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That's such a pity. Building a simple AM radio receiver was a simplest and coolest electronics project to do with kids.<p>You need two transistors, a ferrite coil and a small set of simpler elements. And it is so simple you can actually explain what every part of the circuit does.<p>And then the reward... Once built you could listen to BBC regardless of where you are in Europe. My kids just LOVED IT, no Netflix K-Drama replaces this experience. My daughter was listening to BBC on her radio every night going to sleep.
Hmmm, fancy indeed. With 150kW feeding a dipole at 700 feet, I imagine that a cat's-whisker [0] would have done well-enough in London...<p>[0] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_detector" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_detector</a>
We did that in my physics high school class.<p>Then we took away components until we had virtually nothing left, a diode I think(?), and still we had some signal.<p>Turns out there was a transmitter on the top of the hill the school was also on.<p>Fun times.
Look at this fancy pants needing a transistor for that /s<p>(but yes I do miss those simpler days - but I guess the basics now is making an Arduino flash an LED)
I'm very sad to see this go.<p>I was listening to DAB in the car, not so far from here last weekend, and it kept cutting out. Whereas you could get LW everywhere!<p>I developed a love of cricket on Test Match Special from a very young age. A tiny inexpensive radio could get it anywhere. I actually never minded the interruptions from the Shipping Forecast, the real reason they kept this service up for so long. I know there are many ways to get a forecast now, none of which is as reliable as radio 4.
Some things in life happen for the very last time and we never realize it. Where were you when Jim Maxwell interrupted the test match coverage, for the final time, to declare that “listeners on long wave will now hear the shipp-ing four-cairst”? :)<p><i>With apologies to Affabeck Lauder</i>
Digital radio was always going to be crap, it doesn't degrade gradually as signal gets worse
They should have just put all the money into a better 4G network and ran radio through that.
> it doesn't degrade gradually as signal gets worse<p>That has a lot more to do with the dated implementation and less to do with digital radio. There are a number of digital broadcasting techniques which can minimize and compensate for noise, including a slight delay with a signal correction and fault tolerant codecs.<p>DAB was implemented using the old MPEG2 audio codec. DAB+ uses the now 15 year old codec HE-AAC which isn't really designed to handle corruption. Opus handles loss a lot better (see their examples <a href="https://opus-codec.org/examples/" rel="nofollow">https://opus-codec.org/examples/</a> )
Bit of hindsight bias there, DAB was first developed in the mid 1990s, ubiquitous fast wireless IP in everyone’s pockets is at least a decade, perhaps nearer to 20 years in the future. There are quite a few transitionary technologies that we needn’t have developed had we just waited for something better to come along (but without the R&D into some of them…).<p>(Also doesn’t analogue FM also kinda cut off fairly abruptly?)
FM stays listenable even with heavy distortions when you drive out of range and you can decide for yourself when you no longer tolerate the signal. Digital doesn’t give you warnings and just goes silent
Especially so with digital public TV. its absolutely unusable. and now they can't stand that people want to share sports broadcasts, so they are updating it again to add encryption. I can't believe anyone watches it.
In my experience DAB goes painfully 'squawky' and squeaky before finally cutting out, it's unbearable in headphones.<p>This video gives a good example of the signal breaking down from 00:38<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ihmXOy1h4" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ihmXOy1h4</a>
DAB+ receivers can (and many do) display signal quality. Not playing distorted, noisy signals is a feature I greatly appreciate.
It’s a digital cliff. Analog fades away but is never a true replication digital remains stable for over but then vanishes.<p>At the same quality dab is still perfectly long after fm becomes gabled. It then vanishes.<p>The problem with dab in early days was the lower strength, the poor quality decoding, and the lower bitratr than should be been used for the codec.
> Not playing distorted, noisy signals is a feature I greatly appreciate<p>Haha. The DAB+ signals are compressed as much as possible.
Some more than others. E.g. Deutschlandfunk Kultur is broadcasted in decent quality, as is NDR3. Klassik Radio fares poorer, but that's due to the bandwidth allocated to them.<p>Comparison here is FM, not FLAC.
