The headline buried the lede -- this is a way to get some summer vacation (niiice) AND encourage enterprise support contracts, which will still have availability. I don't think I've heard of this particular open source / support / summer vacation business model before but I like it!
I liked the idea as well, maybe OSS should adopt 6 months availability and 6 months for enterprise support schedule. This way both could benefit, OSS gets more funding, enterprise gets support (cheaper than hiring full-time employee for specific OSS)
Here I was thinking that cURL's (non-existent) enterprise support contracts were a polite way to tell brain-dead paper pushers to GTFO: <a href="https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/01/24/logj4-security-inquiry-response-required/" rel="nofollow">https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/01/24/logj4-security-inquir...</a>
It's an extremely un-European approach. European companies normally ignore their paid customers too from May to August.
Incorrect. In europe, either july or august, is the informally agreed upon "vacation month" which means that both customers and vendors scale down and go on vacation, and work slows down to very low levels. That means you need a lot less employees than usual in order to provide for the customers that do not go on vacation.
To be fair, at least in Spain, things get really slow during the summer, basically from May to the end of August, even if "officially" everything is just "slow and closed" during August. During August, anything productive is basically impossible to get done, the months around are still slower than the rest of the year.<p>Of course, "European companies normally ignore their paid customers too from May to August" is factious, but there is a slight hint of truth in there, in that things generally is slower, at least in the South/West countries I'm more familiar with.
Vacation months*, plural. All project timelines were aligned to wrap up important things by the end of May. June is still operational but mostly focused on reporting, shaping and generally preparing for September when (mostly) everyone will be back, refreshed and ready for new adventures.
ignore is not the right word.
I mean, looking at most us company's..
What support?
> > The bad guys won’t rest<p>> Probably not. But we will.<p>A pleasant dose of humanity in decidedly inhuman times.
Especially since it appears there is a solution if you truly need a fix.<p>> Or you get a support contract and we get to read about it earlier.
> Especially since it appears there is a solution if you truly need a fix.<p>If you ever <i>really</i> need anything fixed in the open source world, there is always the option of doing it yourself
Doing the fix yourself is almost always the easy part. Disclosing it and getting a patch shipped across the entire Internet is the hard part.
Yes - and realistically, if you're $BIGCO who's shipped a billion devices with some obscure curl vulnerability you just discovered, then the hard part is going to be rolling out a patch to all of them anyway, which is still a 'you' problem.
In 2026 there is a considerably cheaper/quicker solution, but that in no way invalidates OSS maintainers' right to enjoy a summer vacation without interruption.
That was just a beautiful, period.
I worry that this will make the bad guys focus on finding zero days during the month they have free to exploit anything they find, but I don't doubt that they need a break.
Mythos found only one. Would have to be pretty serious bad guys.<p><a href="https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/05/11/mythos-finds-a-curl-vulnerability/" rel="nofollow">https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/05/11/mythos-finds-a-curl-v...</a>
The bad guys wouldn't have submitted a vuln report anyway.
Pretty sure if you find a zero day in a software like that you don’t wait until a certain month.
if a company has a problem with this pay for support if its not worth the money …
Cool, then it's down to everyone using this library to figure out how they can minimize the impact of a zeroday in curl - security should never be down to a single part of a system.
Is this likely though? If you are an AI slop model that
spams out finding bugs and vulnerabilities, would you
want to become more active when you see that a project
is not actively fixing bugs? Because in my opinion, it
really would not matter for any AI model how active a
project is, when it comes to FINDING existing loopholes.<p>In other words, I would always go at full speed (as an
evil AI slop model) and most likely never release any
findings of flaws and loopholes, so they can be exploited lateron. Bad folks don't want to be caught; remember the xz utils backdoor.<p>I am sure some AI slop models are used by criminals.
And they may exploit things at a later time, but they
most likely have found issues already. Not every AI
slop model would report.<p>The notion of "the bad guys will now be more active" is
strange really in the AI slop age. (We had the stone
age; now we have the slop age)
For the people here who want to do the same when they are vacation (be completely detached from work): Make it impossible for you to work! Leave your work devices behind! Log out of all accounts, remove 2FA keys after backing them up on paper and tell your partner to not give them back to you for the duration of your vacation, etc. I actually went to a country from which I wasn't allowed to work remotely. Crazy but it was that bad for me.<p>Signed: Former workaholic.
