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  • declan_roberts1 hour ago
    &gt; <i>During this period, from the late fourth to the mid-seventh century AD, Christianity became the dominant religion, towns expanded across the country and Egypt served as one of the empire&#x27;s richest provinces.</i><p>It&#x27;s easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD.
    • dismalaf32 minutes ago
      Not just Islamic conquest but Arab conquest. Up to this point Arabs lived mainly in, well, Arabia. The indigenous peoples of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc..., were all non-Arab. Nowadays those indigenous groups are known as Copts, Syriacs, Chaldeans, etc...
      • taeric4 minutes ago
        Legitimate question, in the early days was this a large distinction? Specifically, my understanding was that the earliest raids where this distinction is most accurate, they didn&#x27;t actually change the local societies much. Mostly were raids for resources and did not stay.<p>That is, until the Islamic raids started, the indigenous groups took losses, but were not nearly as transformed. Is that not accurate?
      • einpoklum10 minutes ago
        Local populations adopted Arabic. Somewhat like, several centuries earlier, they adopted Greek; and elsewhere and at other times, Latin. The peoples of the regions were not replaced by Greek or Roman colonists.
  • thisisauserid5 hours ago
    A Byzantine lost city around the year 400 CE.
    • derdi3 hours ago
      Not singling you out, all the articles do it, but: Strange to call this Byzantine. The coins found are from the reign of Constantius II, who at times ruled the whole empire alone (as did his successor Julian). The idea that the East, even when administered separately, was some foreign&#x2F;&quot;Byzantine&quot;&#x2F;not-<i>really</i>-Roman &quot;other&quot; was invented much later.
      • fierycatnet2 hours ago
        Sounds like we watched the same Lex interview on Rome...
      • philistine3 hours ago
        Yes, invented much later, but the expression of a different power structure that those types of Romans felt was not present. But to our modern eyes it was. Hell, the mere fact the centre of power was in Constantinople and not Rome is proof enough that they were distinct.
        • derdi2 hours ago
          Proof to your modern eyes. Not to the eyes of those who also called Constantinople &quot;New Rome&quot;, and who called themselves Romans even 1000 years later.
          • momoschili2 hours ago
            Many Western polities have sought the title of the Roman Empire and the legitimacy it endows. Constantine split the empire, and Constantius II did not rule over Rome (or many other parts of the empire). Is it even reasonable to assert it was still the Roman Empire after the fracture?<p>Is it legitimate for the Eastern Roman Empire to claim the legacy? I think so, and I think they have among the best arguments for it. Conversely it is also legitimate to note the major differences between the two and the fact that discontinuities do exist.
            • derdi1 hour ago
              &quot;Constantine split the empire&quot; is just incorrect. There were co-emperors with regional responsibilities both before and after him. They were co-emperors of <i>one</i> empire. If you want a firm split, 395 (death of Theodosius) is the more common date AFAIK.<p>I&#x27;m not denying that gradually, over well more than a thousand years, the empire (only surviving in the East) changed character in many ways. I <i>am</i> denying that a unique Eastern character sprang up (and immediately applied to Egypt) the moment that Constantinople was founded.
              • brudgers1 hour ago
                Also worth noting that Roman tradition was for two Consuls at a time.
          • euroderf1 hour ago
            &quot;Capital of the Western World for a Cool Thousand Years&quot; (TM)
          • cwnyth1 hour ago
            They actually called themselves Ῥωμαῖοι, not Romani, and not every description needs to be emic. There&#x27;s nothing wrong with the label &quot;Byzantine&quot; except to Byzaboos.
            • BalinKing1 minute ago
              But Wikipedia[0] says Ῥωμαῖοι transliterates to Romaioi, i.e. &quot;Romans&quot;.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Byzantine_Empire#Nomenclature" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Byzantine_Empire#Nomenclature</a>
            • vonunov21 minutes ago
              &gt; Byzaboos<p>Hey that&#x27;s fresh. Do they have Hittitomori too?
            • derdi1 hour ago
              So <i>I</i> shouldn&#x27;t call them Romans, since that is an English translation of what they called themselves, and thus foreign to them.<p>But <i>you</i> can call them Byzantines, an English term invented in the 19th century, because... you say so? Thank you, I have been enlightened.
      • AnimalMuppet3 hours ago
        Well, probably Greek-speaking rather than Latin-speaking, right? And with that, would there also be some cultural differences?