I have a DAB radio and it gets constant interference. Meanwhile FM is stable. In the same set up.<p>Really soured me on this digital radio technology.
One-to-one communications and broadcast communications are different. Perhaps every 4G tower could broadcast the news on a special data channel, but it would be a separate system from the main 4G data channel.
A/The real reason was that electricity meters were built around a part of the signal being used to switch between price tiers but recently phased out.
BBC Radio 4 can be streamed here, including internationally: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/live/bbc_radio_fourfm" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/live/bbc_radio_fourfm</a><p>Or<p><pre><code> mplayer 'https://a.files.bbci.co.uk/ms6/live/3441A116-B12E-4D2F-ACA8-C1984642FA4B/audio/simulcast/dash/nonuk/pc_hd_abr_v2/aks/bbc_radio_fourfm.mpd'
vlc 'https://lsn.lv/bbcradio.m3u8?station=bbc_radio_fourfm%22&bitrate=320000%22'
</code></pre>
(Links from <a href="https://garfnet.org.uk/cms/tables/radio-frequencies/internet-radio-player/bbc-national-and-local-radio-dash-streams/" rel="nofollow">https://garfnet.org.uk/cms/tables/radio-frequencies/internet...</a> )
IMO, when the last LW transmitter shuts down, the whole band needs to be reallocated to hams. Realistic small-ish antennas are shockingly doable with a capacitance hat, loading coil, and counterpoise.
Best we can do is privatisation and selling it to a party donor.
There’s still a lot of utility stations in the LF/longwave band. Particularly time signals (WWVB in the US, ALS162 in France, DCF77 in Germany, JJY in Japan, etc.) and NDB beacons.<p>At least in VK/Australia, there’s the 2200 meter band, but it’s quite limited (1W power limit, CW/digital only, 135.7–137.8 kHz).<p>At the same time, as much as I don’t want the AM broadcast band to die, I’d love an amateur band in the lower/middle part of MF/MW.
> There’s still a lot of utility stations in the LF/longwave band. Particularly time signals (WWVB in the US, ALS162 in France, DCF77 in Germany, JJY in Japan, etc.)<p>I meant just the broadcast band 148.5-283.5 kHz. (Though I'd love if 2200m and 630m were just a <i>bit</i> wider.)<p>> and NDB beacons.<p>Good point[1]. So 148.5-200 kHz in ITU Region 2 (and keep LowFER allowances on 160-190kHz as a consolation prize.)<p>[1]<a href="https://www.dxinfocentre.com/ndb.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.dxinfocentre.com/ndb.htm</a>
In the UK we have 2200m but it's 1W *ERP*, so you're probably running a good couple of kW to get there with any practicable aerial.<p>We've also got a chunk just off the bottom of MW around 475kHz, which ought to be good for long-range night-time communications. It's licenced for CW, QRSS, and narrow-band digital modes.
> Particularly time signals<p>Doesn't GPS utterly replace this?
Longwave penetrates buildings better than GPS and is harder to jam.
In no way whatsoever, for low power devices.
Many wall clocks and wrist watches (Casio WaveCeptors) plus cars set their times from radio.
"Longwave" has no universally agreed defintion, but good news, amateur radio already has usage of 135.7 kHz to 137.8 kHz.<p>Building equipment that works on frequencies this low, and avoiding natural interference, can be extremely difficult.
The witness of the conspiracy practice in me says that the opposite is more likely to happen in the world whose govenments strive to limit its ineterconnectedness and turn it into a set of isolated anclaves not unlike Orwell's Eurasia, Eastasia and Oceania.<p>The next logical step in that direction would be cracking down on HAM, not liberalization of it.<p>We'll see.
I thought hams already had plenty of bands. Is there not one in this range?