One of the reasons I left North America for Europe is that such things are normalised. The cultural difference is staggering.<p>In Germany, if you are on vacation, you are simply not available. You are dead to the world until you return. Emails do not get read, and devices get left at the office.<p>Another neat thing is that if you get sick on vacation, you get your vacation days back, because vacation days are for resting and recovering.
I'm a senior at a big tech company. You can do this in America too. Just communicate with your manager and set the boundary. "By the way, when I'm on vacation I'm away from devices, so let's coordinate beforehand if there's anything critical path."
> if you are on vacation, you are simply not available. You are dead to the world until you return. Emails do not get read, and devices get left at the office.<p>It's funny because that's kind of the definition of a vacation in my book. I find it weird that some places in the world handle it differently.<p>Note that it's also much better for the company in the long run: It's a test of resilience and redundany, the famous bus factor. It simulates what happens if someone is not available, and forces the organization around to have a backup plan. Having those is important for cases where employees leave the company or team (switching jobs/teams, accidents, sickness, parental leave, death, burnout, layoffs etc.). It's mind-boggling how many leads at various levels just don't understand that.
I've lived and worked in America my entire life, and in my approximately 40 years of working I've never had a job where I was expected or had to arrange to be available during a vacation. For the odd unplanned personal day maybe I'd try to check email and have my phone with me. But vacation, never.
This is how it should be though - nobody should be irreplaceable. Look up bus factor etc.
Not to forget that you get a minimum of four weeks of vacation per year with 30 days being offered most of the time.<p>This year I used my vacation time well and I already had 3 weeks off while I still have almost 4 weeks left.
Thanks for the reminder that this shouldn't be taken for granted. I am a German and sometimes this privilege feels so normal that it's unthinkable that it could be different elsewhere in the world.
It can honestly be annoying, if you're not privvy to it.<p>I remember years ago needing urgent support for some bespoke European hardware we were developing software for. When we called support, we were greeted with a phone message stating the company was closed for the entire month due to vacation. This was not a one-man operation; the whole office closed for a summer holiday. We thought it was a joke.<p>Needless to say we started to look for a new vendor shortly thereafter...
I'm surprised, typically we don't all take vacation at the same time, but stagger it.
It really depends on the areas. On white collar jobs yes. It is more frequent in blue collars workers because it is easier to close completely or partially (several lines) in a factory than having to manage different vacations schedules. Constructions companies also do stop because you usually need most workers available + hot weather makes it harder anyway. Small/familiar companies also do it frequently because it doesn't make sense to work if you have dependencies on a number or unavailable persons.
It's not entirely uncommon, even companies like Volkswagen have 3 weeks of summer vacation. Strictly speaking, some people still work there for maintenance, etc. that can't be done while making cars, but the majority is on vacation.<p>I know a handful of companies with a week of mandatory Christmas vacation as well (but there's typically not too many working days between Christmas and New Years' either way).
In England, I had summer jobs in factories when I was a teenager, since they needed extra hands to help with cleaning / maintenance during the annual shutdown.<p>I don't know if this work would have been offered to staff who turned it down, or if they preferred to have their staff on holiday at the same time.
My advice is don’t ever buy anything that might need support from New Zealand between 24 Dec and 5 Jan. The entire country is just about closed (other than non-niche consumer stores).<p>Many companies force staff to take vacation days during this time, and there are four (yes four!) public holidays during this period.
I mean, that's not usual at all in Europe either.
I think my POV on this is a bit different than what others are expressing… I don’t mind answering the occasional email while on vacation, but I view it as a fair trade - as long as the company doesn’t mind me handling the occasional personal obligation during work hours I don’t mind handling the occasional work obligation during personal hours. If the company wants to be strict about clock in/out hours or taking PTO for every 30 minute errand or the work trends in a way that routinely exceeds 40 hours per week total then I’ll stop doing work “off the clock”, but so long as they’re willing to be reasonable I’m willing to be reasonable.
This is one of the reasons I work in an office every single day. I leave my work laptop there. I don't have any work software on any of my personal devices, including my phone. If I had the ability to check in on work things while out of the office, I probably would, so I make it impossible.
This seems like a lot of extra work. If at all possible, just keep your work stuff on your work laptop/computer. And then keep that at home/at work. No need to sign in and out of 20 different accounts.
