Outside software, AI is synonymous with low quality and low effort. As in, "I don't care enough about you to bother with you myself, I'll have the AI do it". Covers news articles, emails, customer service, products, art, jobs, etc.<p>The actual quality of the AI output is irrelevant.
This is a big part of it. When you spent less time making something than you expect consumers to spend watching it, the message it sends is an insult.<p>Doubly so if the product also has quality problems inherent in AI art, video, music, not only does it communicate "your attention is not worth my time" but also "your attention is not worth putting in effort to keep".
Within software too.
At AIs absolute best (rarely) it builds software like a very competent 9-5er. It's fine, it works, it's largely inoffensive.<p>It never does anything interesting or inspired. It never gets halfway into building something and then questions the entire premise of your app. It's automated milquetoast.
>At AIs absolute best (rarely) it builds software like a very competent 9-5er. It's fine, it works, it's largely inoffensive.<p>If only middle management and c-suite knew that
> It never does anything interesting or inspired.<p>I asked Sonnet to port an old game I wrote in college to HTML5.<p>It threw out the audio and graphics system, made it a single HTML file with no dependencies, no assets, everything dynamically generated, added new backgrounds, and new music.<p>I just asked it for a port, so I was like wtf, though some of the choices it made were better than the original ones.<p>Would be nice if that "initiative" could be turned on or off on demand though. I haven't tested that. (Some guy told me "if you want creativity, use Claude. To turn the behavior off, use a different model!")
Software quality assurance can be automated in a way that artistic and textual quality can't.<p>That doesn't give you <i>good taste</i>, but .. for yer basic line of business or enterprise app, expectations were already low, and most websites have user-hostile design written into the requirements, so the damage isn't too bad.<p>I do think we've yet to see what the worst case for government contractor software project + vibe coding is. The benchmark is the Canadian gun registry <a href="https://calleam.com/WTPF/?p=1949" rel="nofollow">https://calleam.com/WTPF/?p=1949</a> "In what may be the worst budget overrun in history, the costs to implement a registry of firearms balloons from $2M to $860M". Now add token spend to that.
Much like self-driving cars being better than drunk, incompetent, or texting human drivers, AI software is generally better than the garbage churned out by code monkeys who don't care or cheap lowest bidder outsourcers.<p>It's nowhere near the quality of hand-crafted expert human code, but that requires a hand-crafting expert human engineer and takes a long time.<p>I predict that the latter will be reserved for the highest value, longest lived, or special (high performance, high security) parts of systems.
We must be using different AI.<p>Ever since Claude Opus 4.7 it's been helping me greatly ship around 3x to 5x faster, and it's good code if I tell it to follow my existing code's structures. Otherwise you have to create .md guideline files and it works.<p>It's not perfect, but again, 3x to 5x (!!!)
It’s time for people who understand how to use AI to stop trying to convince people who don’t. Let them churn their own butter, weave their own clothes, and type out their programs one character at a time. It’s what they want.
> ship around 3x to 5x faster<p>Web apps and CRUDs, if may I ask? Or is AI helping you with something that you couldn't ever do by yourself? I have mixed results across different technologies like frontend, backend, infra and hardware.
Even then when using AI just for myself I limit it to building tools, looking for errors. But when it comes to full blown generation, I just don't like what it makes.
> The actual quality of the AI output is irrelevant.<p>The actual quality of the AI output is what created that reputation.
<p><pre><code> - Everyone says it's going to take my job. Are they correct? I don't know, but I'm not excited to roll the dice.
- It's pricing out consumer computing.
- It's the final nail in the coffin for the free internet in multiple ways:
- Websites are blocking anyone with a non-standard browser to attempt to clamp down on bot scraping.
- The web is moving towards denonymization, in part to combat bot traffic.
- Websites and forums themselves are being assaulted by bot traffic, much of it divisive propaganda.