There is a very small slice that amateur radio gets in this band, in theory it would be nice to have a bigger slice, but honestly, building antennas for this band to transmit anything worthwhile would be pretty hard.<p>My 7 Mhz antenna (HF, 40m band) is 67 feet long, and goes across by whole house.<p>The smallest antenna you could get away with for LF would be hundreds to thousands of feet long.<p>You might be able to go smaller if you enjoy suffering. Though, there are some pretty creative antenna designs that defy logic.
Does stapling it to your neighbours' fence lines and painting it like the wood count as creative?<p>I wonder if you can couple to your local distribution grid, and not get arrested.
Here you go. <a href="https://theradiosource.com/products/antenna-630pd.htm" rel="nofollow">https://theradiosource.com/products/antenna-630pd.htm</a>
I hate to rain on your parade, but a lot of interests want the low-frequency spectrum. It will absolutely never be allocated to amateur radio.
That station is said to be one of the signals used by the UK’s nuclear subs to assess the state of the country in a war scenario.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_of_last_resort#:~:text=with%20the%20ability%20or%20inability%20to%20receive%20a%20bbc%20radio%204%20broadcast%20having%20particular%20significance." rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_of_last_resort#:~:text...</a>
Imagine if the end of humanity is caused by everybody assuming somebody else told the captains about this.
Suspect it is the Anthorn station these days.
I hope they update their protocols
List of longwave radio broadcasters - including those that have shut down. The shutdown list is much longer than those remaining (only 7 remaining).<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longwave_radio_broadcasters" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longwave_radio_broadca...</a>
No more foxhole radios for the PoW
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxhole_radio" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxhole_radio</a>
Radio Society of Great Britain reaction: <a href="https://rsgb.org/main/radio-sport/rsgb-contest-club/bbc-long-wave-shutdown/" rel="nofollow">https://rsgb.org/main/radio-sport/rsgb-contest-club/bbc-long...</a><p>Rather defensive press release thing from the BBC: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/articles/2026/radio-4-broadcasts-on-long-wave-to-end" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/articles/2026/radio-4-broadc...</a>
There is precisely one thing that keeps 198LW online: economy seven.<p>I think the reason why its been left on so long is that it took so long to migrate to digital meters <a href="https://tradehelp.gdhv.co.uk/support/solutions/articles/79000145364-radio-teleswitch-economy-7-meters-smart-meter-migration" rel="nofollow">https://tradehelp.gdhv.co.uk/support/solutions/articles/7900...</a><p>I am also annoyed that I missed the last signal.
The last signal will be on 30 June. It's (apparently) broadcasting a loop listing alternative ways to listen to Radio 4 now.
Not quite the same as hearing it live, but the final programme transmission has been recorded here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlflWWZpb30" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlflWWZpb30</a>
I'm sad to hear the service has gone off the air. I was a constant listener to BBC Radio 4 on 198 kHz growing up in Dublin. It was a valuable window onto the world.<p>Listening to the last transmission there, I note that the continuity announcer, (the Irish) Al Ryan, signed off with 'oíche mhaith', i.e. 'goodnight' in Irish. A nice nod, I think, to all the former LW listeners in Ireland.
Seems like everyone's shutting down radio services. CHU and Weather radio in Canada too :(
These transmitters consume <i>insane</i> amounts of power. Per Wikipedia, that's 500 kW of rated transmission power for this one [1], so probably a solid megawatt of grid power input.<p>At 30 ct/kWh, that's 300€ per hour, 7200€ per day and about 2.6 million € a year - for a customer base that is only decreasing.<p>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Transmitting_Station" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Transmitting_Station</a>
Doesn't excuse CHU: two 3kW, one 5kW ERP.<p>And by the virtue of shortwave propagation, it could be heard across the world. For the past month and a half (from when the news of its impending shutdown was revealed) I was regularly picking it up in Australia right up until the bitter end.
Is that emitted power, consumed power, or effective radiated power? Without knowing that, your power calculations have no meaning.<p>Radio stations are usually measured by the last of those: Effective radiated power.<p>You can have a radio station with a 50,000 watt ERP, but running only a 2,500 watt transmitter.<p>For FM radio stations, it's all about the height of the transmitter above average terrain. For AM, it's about the ground conductivity and frequency.<p>I once worked at a 1,000-watt AM station that had a signal much larger and clearer signal than the 5,000-watt AM station a few miles away.<p>I'm not a radio engineer, but I'm sure there are plenty on HN who can correct and clarify what I've written.