> This seems like a lot of extra work<p>Music to the ears of a workaholic :)<p>Seriously, that'd be nice if everyone would do this (and I do it now, very strictly) but I also know how easy for one to start blurring the lines between work and personal lives.
My company have accidentally forced this on me, and it is great.<p>I used to have a desktop that I could VPN+RDC into from my personal laptop or desktop to work away from the office¹. I've now got a laptop, that refuses to let me authenticate remotely and they have no interest in fixing that as there are other priorities, so I simply can't work if I don't have that laptop with me and I'm not carting it around when I'm already carting my own around (and if I'm not carrying my own, it is because it isn't a suitable situation to be bringing any laptop).<p>Not a workaholic, I don't think, but a 24/7 stress monkey when I think that I could be helping. Simply not being able to work away from the office actually helps with that: if there is literally nothing I can do, especially given it is work that has made that impossible, I don't stress the same way.<p>--------<p>[1] other than the VPN connector and the MFA doo-hicky on an old² phone, <i>nothing</i> work related, even Teams, even email, <i>ever</i> touches my personal devices<p>[2] a small old thing, factory reset with a dummy google account and just the MFA apps installed
> Not a workaholic, I don't think, but a 24/7 stress monkey when I think that I could be helping<p>I er... think you might be a workaholic.<p>But I'm glad for you that your current setup is helping :)
I now want to seek an on site role and request a desktop computer.
Easy, that has always been my whole European life, want to reach me on vacations, pay for it.
> <i>Leave your work devices behind!</i><p>Specifically, if your job offers (a) to pay for your personal phone line, or (b) a work mobile phone, choose (b).<p>We have the choice at $WORK, and many teammates chose (a) as it allows them to save some money each month on their phone bill, but now you're basically constantly tethered.
As a manager, I will quite literally ding people for working when they are supposed to be off.<p>Work during work time, don't work during not-work time. Good practices mean that everyone is important, but nobody is irreplaceable, the team and the work will move along a little slower, but that's fine.
Quote from my partner's manager before a vacation:<p>"If I see you log on, I'll disable your account."
I had a colleague at my previous company where we had to log her out of everything and ask IT to keep her logged out until their vacation was done every single time. Her water broke during her pregnancy leave <i>and she still replied to someone asking her a question in Slack</i> near real-time, after which we made her uninstall Slack from her phone altogether lol<p>Some people are just workaholics and need interventions to actually take a proper holiday.
Humm he means figure out everything you’re signed in to before going on vacation and log off?<p>Personally I’m sure I’d forget to sign out of something.
No, they don't mean "you should log off everywhere" literally; rather, "don't open Teams/Slack/${our_corporate_chat_software}".
Probably more Teams autostart and suddenly you appear in the online list when you are officially on vacation.
<i>extremely</i> relevant recent Kai Lentit skit:<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7kBOH9owI" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7kBOH9owI</a>
Being the only dev in a startup since 2 years without a single day off where I wasn't messaged by my employer I want this. At least I'll have a 3 week out of country trip where I do not bring my laptop later this year...
You should really consider another place to work at, unless you own a massive, measurable chunk of the company in a legally binding way.<p>The only people who should suffer this much are the true busines owners.
I don't, but I enjoy a lot of perks that I would not get anywhere else. Thats why I stay. Basically work when I want, where I want. 100% remote if I choose to do so. Very flexible days off (maybe that's also why I am contacted a lot during those days). Almost no meetings, and relatively good pay.
That's exploitation, no? You're just scammed into it, because you let it slide.
Honestly, that is just bad management. It can make sense if it's your company, but even then, the risk profile is just off the charts. What happens if your only developer leaves or gets sick?<p>Real engineers think about handling things when stuff goes wrong, not "everything will be on the happy path forever".<p>Yes, there are constraints, but to me this sounds like an unacceptable level of exposure.
You're a good person.<p>My manager doesn't stop overworking. When told on peer performance review that we have people who are consistently overwork because they are swamped, he played it down.<p>But hey, at least he doesn't <i>encourage</i> overworking either.