- It represents an aggressive centralization of power and resources in the hands of people with money and power.</code></pre>
The test of a technology is how it's actually used in society. What it theoretically could do in the abstract is immaterial.<p>For example, BitTorrent is a great peer-to-peer file-sharing protocol. In principle you could use this for legitimate media distribution, and in fact Rainberry Inc. (a.k.a BitTorrent Inc.) tried to do this for decades and succeeded in some one-off partnerships with legit broadcasters:<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/02/sharing-doctor-who-bittorrent-bbc" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/02/sharing-d...</a><p>In practice BitTorrent as a protocol is still mainly used for pirated video files, the same as it was 20 years ago. Meanwhile BitTorrent the company was bought by a cryptocurrency startup in 2018 and laid off most of its employees in 2023.<p><<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainberry,_Inc." rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainberry,_Inc.</a>><p>Edit: fix link and clarify
Just check the ram and ssd price, I'd say people don't hate AI enough.
Because it's disrupting the entire online field by flooding real activity fields (jobs, knowledge communities, etc.) with newcomers who are now able to give the impression of knowing something when they don't.<p>It's exhausting to find a job, it's annoying to have to parse through a plethora of AI generated content for real knowledge, it's becoming increasingly frustrating to build something when people assume you've made it using AI tools, and it's very annoying to see the only things that popup to be stuff like: AI tools listing directories, agentic this and that, AI detectors, AI creators, AI tools created to handle other AI tools, and so on.
I've been thinking about this. A few years hence (especially when robotics takes off) it may not be safe to tell people you're an AI researcher, if the average person's family has been made destitute by automation.<p>I think that's what a lot of people are expecting. Several people told me unironically they're becoming plumbers to try and delay the worst. (I think blue collar has a decade or so after white collar.)<p>They'll probably roll out UBI or a fake jobs program before things get really ugly, but I think the social and psychological adjustment will be more difficult than the economic one. (We already figured out how to send everyone free money.)
Given the amount of people on HN happily using LLMs for their everyday work and extolling the virtues of LLMs, "everyone" might be a bit excessive
I think AI optimism is an easier jump for those already immersed in computer culture, or at least the subset of that culture who view automation as a virtue.<p>For those either outside computer culture, or those within who might view "craft" as virtue, automating that craft is an affront.<p>Right now, the "automators" (pro-AI) folks seem to be pushing that culture onto the "crafters" and naturally getting pushback.
HN is like the core PR platform for AI companies. Still, you can see lots of real human beings against AI here. So, I'd say most human on HN are against AI.
you can use a tool while still hating the villains in openai, anthropic, nvidia, and so on who are ruining our lives and hobbies.
The same Pew poll had some interesting data points Krugman left out<p>- The first data point Pew presents is ~50% of Americans use Ai chat bots<p>- The second data point shows 25% of those using it is for fun and entertainment (1:8 overall)<p>- 1/4 of Americans use it daily<p>Krugman lost me when he said "Ai is dishonest" as if it has intent. He makes too much rage bait these days.
HN is a poor representation of the average American.
And the average American is a poor representation of everyone. The title reads “Why does everyone hate AI?” but repeatedly references surveys of Americans, <i>not</i> “everyone”.<p>Americans are outliers; the rest of the world has a much more favourable view of AI.<p>> AI optimism surges in Asia, unlike in the U.S.<p>— <a href="https://restofworld.org/2026/ai-optimism-asia/" rel="nofollow">https://restofworld.org/2026/ai-optimism-asia/</a><p>> U.S. Workers Are More Wary of AI Than Their Global Peers.<p>— <a href="https://www.salesforce.com/news/stories/what-leaders-should-do-about-american-workers-ai-skepticism/" rel="nofollow">https://www.salesforce.com/news/stories/what-leaders-should-...</a><p>> Majorities of Americans have pessimistic views toward the impact of AI on internet disinformation and the job market, outpacing most of the 32 countries surveyed in the Ipsos AI Monitor 2026. Americans were also the <i>most</i> likely to feel AI will make their country’s economy worse. Not every country is pessimistic about AI. Americans clearly are.<p>— <a href="https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/comparing-us-and-global-attitudes-toward-ai" rel="nofollow">https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/comparing-us-and-global-attitude...</a>
US is heavy in knowledge work and has expensive labor. So AI is posed to move employment out of US and drive employment in Asia where AI manufacturing happens.<p>Also from your last link;<p>> The pessimism isn’t uniquely American. Consistent with international Ipsos polling from 2025, the U.S. sits alongside other countries in the Anglosphere – such as Canada, Australia, and Great Britain – in being more nervous and less excited about the technology.<p>> Put simply, AI is built on weak social pillars. Despite growing adoption, many feel that AI poses a risk not only to their jobs, but to humanity as a whole. Amid a backdrop of widespread systemic distrust, the technology feeds into Americans’ belief that the economy is “rigged for the rich and powerful.”<p>> Until Americans feel the upsides of AI clearly outweigh the downsides, views of AI will likely remain negative. If AI is here to stay, so too is the backlash.<p>I think that last piece is the key part. AI hasn’t significantly improved anything for the average American. It only poses large structural risks. So, what’s to like about AI unless you’re in Asia and stand to gain from it?