        • derdi2 hours ago
          One of the articles mentioned inscriptions in Coptic, Latin, and Greek. The elites would have spoken both Greek and Latin, I think? Greek was commonly known and used. Caesar, a Very Latin Roman, as he was being murdered in Rome, is conjectured to have spoken Greek to Brutus, another Very Latin Roman.<p>The notion that people are mostly monolingual, and that language is very closely tied to a cultural identity, is a modern projection (and far from universally true nowadays as well).
  • wewewedxfgdf1 hour ago
    Why are there cities in the desert? Was the climate different? Was there water?
    • flockonus20 minutes ago
      I suppose it&#x27;s like gradient descent, often times you get stuck in local minima and there is no inertial force to overcome the next peak.
  • testoo3 hours ago
    anyone else immediately reminded of this lovecraft tale? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hplovecraft.com&#x2F;writings&#x2F;texts&#x2F;fiction&#x2F;nc.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hplovecraft.com&#x2F;writings&#x2F;texts&#x2F;fiction&#x2F;nc.aspx</a>
    • testoo2 hours ago
      actually it looks like he wrote several stories on this theme: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hplovecraft.com&#x2F;writings&#x2F;texts&#x2F;fiction&#x2F;up.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hplovecraft.com&#x2F;writings&#x2F;texts&#x2F;fiction&#x2F;up.aspx</a><p>what did H.P. know that we did not??
      • PapaSpaceDelta1 hour ago
        He was inspired by Iram of the Pillars, which is mentioned in the Quran (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iram_of_the_Pillars" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iram_of_the_Pillars</a>). There&#x27;s an interesting overview of its role in his work here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lovecraft.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Irem" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lovecraft.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Irem</a>.
  • honeycrispy5 hours ago
    I wish I could go back in time and visit to see what it was like.
  • m0llusk5 hours ago
    The Ancient Architects video on YouTube has a quite good summary of the history of this site.
  • cmrdporcupine6 hours ago
    ... Do we have a better source than Daily Mail?<p>Here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archaeologymag.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;byzantine-city-with-written-records-in-dakhla-oasis&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archaeologymag.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;byzantine-city-with-writt...</a><p>and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2026&#x2F;jul&#x2F;04&#x2F;archaeologists-uncover-ancient-byzantine-city-in-egypts-western-desert" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2026&#x2F;jul&#x2F;04&#x2F;archaeologists...</a>
    • sshagent5 hours ago
      thank you.
    • hashim2 hours ago
      Came for this, thanks. I try everything I can not to read the Daily Heil, whose politics haven&#x27;t really shifted that much since Harold Harmsworth used it to push his propaganda for Hitler.
  • dominotw5 hours ago
    this is amazing. I am ancient egypt nerd but sucks that egypt is in egypt. I got scammed last time i went there and ppl were rude and agrresive.
    • al_borland4 hours ago
      I haven&#x27;t been to Egypt and I&#x27;ve heard nothing but bad things from multiple sources. This is the only place in the world where I can say this about. It&#x27;s really disappointing, as I&#x27;d love to see some of the history there.
      • eahm4 hours ago
        &gt;This is the only place in the world where I can say this about.<p>Really dude? About India? South America in general, especially Brazil?<p>I traveled a lot and I love everywhere, everyone and everything buy there are some places that scam 24&#x2F;7.
        • al_borland4 hours ago
          I spent 6 weeks in India, mostly for work, but also ventured out quite a bit. I didn&#x27;t really have any major issues and would go back. That said, I wasn&#x27;t in any of the major tourist areas. My cousin has also started going there for work more recently and has enjoyed it a lot. I was little more nervous for her as a woman going by herself.<p>But to your point, when I think about it, I do hear a lot of negative things from others. A lot of people tried to talk me out of going there, but none of them had actually been there. The negative stuff I&#x27;ve heard about Egypt has all been from people who have been there.