Kai Lentit just dropped a video on precisely this<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7kBOH9owI" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7kBOH9owI</a>
> Log out of all accounts, remove 2FA keys after backing them up on paper<p>Seems like a lot of extra work, just to go on vacation :)<p>I would suggest another approach. Automate your work, that you can work from your phone. I go on multi day hiking trips, or a week long family beach holidays, without taking PTO...<p>Edit: I do not get negative reactions. Big part of my work is to monitor system, and answer questions. I spend less time on my phone than most social app users! I still do heavy coding in office a few times a month. And I am self employed for nit pickers.<p>Work does not have to be sufering, you can enjoy it!
>> Log out of all accounts, remove 2FA keys after backing them up on paper [...]<p>>> Signed: Former workaholic.<p>> Seems like a lot of extra work, just to go on vacation :)<p>That's the point, this person and plenty others, are NOT able to "just" go and disconnect. If you can do that, wonderful for you, but please don't assume others are like you precisely when they are humble enough to clarify that they do have a problem and try to help others to overcome it.
Regarding your edit, you might be ok with going on a multi-day hiking trip or family holiday while still doing some amount of work from your phone, but many of us think that's a bad idea.<p>Truly disconnecting from our work is necessary for our mental health. When I'm on vacation, I want to <i>be on vacation</i>, which means not working.<p>Again, maybe you don't want to actually fully be on vacation from work. I guess that's fine; you do you. But I don't think that's healthy for most people, and regardless of health, many people do just want to completely disconnect from work for some number of days.
You're basically saying to get a different job.<p>That's going to work in some situations, but it's not broadly applicable for many reasons. In particular it's <i>way</i> more work than the act of backing up 2FA and logging out of everything. So yeah, it makes a lot of sense for people to think that's not good advice.
This is the ideal, but in practice you need to own the business to live this way..
I can only applause this decision. Maintainers of FOSS project are constantly overwhelmed with close to 0 reward and with LLMs now the management of merge requests exploded even further.
The fact that they actually keep providing support to paying users is enough.
For anyone who thinks this might matter for security:<p>* curl is mature enough that the chance of an impactful bug is basically zero
* if there is such a bug, I'm sure someone will figure out how to get in touch with Daniel and co
* if there is such a bug, it's more important that it gets patched in package managers and rolled out. Upstream releases can wait.
> if there is such a bug, I'm sure someone will figure out how to get in touch with Daniel and co<p>No, that is the point, they are not going to accept your vuln report. They are taking a holiday.
Except if you pay them for a support contract. So there is a way, and it's actually a pretty obvious way.
There's a pretty big difference between a random report submitted via email, and, say, a close friend of the maintainers letting them know a serious vuln was found and they should login.
Curl maintainers are clearly going to still be using computers to provide support for paid customers.<p>But the message is pretty clear: if you’re not a paid customer, you are not getting patches or support from upstream during this month.<p>Plan accordingly.
Not if it's a real vacation. If it was me then there would be no way I'd log in. Maybe this will increase the sales of support contracts.
> curl is mature enough that the chance of an impactful bug is basically zero<p>Curl is also something that should be thoroughly sandboxed to begin with, because even if there are no vulnerabilities in curl itself, its a tool for downloading arbitrary data over the internet, and you may well accidentally trigger vulnerabilities in every other part of your environment just by downloading arbitrary data to your shell...
What this shows me (again) is that the whole system where vulnerabilities need to be constantly discovered, reported, analyzed, then patched, then the new version distributed to every singe user - again and again - is quite obviously unsustainable. The industry <i>must</i> come up with some alternative system for dealing with bugs and security issues. Currently the industry prefers to play dumb and turn its own failures into a profit (rent seeking) opportunity.
as much as I feel for the maintainers here, this sort of (again) puts the spotlight on our collective dependence on a handful of individuals basically working for free _with no backup_.
Most normal organizations stagger vacations to avoid these things. Most normal organizations _have_ to do this, because their customers require it. Here, we're all customers of curl, but not really. It's a weird, IMO unhealthy, twilight zone that isn't good for anybody.
And it surprises - and saddens - me that not even friggin curl has the financial muscles to have somebody on-call for one month...
You'd be surprised to learn this about free and open source software, but if a maintainer is unavailable, you have both full rights and full source code to... wait for it... fix it yourself (or pay someone to)!<p>There is something unhealthy in this relationship only if you project "no warranty" into unrealistic expectations.