Did a recent survey posted to HN not show that 60% of people dislike it? Which means 40% either like it or don't care. That's not far from average and is a long way from everybody.
So is Paul Krugman
So the title should have used "most people" then?
There's certainly a sizeable % of silicon valley morons on HN.
<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48672732">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48672732</a><p>For example..
That's just illegal anticompetitive behavior from memory manufacturers, and incompetent/corrupt/senile government officials not enforcing laws. It's as bad as it's ever been, but it's not new, and I don't think it's actually about LLMs specifically.<p>Even if prices were normal, there would still be plenty of reasons to hate LLMs, AI companies, and their products.
> because they feel that it is being forced on them.<p>Which of course it is for a lot of us.<p>Definitely, the tech industry has earned this skepticism, it didn't come out of nowhere. Decades of dark patterns, ads crammed down our throats, and now everyone has to use AI for everything? Features nobody asked for or wanted, which their bosses are tracking their usage of?<p>Aside from the obvious reasons, I am also convinced there's a state-sponsored astroturfing campaign against AI and datacenters on social media. I see dozens of accounts (some of individuals inactive for years before they starting going crazy with anti-AI/datacenter posts) posting the same things with similar or identical wording - not resharing, but creating new images with similar or identical wording.
But I do get the sense that it's true that AI is seen as a factor that could worsen the wealth concentration problem we're talking about here
It is too early to claim that Dario pushes job loss and other "doomer" narratives as a marketing strategy. IMO he has been relatively consistent up to this point in his statements. It'll be interesting to see if that changes after the recent actions by the government.
This feels pedantic but there was a survey posted on HN very recently across the US which showed that 60% dislike it. This means a whopping 40% of people either want it or don't care.<p>I can tell you from observing high schoolers for a week, everybody there was using it, teachers and students alike. Do they like it? I don't know, but they are using it.<p>The numbers against it aren't as big as the most vocal critics would have you believe.
I suspect you'll get similar results on the subject of high schoolers and social media: everyone uses it, quite a lot of them are unhappy with the outcome, but realize that you can't afford to not play the game.<p>Why <i>wouldn't</i> you use the cheat-at-homework machine?
Part of me wishes it didn’t exist (again).<p>Part of me likes having an easy mode button for so many things.<p>But all of me knows I can’t be the one person who can’t leverage it.
A high-school teacher I'm friends with observed that her students all use ChatGPT, but will also scold her if they observe her using it, which she does, to save time.
People can use something and still not like it.
I went to look for a new phone about 6 months ago - everything was AI this, AI that, all the display stands made a big deal about AI (to the extent I considered a 2024 phone because no AI). In the end I didn't buy at that point.<p>Just last week finally I <i>had</i> to buy a new phone, and so I went shopping again - this time <i>no</i> AI was mentioned <i>anywhere</i>. Not online, not on the stands in the shops, nowhere. The silence speaks volumes, as they say.
> Just last week finally I had to buy a new phone ... this time no AI was mentioned anywhere<p>It's not surprising given that "Sixty percent of US consumers say ‘AI’ in brand messaging is a turnoff, survey finds"<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48569278">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48569278</a>
For what it's worth, my ASUS motherboard from 2017 has their overclocking utility branded as "AI suite 3" (implying there were 2 before). I think having a buzzword to slap on products that fits the latest trend is a checkbox for whoever is marketing these, whether or not it fits any textbook definition of that term.
