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  • vessenes59 minutes ago
    The article says base M7 memory bandwidth is targeted at 240GB&#x2F;s.<p>M1 had 70 GB&#x2F;s, M1 Pro: 200, M1 Max 400, M1 Ultra 800.<p>Modern RTX 6000: ~1,600 or so.<p>If we get a 1,200-1,500 GB&#x2F;s bandwidth M7 variant in late 2027 with 512GB of RAM, that will be a very interesting chip. Tracking LLM size and performance improvements, I can imagine that being a sort of inflection point for local inference. I wonder what the power budget would be in desktop format.
    • aurareturn48 minutes ago
      A hypothetical M7 Ultra with LPDDR6 14.4Gbps memory would be 1.85 Tb&#x2F;s.<p>You&#x27;re look at about 100 tokens&#x2F;s for a 1T MoE 37B active 4bit model.<p>It&#x27;d probably cost $30k or more I&#x27;m guessing if memory prices do not come down. Even at $30k, it could still be a relative bargain since an RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell 96GB card costs $12k today. The M3 Ultra with 512GB was around $8k before Apple discontinued it. I expect an M7 Ultra to have 768GB or 1024GB.<p>Apple Silicon Macs were on their way to becoming cheap local LLM machines relative to professional GPUs before this memory crisis. It may still emerge as such in a few years.<p>Here&#x27;s some interesting math: At 512GB, an Ultra chip could make 42 pro iPhones. Assume a 55% profit margins, and $1200 ASP, you&#x27;re looking at $28,160 in profit from making iPhones instead. No wonder Apple discontinued the M3 Ultra 512GB. If they only have a limited supply of RAM for all their products, it makes no sense to produce an $8000 M3 Ultra 512GB when you can produce 42 pro iPhones. You can only configure an M3 Ultra up to 96GB today as of June 2026.<p>Apple would have to raise the price of a 512GB Ultra Mac to around $50k to match iPhone profits.
    • ErneX57 minutes ago
      Problem is affording the ram…
      • sambull25 minutes ago
        As some like to call it, &#x27;the last moat&#x27;.
    • segmondy10 minutes ago
      late 2027 is a very long time.
      • stingraycharles4 minutes ago
        Well yeah but NVidia just released a contender to their silicon and the M6 is probably already set in stone. Best to reshift resources to a great M7 than having a mediocre M6 and M7.<p>(This is assuming Apple will deliver, but this area is one of the biggest ones they have in AI, and they need the developer ecosystem to exist and survive)
    • UltraSane32 minutes ago
      That would cost as much as a new car.
      • bookernath3 minutes ago
        Don&#x27;t worry, they&#x27;ll just make cars more expensive
  • evanjrowley8 hours ago
    Seems like a made-up distinction that shouldn&#x27;t be necessary since M6 has not even released. I suspect this is a marketing ploy to meant to drive up both interest while also increasing prices for the next generation of Mac hardware.
    • mdasen40 minutes ago
      What it&#x27;s saying is that the M6 will be released, but not the M6 Pro or M6 Max. Instead, Apple will wait to release new Max&#x2F;Pro chips for a future generation.<p>It&#x27;s not simply marketing since the Pro&#x2F;Max chips of a generation use the same cores as the regular version, just more of them or different combinations of performance and efficiency cores.
    • coldtea4 minutes ago
      Whether it matters for the consumer (who only sees released and announced end results) or not is irrelevant.<p>It can still be a very real, not made-up distinction, if the actual facts on the ground are that Apple designed an M6 line, but then scrapped that design and asked the team to create a new design with emphasis on AI-focused specs.<p>It&#x27;s not the name that&#x27;s important (the M7 could still come out as M6), is them skipping a design, or cpu &quot;Tick-Tock model&quot; step.
    • Aurornis34 minutes ago
      &gt; Seems like a made-up distinction that shouldn&#x27;t be necessary since M6 has not even released.<p>The claim is that M6 will be released, but the only variants will be lower end.<p>When they get to the M7 generation, they will make high end variants.<p>It&#x27;s a real distinction because each generation of parts shares an architecture.<p>The article has an entire section speculating what the M6 parts will be, but says they&#x27;ll top out around 200GB&#x2F;s memory bandwidth and 12 graphics cores.
    • Kirby641 hour ago
      &gt; Seems like a made-up distinction that shouldn&#x27;t be necessary since M6 has not even released.<p>Why would it? Each generation of the M series has an architectural improvement on their chipsets. The difference between an M1 and an M1 Pro is the allocation and arrangement not the architecture. M6 to M7 presumably will have architectural changes.
      • knollimar51 minutes ago
        Is the point that M6 doesn&#x27;t exist? What change are they making that justifies M5 to M7?<p>Or did this announcement also add an M6 chip, and they&#x27;re just skipping pro?
        • Kirby6439 minutes ago
          This is no different than them skipping the “Ultra” chips on some generations. The only real difference is it going all the way down to skipping the “Pro” line. So, only the MacBook Air, low end MBP, and maybe the iPad Pro and Mac Mini get the M6.
        • ErneX46 minutes ago
          The article says the 2nd.