This is true for the majority of open-source projects, but the most serious ones, on which a lot of software/businesses/infrastructure depends, are controlled by foundations or some kind of other management entity.<p>cURL also offers paid support and also paid access to the rock-solid (LTS) version, with guaranteed response times, and the blog post states that there's still people to respond to these.
You don't really though. Sure you can fork it and fix your issue, but then what? Are you going to maintain your fork in perpetuity? Are you going to patch all the software that depends on the code you fixed to use your version instead of upstream? Are you going to get your <i>users</i> to do that too?<p>In most cases this is extremely impractical.
> but then what?<p>Then you send the patch upstream, they incorporate and maintain it for you. Congratulations, you just FOSSed.
> Then you send the patch upstream, they incorporate and maintain it for you<p>Firing patches upstream is still adding burden to the (likely already over-burdened) maintainers.<p>In an ideal world, if you want a patch upstreamed, you would be contributing to upstream maintenance (or at least donating to the upstream maintainers)...
Fair, but it is less of a burden than just submitting a report with no proposed fix. Also, submitting quality patches regularly seems to be a good way to eventually become a maintainer, provided that both sides are interested (cURL generally is – at least that seemed to be the vibe at the last year's cURL Up event I attended).
Yes, you can maintain your fork for perpetuity if you can't/will not get your changes upstream. Why is that a problem?<p>If you're using any complicated FOSS professionally and you have SLA with your customers to say fix issues within day or two you don't have a choice anyway.
They do, he said at the end if you have a support contract then they will respond and deal with security issues.<p>I guess the whole point of the article is to show that people should buy a support contract if they need support.
They do.<p>> Everyone with a paid support contracts will of course still get full and appropriate service even during this period.
It does. The article clearly says that if you have a paid support contract they will be on-call as per usual.
> And it surprises - and saddens - me that not even friggin curl has the financial muscles to have somebody on-call for one month...<p>Is it that they can't or don't want to. I'm sure curl is popular enough that it could attract a co-maintainer if it wanted to. Of course there is a cost to that. Software projects done effectively by a single person are often more focused and designed more coherently. I'm not sure curl would be as good a product if there were multiple maintainers with potentially conflicting visions.
And I'm assuming you're not going to pay for them to have that someone on-call, even though you're worried about this scenario
Consumers, not customers
They do. You just seem to expect that it will somehow be free.
I wonder how far we are from the agents just maintaining the packages
Reminder: ‘the software is provided “as is”…’.<p>It’s not their problem that you, or anybody else, think you are owed 24/7/365 emergency support.
The thing which bugs me is that OpenAI (which is an unprofitable company) is spending around what 100k$ per month for an completely AI generated slop called Openclaw. (All because of Hype)<p>I have seen there to be an more influx of open source software as people are starting to create more software with vibe-coding and other things and just open-sourcing it, which while good in OSS'ing it but its mostly less valuable as compared to the curl codebase which was created by hand and over the years improved itself.<p>Yet the funding is going towards making more and more (OSS/non-OSS) AI slop by people, companies and dare I say countries yet we are unable to take the same wealth and money into, say, the curl project (and the likes)<p>There is also an visibility issue. We all know curl and this is the state of curl. Imagine all the projects which we all don't know that much about or aware about going through same issues.
>The thing which bugs me is that OpenAI (which is an unprofitable company) is spending around what 100k$ per month for an completely AI generated slop called Openclaw. (All because of Hype)<p>For whatever reason, real people seem to <i>desperately</i> want Openclaw regardless of it being AI generated slop.<p>OpenAI is certainly not wasting the money they're spending on Openclaw, even if I personally wouldn't want to touch that particular piece of software.
> For whatever reason, real people seem to desperately want Openclaw regardless of it being AI generated slop.<p>I can agree with it but I am unsure how much the desperation is out of FOMO or out of real use-cases.<p>Surely curl has more use-cases and projects relying on it than OpenClaw.<p>The demand seems to be generated out of hype rather than sustainability. Openclaw project isn't even an year old and from my time hearing about it, it isn't safe or sustainable in any fashion and it seems that the hype around Openclaw has now started to slow down as I hear less about it (which to me is actually a good thing imo) but it shows what the market reality of these tools currently are (at the moment).