Also bear in mind that Droitwitch is radiating 3 different services. Talk Sport (1053 kHz), Radio 4 (198 kHz) and Radio Five Live (693 kHz).<p>My suspicion is that this means an exciter and a stack of amps per service, which then go through a two stage combiner and out to the antenna. There might even be a pair of exciters and amps per service depending on redundancy.<p>The combiners (certainly for FM/DAB/TV services) also cause cumulative attenuation as the signal gets combined each time, so even if all 3 are radiating at the same power, the first in the chain might need twice as much amplification to make up for losses.<p>edit: MB21 (of course) has some fantastic technical info about Droitwitch: <a href="https://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1454&pageid=2072" rel="nofollow">https://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1454&page...</a> and there's some great pics here, too: <a href="https://www.radiorewind.co.uk/radio1/droitwich.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.radiorewind.co.uk/radio1/droitwich.htm</a><p>I believe they're still using a pair of Marconi B6042 transmitters (250kW each, in parallel) to provide at least one of the services.
As far as I know the medium wave services aren’t transmitted from the same antenna as Radio 4 LW, they have separate antenna, albeit with one of them (5 Live) doubling up as one of the support towers for the large long wave T antenna slung between the two large towers on site. Although I suspect the plan would be to move 5 Live to the currently unused Absolute / Virgin antenna eventually so they can demolish the long wave setup.
You're absolutely right and I was flagrantly wrong - Droitwich does use different antennas for the different LW and MF services (though still has to combine the output of two transmitters for the same service to increase the power and offer redundancy).<p>I was very much getting myself confused with some of their other transmission sites where they take multiple DAB or DTV services, modulate, amplify and combine them and then broadcast through the same antenna.
> Is that emitted power, consumed power, or effective radiated power?<p>Going by [1], emitted power.<p>[1] <a href="https://www.bbceng.info/Operations/transmitter_ops/Reminiscences/Droitwich/droitwich_calling.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbceng.info/Operations/transmitter_ops/Reminisce...</a>
I can't edit my previous comment (which incorrectly implied that the 3 stations at Droitwitch are going out of the same antenna), but I've done more research and have more information.<p>Droitwitch LW's antenna uses a T-aerial suspended between two 210m steel masts acting as massive capacitive top-loaded vertical monopole. The signal isn't beamed or shaped, it propagates omnidirectionally and this style of antenna offers _0 dB_ of ERP increase.<p>Even worse, they're transmitting AM, so the power output dynamically increases with the volume of the analogue audio being transmitted. If you cut off the input to Droitwitch, it'd still be putting out a 500kW carrier wave. When audio is applied the amplitude of the carrier is modulated, so for peak loudness (someone shouting or the loudest spike in music) it can take an extra 50% power to create the upper and lower sidebands - at peak, the Vapotron tubes could be putting out a combined 750kW.<p>The amplification stage is only ~70% efficient as well, so at peak power it's possible that the site is pulling nearly 1MW from the grid.<p>--<p>Compared to a modern UHF DTV transmitter station the differences are wild. The big transmitter near me is putting out 6* DTV MUX's at 174kW ERP each, but that's through a 15dBd UHF array at the top of the mast which gives an obscene amount of gain.<p>- Mains draw at the wall ~150kW (including cooling and ancillary systems).<p>- Total TPO (RF energy leaving the cabs) from each of the six transmitters is only ~52kW combined (8.7kW each)<p>- Output of the combiners after losses of ~0.5dB is ~46kW. We can expect another ~1.5dB of attenuation after forcing it up 300m of waveguide to the top of the tower so we're now sat at a "mere" ~33kW of RF energy going into the bottom of our antenna.<p>- 33kW with a +15dBd gain gets us to an ERP from the antenna of 1.044 MW.<p>--------------<p>Note: Numbers compiled from public sources. All mistakes and misunderstandings are mine. Whilst I do work in a tangentially related industry this is completely out of my area of expertise - in the same way that working as a cleaner at an aeroplane does not mean one knows how to fly or maintain a plane.