          • anon2913 hours ago
            I&#x27;ve been to India many times (visiting family) as someone born and raised in America, and most people on the internet have bizarre views on India. I&#x27;m someone who is generally &#x27;down&#x27; on travel to India because it&#x27;s just a lot to ingest and I prefer easier places, but I personally would never worry about the sorts of things people online claim. It&#x27;s not particularly dangerous in terms of violence. Food is amazing obviously. Hotels are out of this world if you&#x27;re willing to pay the totally normal rates and not stay in hovels -- in fact hospitality is miles ahead of most western countries. Chaotic, loud, dirty at times, sure. You have to be used to seeing visible, sometimes shocking, poverty. And of course, if you don&#x27;t know the local language and are not traveling with someone who is, it can be even more overwhelming. But I mean people are nice, and in some places, it&#x27;s really nice and there are even some places I&#x27;ve been where I could see the appeal of living there.<p>I think India tends to defy common categorization. It&#x27;s a developing country, but also quite advanced in many ways. Certain things work better. Trains are great. Metros are now really nice. Payment is great. They mostly do their own thing and it seems to be working for them.<p>To be totally honest, a lot of the India negging is from accounts associated with &#x27;rival&#x27; countries. This has become more obvious as places like X have started showing the origins of many accounts. And before people start bringing up caste or whatever to explain my neutral-to-positive disposition towards the country, my &#x27;community&#x27; in India is technically an &#x27;otherwise backwards class&#x27;, so it&#x27;s not like I&#x27;m basing this based off of my family&#x27;s non-existent wealth. By far, I&#x27;d rather stay in actual accommodations in India rather than with family because the accommodations are legit nice, and staying with family can be really hit or miss.
            • secondcoming2 hours ago
              The problem with India is hygiene, not so much safety. The food might be great but you&#x27;re practically guaranteed to get Delhi-Belly. I visited for work years ago, didn&#x27;t eat any street food and was still taken out of action for 3 days. Rubbish is strewn <i>everywhere</i>, any standing water stinks. I don&#x27;t think visiting again is worth the risk.<p>Every Indian I&#x27;ve ever met has been lovely though (except for the ones who try to scam call my mother)<p>But like you said, if it works for them who am I to disagree.
              • decohen44 minutes ago
                For me, it was really the water that was problematic, as opposed to the food.<p>On my first visit, I was careful about the water I drank, but not very careful about other ingestion, and I got TD about halfway through the trip.<p>On the next visit, I was careful to keep my mouth closed while showering, and only use bottled water to clean my toothbrush, etc. Everyone else on the trip, eating the same food, got sick, but I didn&#x27;t.<p>This is of course anecdata, but generally food, especially cooked food, is more likely to be safe.
              • gaudystead1 hour ago
                Can confirm... Was flying back home and during a layover in Mumbai I grabbed some food from the food court. It was only after having sat down and eaten most of my food when I noticed that there were pigeons roosting directly above where my meal was purchased from, with their poop stains dribbling down the raised walls directly above the food. That was a particularly rough set of flights back home, but I lucked out and had a fairly empty flight for one leg of it that offered a full row of empty seats for me to lay down in and disassociate from the pain on.<p>(for anyone who is unaware, the airports - the ones I passed through, at least - in India are fairly open air, so birds were a common sight within them)
              • busymom01 hour ago
                I think it was Anthony Bourdain who said pretty accurately that it&#x27;s far safer to eat street food than restaurant food as street food is freshly cooked, hot and instantly sold while restaurant food might be sitting in a broken fridge over a weekend.
                • al_borland1 hour ago
                  I know at least 3 people who got sick from the spicy chicken at KFC in India. It seems like everyone who eats it gets sick.
        • jmspring4 hours ago
          A friend - female, white, blonde - while in india on a business trip had to deal with inapprorpaite behavior including individuals visibly touching themselves inappropriately...not my jam.
          • cgh3 hours ago
            Any well-travelled guy is familiar with women who ask them to pretend to be married to allow them to escape constant, occasionally dangerous male pestering. In Turkey, I even met a woman who carried fake wedding bands for this purpose. We hung out for a few days as a “married” couple so she could get relief from the constant harassment.
            • philistine3 hours ago
              I was asked to do that in my hometown with a girl I had never met before. It’s not only tourists, and it’s not only in <i>foreign</i> places.<p>BTW, that girl had to be 5% handsy with me to sell the lie, and when I met her real boyfriend that same night, he pretended to be royally pissed for five seconds and I was so scared. He laughed it off. Good guy.
            • robocat3 hours ago
              I&#x27;ve learnt to be paranoid: marriage can be a scam.
        • kenjackson3 hours ago
          Italy was it for me. The train station in Rome was crazy. And just Venice in general. I was probably just in the touristy areas, but it was definitely the most hardcore non-stop street scamming I&#x27;d been around.
          • tyjen29 minutes ago
            Rented a car out of Munich and they forbade me from driving it to Italy. Said thieves are too common to risk driving, even in northern Italy. Train was simple enough though.
          • al_borland3 hours ago
            I was just in Rome last year. The only place I really ran into issues was outside the Coliseum. I just said “huh” and mumbled “I don’t know” to every question until they went away. “Where are you from?” “I don’t know.” I think they just thought I was an idiot, or had very limited English, which is fine by me.<p>I was told later by a guide that if you say “no, grazie” in a semi-convincing Italian, they’d assume you’re local and leave you alone.