>I can agree with it but I am unsure how much the desperation is out of FOMO or out of real use-cases.<p>I frequently run into people using it, they seem happy with it. I remain highly skeptical about this being a good idea, but I'm quite convinced that many people genuinely really like it and find it useful.
> I frequently run into people using it, they seem happy with it. I remain highly skeptical about this being a good idea, but I'm quite convinced that many people genuinely really like it and find it useful.<p>That can be the case and good for them, at the very least its open source software that they are using and it raises more awareness about them.<p>But I think that we have strayed a bit afar from my main premise that I think we both agree on that although the value of an project is always subjective and its up to the companies on how they direct the funds to. It's Okay for OpenAI to sponsor Openclaw if they absolutely want to.<p>But the question is if its entirely reasonable as to a project like Curl getting less funding overall, simply because everyone is using curl underneath but the tech is boring (as I think it should be), but this makes everyone think that curl is well-funded when it isn't.<p>I think that its a reasonable decision for a company to give a very small chunk if it has massive profits to curl to sponsor the project to be more sustainable, but I am not the one at the decision-making involved in that said company, so I don't know what is the rationale behind blocking or not sponsoring Curl.<p>Is the rationale that they can get away with not sponsoring curl in the first place and use it with its permissive licenses in its code so why invest/donate the money in first place, but this practise doesn't seem sustainable to me!?
>But the question is if its entirely reasonable as to a project like Curl getting less funding overall, simply because everyone is using curl underneath but the tech is boring (as I think it should be), but this makes everyone think that curl is well-funded when it isn't.<p>I think the returns fall off really really quickly when you increase investment in a boring, mature project like this.<p>It might be nice if people sponsored curl more, but the software isn't going to significantly improve because of it.
>> The bad guys won’t rest
> Probably not. But we will.<p>This is Exceptional. Perfect EuroMaxxing
I read one sentence into this and knew directly that the developer must’ve been Swedish!
For people who aren’t familiar, Sweden takes summer holidays seriously. 25-30 days + public holidays is a normal amount of annual vacation time, and if an employee requests it and has the time available, it’s basically legally required to allow them to take a four-week contiguous summer break.<p>(See <a href="https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/semesterlag-1977480_sfs-1977-480/#P12" rel="nofollow">https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/sven...</a>)
Not only that but the vacation is <i>real</i>. If someone is off then you should not expect them to answer at all (because if you do you’ll get very disappointed).
This might not be true for Sweden, but Denmark have an interesting rule that makes contacting people in their vacation fairly expensive. If I'm asked to change my plans, my employer needs to compensate me financially. If you get a call and need to work for 30 minutes, then you are entitled to a full replacement day, not just the 30 minutes. For some jobs, interrupting people on vacation simply isn't allowed.
This is normal in most countries apart from the contiguous break requirement.
Ditto Australia: <a href="https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/annual-leave" rel="nofollow">https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/annual-leave</a><p><pre><code> Full-time and part-time employees get 4 weeks of annual leave, based on their ordinary hours of work.</code></pre>
Yeah, but there's little culture of actually taking that time.
Sweden is fairly unique in allowing the employee to take a 4 week break. Is Australia the same?<p>2 weeks is the acceptable limit in the UK for example (where also has 20-35 holiday is common) though if you can convince your boss otherwise, you can take longer, but most people can't
Some employers "force" their employees to use a portion of their annual leave during the Christmas / New Year shutdown period (usually 24 December -> first full week after New Years Day, if not longer). So you might not be able to use the full 4 weeks continuously.<p>This can be an unwelcome feature for some people, for example, if you want to have a vacation in the northern hemisphere summer season instead and/or maybe you don't have substantial family in Australia (or at least, those you actually want to see).<p>The auscorp reddit has a yearly thread on this issue:
<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/auscorp/comments/1mw6pqt/end_of_year_shutdowns_discussion_thread/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/auscorp/comments/1mw6pqt/end_of_yea...</a><p>Those with school aged children might also want to save some of their annual for the mid-term/mid-year breaks as well. (Our academic years are aligned to calendar years)
In Germany your employer has to grant you two consecutive weeks of vacation by law, and vacation is very rarely denied, even for 3–4 weeks breaks.
