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  • mattas1 hour ago
    &quot;415 metric tons of goods. That means they have about five times more cargo space than an airplane, but are five times smaller in length than a typical container ship.&quot;<p>Not to take anything away from this (it&#x27;s great), but for reference, an average vessel in Maersk&#x27;s fleet can carry about 100,000 metric tons so you&#x27;d need about 250 of these to replace a single container ship.<p>Not sure why the article decided to compare cargo capacity of a airplane with the length of a container ship, but alas.
    • bluGill51 minutes ago
      This might be useful for a tiny island. Ship from a large Caribbean island to a small one for example. The distance means the round trip is day (night?) trip, and there a things you want shipped in every day, but airplanes are expensive. I&#x27;m sure there are other niches where there is only a small amount of cargo going from point A to point B as well. However in general the world needs more cargo and so this doesn&#x27;t make sense for most.
      • ZeroGravitas30 minutes ago
        Island hopping is a niche where electric flight might get started.<p>Hawaii is looking at running some next year.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;hawaii&#x2F;article&#x2F;hawaii-electric-airplane-22086425.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;hawaii&#x2F;article&#x2F;hawaii-electric-airpla...</a>
      • mattas46 minutes ago
        I actually think there&#x27;s an argument to be made for this to be an alternative to typical cargo ship operations.<p>The challenge when moving goods via ocean vessel is that everything takes _a long_ time. Loading and unloading the vessel can take days. Transit is weeks. Unloading the vessel takes days.<p>You have 2 options now: air freight which is crazy expensive but gets it there in a few days max or ocean freight which is relatively cheap but might take weeks. If you can cut out vessel loading&#x2F;unloading you save at least a week.
      • SirFatty47 minutes ago
        Maybe they might not be restricted to Long Beach or Port Newark.
        • bluGill5 minutes ago
          Those ports have the rest of the infrastructure though and so it makes other logistics worse
    • __sy__45 minutes ago
      This was my exact intuition. At 450 metric ton, we&#x27;re three orders of magnitude away from what large container ships can do. It&#x27;s a nice PoC but this is clearly just PR from DHL.<p>Air freight is also an odd comparison since it&#x27;s usually time-sensitive and&#x2F;or pricey ($100+ per pound).
  • lschueller28 minutes ago
    In the big picture I am again and again fascinated by this. One of the oldest commercial services out there (post &#x2F; shipping) proves repeatedly to be very innovative and strong in realization of new stuff like this. They were the first or one of the first, who deployed electrical cargo vans. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Streetscooter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Streetscooter</a><p>To be accurate, they bought the startup. But still: they didn&#x27;t wait for the automotive company to come up with a e cargo van.
  • calmbonsai24 minutes ago
    Let&#x27;s see it last. It won&#x27;t. This is just a short-term private endeavor&#x2F;vanity-press project. Just because a business uses a &quot;sustainable technology&quot; does not make it a sustainable business. Comparing cargo ships to airplanes is apples vs. oranges and reveals the author&#x27;s deliberate &quot;headline&quot; motivation and lack of technology understanding compared to the actual ground truth of shipping.<p>Until fuel prices change for the long-term and&#x2F;or emissions regulations have an order of magnitude uptick as well as covering far more than sulfur (see IMO 2020 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;MARPOL_73&#x2F;78#IMO_2020" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;MARPOL_73&#x2F;78#IMO_2020</a> ), there will be <i>zero</i> economic incentive to use wind-power over diesel&#x2F;bunker-fuel power.<p>And no, any advantages of docking at smaller ports are defeated by those ports having less land-transit access and we <i>already</i> have fleets of (smaller) cargo vessels serving these ports at insanely low $&#x2F;ton&#x2F;mile rates.<p>Just like farms, <i>all</i> of the economics point to larger vessels, larger ports, and operating entity consolidation. See &quot;The Box&quot; by Marc Levinson <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.co&#x2F;d&#x2F;0gtBkWwt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.co&#x2F;d&#x2F;0gtBkWwt</a> or watch a few &quot;What&#x27;s Going On With Shipping&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@wgowshipping" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@wgowshipping</a> videos.<p>It will take some sort of global political or environmental catastrophic externality to even budge, let alone change, the status quo.
  • zdw36 minutes ago
    Someone should make a sport out of this.<p>We already have sailing sports where people race all kinds of wind-powered vessels, and they push the envelope of tech development, just like F1 and the car industry.<p>Also rich people love this sort of thing. Give them something to do with all that money that has some sort of chance of improving things.
    • mockerell26 minutes ago
      Look no further! SailGP is pretty much the maritime version of F1
    • colechristensen11 minutes ago
      The startup building and operating the boats was founded by a famous yacht racer
  • nickserv5 minutes ago
    This will be great for their customer service, now they&#x27;ll have a new excuse for losing your package.
  • flowingfocus1 hour ago
    For anyone interested in economics and life cycle math (for sailing in general, not the trimarans they are using here) I recommend <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;solar.lowtechmagazine.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-to-design-a-sailing-ship-for-the-21st-century&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;solar.lowtechmagazine.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-to-design-a-sa...</a>
  • strongpigeon53 minutes ago
    At the risk of sounding overly negative, these things are pretty much always vanity projects. Someone wanted a really cool boat and managed to get some investors onboard. It’s more about an aesthetic than a business case.<p>We’re talking here about a fairly large crew that will transport a small amount of cargo while taking a really long time. On top of that, these aren’t container ship so loading&#x2F;unloading will take a long time. There is no economic case here.<p>The only way you can make this somewhat work is by selling the aesthetic&#x2F;story. E.g.: this coffee was shipped by sailboat. But even then, notice how every company linked in the article of another commenter aren’t actually operating anymore…
  • burkaman1 hour ago
    I love this idea, but do these ships exist yet? I can only find renderings, and the company&#x27;s &quot;roadmap&quot; page is not a roadmap (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vela-transport.com&#x2F;feuille-de-route&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vela-transport.com&#x2F;feuille-de-route&#x2F;</a>).<p>The only real footage I can find is a construction video from a year ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instagram.com&#x2F;reel&#x2F;DL9CSLdtkaP&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instagram.com&#x2F;reel&#x2F;DL9CSLdtkaP&#x2F;</a>
    • jeroenhd23 minutes ago
      The ships aren&#x27;t new, but a large transport operator like DHL buying into the concept is.<p>Well, unless you count pre-motor cargo ships of course, those were the only option for centuries.
  • CodeWriter2331 minutes ago
    &gt; &quot;The wind-powered boats could be especially appealing when oil prices have shot up because of the Iran war.&quot;<p>Check of oil prices same day article was published:<p>WTI $73.51&#x2F;bbl BRENT $77.57&#x2F;bbl MURBAN: $70.46&#x2F;bbl
  • ecshafer58 minutes ago
    This is like the 1984 calendar ripping meme except the year is 1600.
  • jeffbee48 minutes ago
    20 years ago I read this magazine article about putting kites on container ships for efficiency. This gadget seems to have durable appeal to entrepreneurs and&#x2F;or suckers.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;technology-quarterly&#x2F;2005&#x2F;09&#x2F;17&#x2F;sailing-ships-with-a-new-twist" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;technology-quarterly&#x2F;2005&#x2F;09&#x2F;17&#x2F;sa...</a><p>The company recently went bankrupt, by the way. It turns out that gigantic container ships are already incredibly efficient.
  • flixspiek28 minutes ago
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