          • seszett1 hour ago
            &gt; <i>Venice in general</i><p>That&#x27;s weird because in Venice I never had a single problem, didn&#x27;t feel scammed or anything, ate in very nice restaurants (I do avoid the tourist shops and restaurants though) and the people in general were nice. I almost felt at home, and many shopkeepers even spoke French, maybe better than English (I am French). I don&#x27;t think anybody in the street accosted me at all, anyway. I&#x27;d go back without any hesitation.
        • gorgonian3 hours ago
          I’ve been to two cities in Brazil and had no issues whatsoever. I’m sure it happens, but no one tried to rob us or scam us.
        • readthenotes13 hours ago
          As a White western with the obvious means to travel, I feel like they (tours in just about every second and third world country) look at me as if I am an ATM machine and they just need to figure out the PIN that will cause the money to come out.<p>I don&#x27;t take it personally. Just pressing forward mumbling &quot;no thank you&quot; seems to work okay.<p>At one ancient temple in India I did hire a young kid to drive all the other entrepreneurs away cuz it was so bad. I don&#x27;t remember the insignificant amount I gave him but I&#x27;m pretty sure it was enough to feed himself and his family for a few days.
      • spiderfarmer4 hours ago
        The bad things are all true. Scamming people is their default. You can’t trust anyone you haven’t paid.
        • BoggleOhYeah3 hours ago
          Eh. I concede that there are a ton of scammers in the tourist areas.<p>However, I think a lot of people used to the manners of the West really struggle with Egypt’s (admittedly, exhausting) haggling culture.
          • NitpickLawyer2 hours ago
            &gt; haggling culture.<p>There&#x27;s haggling where you actually enjoy the process (i.e. Turkey, visiting the bazaars, you get to haggle, then you get invited for some cay w&#x2F; the vendor, talk a bit, that&#x27;s really enjoyable) and then there&#x27;s outright scamming. Friend of mine went to Egypt, really wanted to ride a camel. Agreed on a price, rode the camel, and at the end they wouldn&#x27;t bring the wooden thingy so that he could dismount, and they were asking for more money. That&#x27;s not enjoyable at all.
            • BoggleOhYeah1 hour ago
              Yeah, that’s just scamming. Unfortunately, that’s pretty common with the camel vendors.<p>Since camel rides are almost exclusively bought by tourists, it attracts scammers that see the “customers” as easy marks.<p>The government won’t do anything about it until it starts negatively affecting the money coming into the country via tourism.
    • nashashmi5 hours ago
      Best way not to get scammed is to hire a tour guide. Best care. Best everything. They will tell you what to watch for. If you love Egyptology like others do, you are going to be in the targeted category for advertisement, souvenirs, and scams.
    • BoggleOhYeah4 hours ago
      Yeah. Unfortunately, that’s true of almost any place that is overcrowded to that extent. Their stagnant economy doesn’t help.
    • waschl5 hours ago
      can you tell a bit more about how you got scammed? I was in Cairo twice for business and our hosts organized nice trips through the historic sites and new museum. I intend to go there with my family one day
      • nashashmi2 hours ago
        One common way: you go for a camel ride. The camelier offers a very cheap price. He takes you far out somewhere. You get off for a bit. If you want to get back on to go back, he will overcharge you. Otherwise you walk back and that is worse.
      • honeycrispy5 hours ago
        Sonny from the &quot;Best Ever Food Review Show&quot; had a similar experience to op. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8LzuZrkEY18" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8LzuZrkEY18</a>
        • dominotw5 hours ago
          <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;iCInGp4cxhc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;iCInGp4cxhc</a><p>i guess you might be ok if you are cocooned in a safe travel group. I travel more independently, freely and let things come to me. Going on planned group iternary isnt much of an interest for me at the moment.
          • zulux4 hours ago
            I absolutely hate tours and being penned in. However, if I see expats or locals in a tour group, it tells me there&#x27;s some value there I&#x27;m missing. Served me well in India and parts of South America, for example.
            • dominotw3 hours ago
              for sure. thats how i&#x27;d travel in egypt with kids.
    • WhereIsTheTruth1 hour ago
      Egypt in Egyptian hands outperforms Roman ruins under European urban development, Native architecture under US expansion, Aboriginal sites under Australian settlement<p>:^)
    • stogot1 hour ago
      What was the scam?
    • zulux5 hours ago
      You&#x27;re not allowed to notice things.