Likely varies by industry - a peer Australian (probably in private IT ?) stated it's uncommon to take a break, whereas I'd say in mining, oil, gas, civil service, police and a good number of structured contract employment its more common.<p>I've "retired" into agriculture and a lot of farmers take a month off after harvest time to go fishing or other wise relax (this generally means filling up a couple of deep chest freezers with fish for the rest of the year).
I thought it's basically the same in all of EU?
I work for a UK company and most people take basically all of August off (I end up with two months of vacation days a year so I take August off and sprinkle some leave around the year) and I can confirm that taking a month off is great. You forget what it's like to work, really.
That’s great! It’s very much not the norm here in general tho, in my experience two weeks would be the max people would take off contiguously.
Wow literally never heard of people taking 4 weeks off in the UK. Is this a new thing to deal with child care in the summer holidays?<p>Is this at the executive level?
Hahaha yeah same here! My $dayjob has offices in Sweden and their summer breaks are legendary. We also have offices in the US, and the culture shock with the Americans never gets old
Yup, same thought in Norwegian. Norway basically shuts down during July.
I knew instantly that it's him. No one is even remotely as hungry for attention as him.
Here's your reminder that 20-30 days paid vacation plus unlimited sick days (3+ days needs a doctor's note) is normal in Europe (e.g. Germany).<p>If you get sick during vacation, you get those vacation days "refunded" back. If you suddenly are called in to work, somehow, during vacation, that time cannot be vacation time.<p>You can't (generally) be fired without a notice period, resulting in job security to such a degree that ~6k in an emergency fund is plenty to be VERY secure, as you also get unemployment support otherwise anyway. Does this result in incompetent people not getting fired? No. You still fire them, you just have to deal with them another month after that. It's not a big price to pay.<p>How is this all possible? Who subsidizes it? We all simply pay some % of our income to support this system. That's it. A couple percent, a couple bucks, and we get to basically never worry about starving or becoming homeless.<p>You can have this, too, if you vote and protest and use democracy to make life better, not worse, for everyone.
> Contracts excluded<p>They aren't. If you ignore vulnerability report from an entity without a support contract, the vulnerability doesn't disappear just because the entities with support contracts are not aware of it
This is great. Good decision.
Today is Jun 15. So, I wonder if somebody + AI can rewrite curl in Rust in 1.5 months. I think it's possible if that person knows all curl features. However, does that person even exist?
If that were possible it would already have been done.
<a href="https://curl.se/docs/security.html" rel="nofollow">https://curl.se/docs/security.html</a> - C bugs are marked.
There are projects like this: urlx, curlio.
> Everyone with a paid support contracts will of course still get full and appropriate service even during this period.
Funny, I have the same <a href="https://www.lafuma-mobilier.fr/" rel="nofollow">https://www.lafuma-mobilier.fr/</a> sunbed from the last pic. Also same color. :D
what a fantastic advertisement
Good for them & haxx!
Properly euromaxxing, this is the way.
Wish them nothing but good rest!
Great to see this stance
Based! Amazing approach, enjoy the vacation!
An evil way to extort money via support contracts.
down-under says: enjoy your summer :)
I heartily endorse the Fuck You Pay Me support process.
So it is holiday season.<p>I thought this was due to AI slop spam before I read the blog entry.
Atlas shrugged, but only for a month. I kid, it's well deserved. I do worry about their contract work loophole - if people disclose vulnerabilities publicly, their clients may pressure them to ship a fix anyway.
Why was this dead?
I've been noticing an unusual number of spuriously dead comments from accounts in good standing for a while now. My suspicion is false positives due to holding back the AI wave yet some of the casualties really don't seem to make any sense.
To be honest I don't think my account is in 100% good standing, but I can't say for certain. There's definitely some dead comments on my account that are deserved and I think there are some small limitations that are or have been placed on it (probably fairly). Mostly around flagging and vouching.
I think that if you get a certain number of comments flagged or downvoted within a certain time window, your account gets flagged as a spammer and has a permanent rate limit applied. Above another threshold, it gets shadowbanned. I think the length of the account's history is also relevant. But <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia</a>
Yeah, I have seen several people who are completely shadowbanned (all comments dead) without any visible reason. There seems to be no way to report this.
Hmm. Interesting. If it was [dead], probably a false positive from a naughty comment filter; if it was [flagged][dead], difficult to say, potentially even an accident, or maybe people didn't like the joke. Given the non-negative karma, I would guess the first. Regardless, I appreciate the vouch.