You'd have to calculate it by watt per area covered; FM ones are of lower power but you just need more of them coz they have lower range.
LW is still a fallback when internet and mobile go down simultaneously. Quietly important.
It’s funny that at just the phrase ‘Long Wave’ my mind jumps back the “long wave radio Atlantic 252”.<p>I miss the days of jingles.
They can pry long wave radio from my cold dead hands
<a href="http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901" rel="nofollow">http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901</a><p>One can listen to the live closure broadcast via this WebSDR website, by tuning it to AM 198 kHz.<p>"You are listening to 198 kHz longwave. BBC Radio 4 is no longer available on this frequency. However, you can find Radio 4 many other ways. You can find BBC Radio 4 online, via BBC Sounds. Radio 4 is available on DAB digital radio and through your digital television, including freely. Radio 4 is also available via FM radio, on 92 to 95 MHz and 103 to 105 MHz. Plus, you can listen via your smart speaker: just say 'play Radio 4'. Information on how to listen can be found on the BBC website, at bbc.co.uk/reception."
The Droitwich transmitter used to transmit on exactly 200 kHz which I always thought was very cool, but it moved to 198 kHz in 1988 to better harmonize with European stations.<p>The program was mostly the same as BBC Radio 4 but it used to diverge at certain times of day. I used to be woken up at 5am every day by my parents clock radio with the farming news which was very dull, but easy to sleep through.
Thanks for mentioning the actual frequency. The article says "long wave" many times without specifying what it actually means.
"Longwave", usually written without a space, is an informal and not well-defined term for radio frequencies lower than the AM broadcast band, which in Europe is known as "medium wave".<p>In the USA there have never been commercial longwave stations, though various WWV time signals are broadcast in that band.
It was my father's morning alarm, too. But he was a couple of thousand miles away in New York state.<p>That, and Atlantic 252 (I believe now long gone) were what he woke up to every morning.
Despite the name I would not have guessed you could pick up Atlantic 252 in the US. The quality of it wasn't great for listening to music.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_252" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_252</a><p>"Although the transmitter was in Ireland, the signal's reach meant that it was often looked upon as a "UK national station". Reception reports were received from such locations as Berlin, Finland, Ibiza and Moscow."
That's a real shame given the distance LW could travel: I wonder what they're going to use the frequency band for? I've tried using DAB on so many occasions and thrown it out in disgust.<p>> Given these factors, investing in upgrading the LW equipment is not considered a cost-effective solution for licence fee-funded services<p>And that's another problem - maybe the Government should step in and set up a proper Civil Defence-style warning/information system - we may well need it in a few years - it's a shame our official National Broadcaster can't fulfill the role.
Side Note -
VLF ( Very Low Frequency ) signals (3-30 kHz) propagate via surface wave or skywave, offering stable communication for submarines through saltwater.
Online stream for those without a LW AM receiver: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugd8G5w-Sfo" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugd8G5w-Sfo</a>
That is too bad, you would think these could be kept active for historical purposes. But seems these services are all being turned off even though I heard a few were very useful in this day and age.
Why would humans need to communicate on channels bots cannot control?
Why do you think bots don't control the mass media, of which longwave is just one outlet? Go to the website of any outlet that has longwave, read the AI nonsense there, realize they're transmitting the same on longwave.
As long we still have DCF77…
Listened to this in Denmark in the car just yesterday. It usually sounded awful but was the only English language news source in the car, so I’m going to miss it. Since the BBC sold the transmitters and rented them back, let’s hope we don’t get US-style right wing talk radio as a replacement.<p>At the moment they are running a goodbye loop, so you can still hear something.<p>At least there’s Radio Caroline still on 648kHz AM, so there will be a British voice still on the air.
I wonder how many of the Van Allen radiation belts is held up by this