and molecules interact with each other. There has to be some element of understanding that nothing is quite as clear because we use experiments and their conclusions to slowly but surely eliminate some theories while keeping others until disproven.
        • abecedarius2 minutes ago
          I don&#x27;t know, I&#x27;m not very chemical, but fwiw: a friend and I were favorably impressed with Linus Pauling&#x27;s general chemistry textbook. It tries to supply enough of the physics for the chemistry to make sense. We only studied for a few weeks before moving on, though, and it&#x27;s a big fat book.
        • aaaronic11 minutes ago
          Yes and no. It depends which branch of chemistry you world have chosen to go down. Physical Chemistry certainly improves a fair amount of the hand waving, but even there the underlying physics is simplified fairly often (as I understand it — I went straight Physics and dabbled in Chemistry from the other side).
          • nerdsniper2 minutes ago
            As a chemical engineer, one of the signs of maturity was myself and each of my classmates individually coming to accept and embrace the inevitable “magic coefficient”.<p>The curious always wanted to know why some magic coefficient was there. Where did it come from? How is it measured &#x2F; calculated? How to derive the magic coefficient?<p>Eventually you learn that it’s turtles all the down. You can pick apart the magic coefficient and dive into the nuanced physics that its derived from…but then you still end up with a new magic coefficient.<p>So eventually, the curious students learn that the mysteries are out there for when you want to go out and explore them. But otherwise, we pick our level of abstraction for the problem we’re currently working on and accept the magic coefficients that apply to that level of abstraction.<p>The real trick is knowing the conditional boundaries when those magic coefficients no longed apply and you either need different ones or “here be dragons”.
        • timcobb21 minutes ago
          Pi and sigma bonds fall out of thinking of it from a physical&#x2F;symmetrical&#x2F;statistical perspective. There&#x27;s not too much hand waving in the modeling of atomic and molecular orbitals.
        • lacunary19 minutes ago
          this was my experience as well. &quot;here&#x27;s a trend, it&#x27;s not true in these cases for reasons we won&#x27;t explain.&quot; I only had two semesters and the second was much better than the first.
  • Svoka43 minutes ago
    For context: this is one more experimental confirmation of Dirac&#x27;s equations (incorporating special relativity into quantum physics).<p>Very cool.<p>The paper PDF: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com&#x2F;sites.brown.edu&#x2F;dist&#x2F;0&#x2F;196&#x2F;files&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;574.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com&#x2F;sites.brown.edu&#x2F;dist&#x2F;0&#x2F;196&#x2F;fil...</a>
  • cyberax28 minutes ago
    Relativity is also responsible for a lot of weird behaviors of heavy elements, such as the color of gold. Or that lead is a good material for batteries.