SGTM, if I am worried about a curl exploit, I will type details into Zoo Code prompt and it will disappear in about 30 seconds and then I can upload a PR for others concerned. Enjoy your vacation and I will enjoy security for a lot cheaper than an enterprise contract!
> I have been working full-time on curl since 2019. For me, this typically means doing 50 hour work weeks, as I spend all days on it and then I top them off with a few more hours every late night – all days of the week<p>I wonder what is there to work on curl 50 hour weeks for 7 years?
<a href="https://curl.se/libcurl/" rel="nofollow">https://curl.se/libcurl/</a><p>Let me Google that for you.<p><i>supporting DICT, FILE, FTP, FTPS, GOPHER, GOPHERS, HTTP, HTTPS, IMAP, IMAPS, LDAP, LDAPS, MQTT, MQTTS, POP3, POP3S, RTSP, SCP, SFTP, SMB, SMBS, SMTP, SMTPS, TELNET, TFTP, WS and WSS. libcurl supports SSL certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, HTTP form based upload, proxies, HTTP/2, HTTP/3, cookies, user+password authentication (Basic, Digest, NTLM, Negotiate, Kerberos), file transfer resume, http proxy tunneling and more!<p>libcurl is highly portable, it builds and works identically on numerous platforms, including Solaris, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Darwin, HPUX, IRIX, AIX, Tru64, Linux, UnixWare, HURD, Windows, Amiga, OS/2, BeOs, macOS, Ultrix, QNX, OpenVMS, RISC OS, Novell NetWare, DOS and more...</i>
TIL it supports mqtt. Happy 10000 day to me :)
Linux started removing support for obsolete protocols and hardware<p>Maybe there is place for a minicurl which removes BeOS and Novell NetWare...
I'm 90% sure that even the monkey's paw curls.
I think the argument was that curl is fairly feature complete (as shown by your list), is there really that many bugs in curl that require immediate attention?
It's massive and complex codebase. From the looks of it, pretty much what you'd expect, lots of chores, work on the test suite, keeping docs up to date, bug fixes. I didn't see any new features on my light skim but I'm sure they land occasionally.<p><a href="https://github.com/curl/curl/commits?author=bagder" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/curl/curl/commits?author=bagder</a>
This is the HTTP/1.1 standard: <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2616" rel="nofollow">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2616</a><p>Then there are also HTTP/2 and HTTP/3.<p>That's just HTTP, curl supports 27 other protocols.
The entire http, http2, http3, tls, sftp spec for every operating system.
When we are talking about one of the most used pieces of software in the world, there is always things to do.
A curious approach, but I like it!<p>Wonder if this means just publishing vulnerablities without contact with curl team would be responsible (you have no other path to tell vulnerable users)
I think very few people would consider that to be responsible disclosure. The common practice is to allow 90 days as a minimum.
It would certainly be irresponsible.<p>The responsible thing would have been to simply wait another month, considering you've been warned about the delay.
Given that most of those users will not be capable of patching it directly, no, that seems like it would be irresponsible.
Why not? Only a tiny fraction of curl user get it from the upstream website/repo. Most users get curl/libcurl from their OS/application vendor or package manager, all of them having their own maintainers. There is no reason a temporary patch couldn't be produced by them in the meantime.
Just publish early due to a documented lack of cooperation. They don’t have to answer, but you dont have to wait.<p>Naturally some people find that this offensive since this puts a price to that “bliss”.
Taking 1/3 of the standard time budget to get back to you isn't ideal, but it's not "a documented lack of cooperation".<p>And if you find something halfway through the month then oh no two weeks to reply, that's basically a standard business interaction at that point.
Why are you interpreting clear communication of a window of downtime with 2 weeks notice as a "lack of cooperation"? That's what cooperation looks like. It's not explicit but my read was that they're not even taking a vacation - they're just doing the rest of their job, a lot of which is probably going to be shipping fixes for vulnerabilities that are already triaged.
There are no "rules" for responsible disclosure. We have guidelines that we have broadly accepted, but at the end of the day whether or not you discussed responsibly is in the opinion of your peers.<p>There's no such thing as "responsible disclosure on a technicality". Don't be a dick, and work in good faith to keep users safe.
Wrong, but thanks for documenting how uncooperative you are.