Things I had never asked for in a phone:<p>1) Increasingly more sophisticated cameras.<p>2) Fake slimness with protruding lenses.<p>3) Removing headphone jack.<p>4) Adding AI.
Because it's hate worthy.<p>It removes jobs without, at least currently, substituting an equal amount of new jobs (and even if it did, they wouldn't apply to the same people who lost theirs.<p>It serves for spam, public manipulation, and mass surveillance.<p>It constitutes massive copyright fraud.<p>It fills the web with slop.<p>It's added to products despite that users say they don't want it there, and even say they dislike it.
I work in AI, both building at a large company and consulting on the side. My manager (of two months) uses claude to reply to everyone in Teams and emails, usually filled with nonsensical slop. I believe in its potential when applied correctly but also am realizing that it's unlocking an entirely new kind of fraudster.
Technology got weaponized against the average citizen.<p>It has become a synonym for unemployment, enshittification, mass surveillance and social erosion.<p>The whole leadership of the AI industry, with almost no exceptions, sounds like a bunch of psychopaths who have no qualms about lying and get off on the idea of a populace being oppressed and demoralized by their companies.
if not bubble, then why bubble shaped
Point not mentioned: it just doesn't work that well! It lies, it reverts to the mean on every topic, it wastes the reader's time. It's toxically positive, sycophantic. It's such a good mimic that it's insidiously hard to distinguish its bullshit or fake work from real work.
>It’s the fear, the enshittification, datacenter hostility, and the tech broligarchy<p>It's also peak "tech hubris". The broader world has largely complained about Silicon Valley's "we know better than you" attitude for a long time, and the push for AI/LLMs is that attitude on steroids.
The bulk output of "AI" is pure slop without constraints. Eventually the volume of slop is so bad that people just stop engaging. It's why AI free zones will thrive but those admitting AI slop are doomed to die painful and horrible deaths in the long run.
An alternative theory: people care deeply about art, and the people who make it: artists, musicians, writers. This is a large part of what gives out society meaning, and even for people who don't think deeply about it, we intuitively understand that these artists (outside of a lucky few) get very little back compared to the effort and passion they put in, and the value they add to society.<p>And suddenly, here come all these huge, horrible companies that <i>literally</i> steal all the artist's work, by pirating it (which we've all been gaslit into thinking is something illegal but it turns out like so much else, it's only illegal if you're poor), and these huge companies have suddenly automated all this artistic creation, this previously human endeavor of creating meaning and joy and sharing passion. This makes people deeply uncomfortable because we recognize how wrong it is for all of these billionaires and trillionares to be getting ever richer while eating the creative genius of humanity and giving as little as possible back.<p>On top of that, they're spying on everything we do and feeding it to the ever hungry AI maw to automate every possible job away, and people (rightfully) think this will steal a lot of meaning from human society, converting it via LLMs into a dollar value, which, again, sits in the billionaire's pocket, not yours.<p>So yes, people are angry about this in a way they weren't angry about e.g. spreadsheets, or cheap international communication. Because it's genuinely different, and people recognize that.<p>AI is out of the bottle, and we cannot put it back. But equally, we cannot live in a world where it creates trillionares, where everyone is made poorer and poorer while the things that give them meaning get automated away (whether that's art, science, philosophy, mathematics, coding, or anything else).<p>The only way I can see forward is of this gets treated like a utility, with strict controls on AI companies - training on public data allowed but then the thing you create gets recognized as a public good, and you earn the money back by serving it via an API, but with strict limits on how much you can charge and no ability to arbitrarily lock people out.<p>I don't see the US achieving this, unfortunately, and it'll probably be looked back on as one of the long list of things that lead to it's downfall.
The essay lays out a wide range of reasons why normal people reasonably fear that their OWN lives are going to get worse, but your assumption is that what they really care about is the lives of artists, despite the fact that you admit that they understand they have always lived in a world where nearly all artists get very little back compared to their efforts?<p>That seems more likely your own sentiments, rather than an plausible explanation as to why most people have feelings on this issue.<p>I'm not saying that this isn't the main reason for some people (for example artists fearful about the technology) or that it doesn't come up in conversation in some niches--young educated people from the West who are terminally online.<p>But is it really likely to be a true root cause of broad concern across society?