    • wlesieutre51 minutes ago
      Made up how? They&#x27;ll do a refresh of lower end devices, but not the high core count versions.<p>It&#x27;s the same thing as how the Mac Studio got an M4 Max refresh, but they didn&#x27;t make an M4 Ultra so if you want the 28+ core CPU or 60+ core GPU, that&#x27;s still using an M3 Ultra.<p>This time it&#x27;ll be across all the Pro, Max, and Ultra versions, if you want those they&#x27;ll stay at the previous generation for the M6 cycle.<p>Not that weird - Apple has a huge set of chips and hardware and software products. Putting every single thing on a fixed identical update cycle together won&#x27;t always make sense.
      • ethagknight48 minutes ago
        Made up: “this one goes to 11”
        • staticshock42 minutes ago
          Except that is not what&#x27;s happening. The article clarifies something that is misleading if you interpret the headline in isolation: &quot;high-end M6&quot; means &quot;the high-end variants of the M6 line&quot;, not &quot;the entire M6 line&quot;.
    • ErneX58 minutes ago
      Why? The specs and benchmarks will show the differences, there’s no marketing around that.
  • aurareturn36 minutes ago
    <p><pre><code> The M7 Pro and M7 Max are scheduled for as early as the end of 2027, while the M7 Ultra is on track for 2028. </code></pre> This means there won&#x27;t be a redesigned MBP this year since there won&#x27;t be M6 Pro&#x2F;Max chips. People were expecting a redesigned slimmer MBP with OLED display later this year, myself included.<p>I was holding out for one until I decided to switch from an M1 Pro 16&quot; MBP to an M5 Air 15&quot; due to the expected price increase. I think many M1 Pro&#x2F;Max generation people were waiting to upgrade this year.
    • GeekyBear23 minutes ago
      &gt; This means there won&#x27;t be a redesigned MBP this year since there won&#x27;t be M6 Pro&#x2F;Max chips.<p>They can release a redesigned MBP with the base M6 chip.
      • aurareturn15 minutes ago
        They can, it wouldn&#x27;t make sense from a marketing and optics perspective.<p>They don&#x27;t want to tell the world how the new redesigned MBP is the best laptop in the world but it&#x27;s slower than the older MBPs.
  • alberth24 minutes ago
    Given that M6 will be on TSMC smaller 2nm node and the first smaller node size in 3-years, it seems like the oddest of all years for the high-end Macs to skip.
    • kushie0 minutes ago
      my 2 cents is that a new tech node is harder to produce variants on. it&#x27;s easier to make new flavors of a mature tech node
  • Detrytus14 minutes ago
    Everyone seems to miss it but the article also says that M5 Ultra Mac Studio is coming out later this year. Yay!<p>I wonder how much the rumored 768GB RAM version will cost.
  • dools54 minutes ago
    Bro just give me a new iPhone mini
    • brikym2 minutes ago
      You will have a massive phone and you will be happy.
  • slwvx8 hours ago
    The URL above is wrong. At present it is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articlehttps:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2026-06-25&#x2F;apple-to-skip-high-end-m6-mac-chips-to-launch-m7-pro-m7-max-m7-ultra-instead" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articlehttps:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg....</a><p>I guess it should be <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2026-06-25&#x2F;apple-to-skip-high-end-m6-mac-chips-to-launch-m7-pro-m7-max-m7-ultra-instead?embedded-checkout=true" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2026-06-25&#x2F;apple-to-...</a>
    • scrlk8 hours ago
      Thanks for catching that - unfortunately I can&#x27;t edit the submission URL, but I&#x27;ve emailed hn@ycombinator.com to see if the mods can fix it.<p>EDIT: gift link if paywalled (archive.is capture is truncated): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2026-06-25&#x2F;apple-to-skip-high-end-m6-mac-chips-to-launch-m7-pro-m7-max-m7-ultra-instead?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc4MjQwNTU2MCwiZXhwIjoxNzgzMDEwMzYwLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUSDM4OFJUOTZPU08wMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJDNEVEQ0FFMUZBMDU0MEJFQTI0QTlGMjExQzFFOTA4MCJ9.3RpcTAgL-JUz9iWRQYzyWaSzoOhLU50chTDHkeU0GTI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2026-06-25&#x2F;apple-to-...</a>
      • dang6 hours ago
        Fixed now. Thanks to you both!
  • monirmamoun38 minutes ago
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  • behnamoh53 minutes ago
    Apple is very late to the AI party. By the time M7 is shipped, Nvidia will announce 6090 and people will be buying used (3|4|5)090 GPUs to run local models at much better performance than heat throttled M7.
    • aurareturn40 minutes ago
      And 6090 will have 48GB of RAM compared to something like an M7 Max that might have 192GB or an M7 Ultra that might have 768GB.
    • dofm43 minutes ago
      This a significant misunderstanding of which party it is Apple wants to attend.
    • ErneX47 minutes ago
      I would prefer a Studio if it does a decent enough job even if throttles a bit under load, way less power usage and noise than those GPUs plus the PC you need to put those in.
    • maxdo49 minutes ago
      same people who bought all mac mini for ai?
    • brcmthrowaway50 minutes ago
      Theyve dropped the ball bigtime.