Regardless of whether this specific claim is true, enterprises are becoming much more cautious about developer tools that can read large portions of proprietary codebases.
Wasn't one of the big promises the AI labs made "uncopyrighting"? Ie. the ability to reconstruct large works, including source code, without actual access to the source code? Everything from movies to operating systems.
Becoming? We've moved entirely in the opposite direction.<p>When these tools first appeared the <i>overwhelming</i> conversation was about the risk of letting a remote tool siphon your code and intellectual property (where eventually they're going to add that to their training). Now everyone is using them, and that fear seems to have dissolved. Every corporation is sprinkled with Claude Code, Antigravity, Copilot, Codex, and so on. Even the long fear-mongered Chinese providers are being heavily used in many spaces.<p>In this case this is a PR battle between two firms, and it isn't much more. And Alibaba isn't worried about the "proprietary code" (the truth is that there is incredibly little interest in most orgs code), but that the tool is a backdoor, or at least that is the claim.
What Claude Code did is absolutely mindboggling tho, if Chinese harness did that probably POTUS would lose sleep.
Exaggerate much? If you think POTUS would lose sleep about a date format timezone marker, I don't know what to tell you.
Wait what do you mean "if"?
<p><pre><code> 1. LOL I've just downloaded literally whole internet and copyrighted books and put them through a neural network. Now I have this whole knowledge in my LLM.
2. Hey? Are you using my NN for training your NN? you're a thief!</code></pre>
Translation: Alibaba will continue distillation attacks using accounts that aren't directly attributable to it's own corporate infrastructure.
i can see why they want to stop it but
1. you have to pay for the "attack"
2. these AI companies trained on copyrighted content without permission or attribution to anyone who's data was used to train.
(Mis)anthropic already performed "distillation attacks" on the internet.
i gonna ask: how can they still use claude? i thought all users in china are banned
Alibaba has engineers in Hongkong, Singapore, North America. It’s a global corporation
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Same way every ban is evaded, smurfing
There is a reason Singapore tops the rank on Claude usage
Does Alibaba only have developers in the China?
The same way they buy "banned" and "sanctioned" NVIDIA GPUs.
Cc can be used with non Anthropic models.
> how can they still use claude?<p>Workarounds aside, it says Claude Code not Claude.<p>i.e. they are using the CLI running any model. You can for instance run GLM with it.
Can't say they are wrong, after the latest backdoor, or let's say, undocumented functionality that leaks some data that was pushed in Claude Code few days ago<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48759754">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48759754</a>
Another reason to use open source coding agents and local language models.<p>Claude Code is neither and it is literally info stealing malware.
Considering their massive distillation, if US companies stop publishing new models to the public, would China still be able to develop new open weight models?
I don't think China would strugle to scrape the internet for fresh data.<p>And they constantly publish state of the art LLM research (see DS4 context compaction and cache tech).<p>They have very capable tech giants. So while not being able to distill western models would probably have some impact, it's probably becoming lesser as time passes.<p>We might even see Western LLMs distilling Chinese models soon. If they aren't already to some extent.
China has most probably already achieved "escape velocity" on the software side. Now if they achieve parity, to some degree at least, on the hardware side with Nvidia it is very possible they'll overtake the US.
Yes, 100%. GLM 5.2 is capable of RSI. It's too late to stop.