I have a friend that argues this a lot an while I have done creative stuff, I just don't intuitively feel it. I've seen and heard very creative generated stuff.<p>Is it unfair and does it suck that creatives aren't getting paid? Yes. But this is nothing new and I don't know how I feel that they deserve special compensation when people work their entire lives for pennies to support their families. It is though the artist is thought of as superior because "creativity" but other jobs are seen as lesser. I don't find the same uproar on HN when those jobs were shit and have been. It's when it touches us, the creatives, that we care. I don't feel that way.<p>If you want to put your heart into something, the output is what you created, artists have often not worried about compensation or recognition because often they don't get it. You have to do it because you want to, and nothing has changed from that perspective.
Also, art is about emotion and empathy. AI does not feel. It can imitate feelings, it can say "I'm sorry" but it won't feel sorry.<p>And I think this is also reflected in a lot of AI-generated art. Yes, it is fascinating to a degree and it "looks" like art, but it doesn't "feel" like art. It's heartless. It's soulless. And I say that as someone who doesn't even believe in a soul.
That, <i>and</i> the people doing this cheered it on obnoxiously on social media.<p>This is IMO one of the factors that people who want us to be China hawks have missed; there isn't a huge industry of Chinese thought leaders being obnoxious in English on English-dominated social media. While the US powerful thought leaders like Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and (to a much lesser extent) Larry Ellison all own social networks which they use constantly to beef with the general public.
Krugman continues to be late to the party, but at least he's put thought into it this time.
I think the animosity comes from most people just encountering the "slop". Generated ads, fake content or low quality music.
The hard-core heavy-duty hate is all economic.<p>People are angry about economic issues like low wages and unaffordable real estate but we've been beaten into learned helplessness on those things. Nothing can be done. Both parties are bad. The right promotes corrupt oligarchy and regressively transfers wealth upward, the left prevents new home construction (driving real estate costs) and regulates away everything but service industries and white collar jobs that AI is now replacing.<p>The worst AI hate I've seen comes from artists and creatives. I've found the AI hate in those communities to be white hot bordering on people talking about violence.<p>My early take, which I think is still valid, is that <i>actual art</i> is very unlikely to be replaced by AI. AI generated visual stuff looks bland, cliche, or has this weird "plastic" look. AI generated prose is boring. AI generated stories are hilarious barrages of tropes played exactly straight, cliche characters, basically just like paint by numbers bad TV writing or even worse. If real artists find ways to use AI, it won't be this way. It'll be as an assistant or they'll get in and hack it and make it do exactly what they want, much like artistic experimental photography.<p>But I'm only half right, and when I realized this I understood the hate.<p>AI is not replacing "true art," and it won't even if true artists end up finding ways to use it (like artistic photography etc.). But what it is replacing is what a lot of artists make their money doing: commercial art, making "content," ghostwriting, first-pass editing, graphic design, web design, that kind of thing.<p>That's not pour-your-soul-into-it capital-A Art, but it's what pays the bills. AI is absolutely decimating the market for that.<p>So back to my first point: it's all economic.
The monied are all dogpiling money, water, electricity, pc hardware into it in their classic stupid tulipomania way (Just like with NFTs and Crypto before)<p>The management class in corporations are obsessed with it, they are delusional and think they can finally use it achieve their dreams of having no workers. They are forcing their workers to use it somehow.
The are also foisting it unasked onto consumers in their products in the most stupid way. just wrecking their products.<p>And the reality of it is that.. The current crop of LLMs are excellent chatbots; they're very good at fooling a human into believing that they are intelligent.. They're good for shitposting and making silly images.. They have a few other quite situational niche uses, but that's about it.<p>I'm just pissed off at the stupidity and waste of it all. Like the Easter Islanders, our elites are driving our society straight into the ground.
>We're going to take your jobs and possibly kill you and also Jeff Bezos might get to live forever, ahahahahahaha!<p>Is this really a mystery?
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