Watts is truly remarkable. I also recommend the Sunflowers series, just a brilliant conceit w.r.t humans in deep time plus a sound understanding of dealing with ASI.<p>Wikipedia has it down as:<p>The chronological order within the Sunflower universe is: "Hotshot", The Freeze-Frame Revolution, "Giants", "Hitchhiker", "Strategic Retreat", "Remora", "Outtake", "The Island".<p>Just realizing I didnt see that list before I there are a few I haven't read.. brb
No one has ever made me feel horror and despair like Peter Watts. His books stare directly into the abyss. I think it's what makes the hope you feel at the end seem earned.<p>If you haven't read his work but you spend time thinking about HCI, you should.
He's very proud of having been rejected by a Russian publisher for being "too dark".
I see people differently after reading Blindsight; The picture is <i>much darker</i>, concretely more accurate, with what light is there geared to all hell and so much brighter. I'm better for it and at a greater peace.
I quite enjoyed Blindsight, but that was not my takeaway at all :P How do you see people differently after reading it?
Hard to pin into words!<p>We're unconscious of how unconscious we are?, and it's good to… what's the term, suffer gladly and give gladly? To own one's unconsciousness and raise it, and expect and see others' unconscious going about major things in life - to see it coldly as well as warmly.<p>I find this is more accurate and <i>safer</i> than assuming consciousness in everyone, and it also reveals so clearly people who <i>do</i> cast that light; and see.<p>It's <i>less</i> desolate! I promise! Sounds like it's worse but it's not. That's the tricky-get-into-words part, you know?
Eh, I love blindsight, but I really think it oversold the case against consciousness and for belligerent intelligent life.
I have no conscious awareness of what I wrote, I just tried to be Peter Wattsy, haha<p>(kidding!<p>It's oversold, or beautiful artistic expression of something. Bleak, yes; Stark; Also beautiful.<p>The thing it expresses is… a thing. We're <i>not at all</i> as conscious as… we think?, as we portray ourselves?, to others and/or ourselves? And it's magical to view people as… partially unconscious to a significant degree <i>while also loving them</i> and with respect.)
It wasn't a competition though just mutual incompatibility: aliens so alien that we can barely comprehend their motives and are implicitly regarded as hostile by our manner of existence.<p>I'd say the case it was making has only become more relevant with the chatbot age.
> I'd say the case it was making has only become more relevant with the chatbot age.<p>Exactly. The central thesis, consciousness not being necessary for intelligence, is very relevant today.<p>Of course, the existential horror background in the book was also quite well done.
Have you tried contacting Google for customer service? I’ve found that to be a sure-fire cure for whenever I catch a case of optimism.
If you like his work, you can donate to “The Niblet Memorial Kibble Fund”. I did after reading Blindsight, and received a friendly thank you email from him afterwards because so few people do.
Have not read this series (yet), but Watt's Blindsight is an absolute masterclass in literary sci-fi
Peter Watts Amazon "About the Author".<p>> <a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/stores/author/B001H6Q2TE/about" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com.au/stores/author/B001H6Q2TE/about</a><p>> This is awkward and a little creepy. They tell me I have to do it for promotional purposes, but I've already got a blog. I've already got a website. Being told that setting up an author page on fcuking <i>Amazon</i> is essential to success? A company that treats us all like such goddamn children it doesn't even allow us to correctly spell an epithet with a venerable history going back 900 years or more? That just sucks the one-eyed purple trouser eel.<p>><p>> Also the bio information above is fucked. For example, my work has only appeared in 36 BoY collections, not 350; the noms and awards info is out of date too, but apparently it was all written by some publishing house and I can't change it from this interface.<p>><p>> Still, here I am. But if you're really all that interested, go check out my actual blog/website. Google is not your friend (any more than Amazon is), but at least it'll point you in the right direction.<p>><p>> I'm the one on the left, by the way.<p>Hell yeah brother.<p>Wonder when it was written and what it would say if written today.
These are the books I read when I feel like I'm too optimistic about world affairs. The dark themes that seem so close to being possible help boost my cynicism and level me out.
I should read his long form stuff, I don't do anywhere near enough long form reading these days. I read "Malak" in Engineering Infinity years ago and it's very good indeed.
Peter Watts is PhD marine biologist. Deepwater biology in the Rifters trilogy (Starfish, Maelstrom, βehemoth) is interesting.
I've read blindsight and echopraxia, but not starfish, so thanks for the reminder.<p>If starfish is even despairing than blindsight and echopraxia, then this should be "fun"!
I need to give this a re-read. I really enjoyed my <i>Blindsight</i> re-read recently. But Starfish and Maelstrom after it are such uhh, not to pun to hard but, such high pressure intense sci-fi stories. Amazing ambiance, creeping horror, in such incredible backdrops.<p>Watts just kept going with his universe. It was and is so good. Such an incredible reflection of the world at the time of writing, and I've found it's lost so little of it's capturance. That it gets so many of the plights of the over-civilized world, and the perils lurking in the economic and governmental an attention systems of the planet. From the old site (<a href="https://www.rifters.com/attic.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.rifters.com/attic.htm</a>) to the new site (<a href="https://www.rifters.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.rifters.com/</a>), Watts just really, across mediums, wanted to get his world out, to show it's timelines. Incredible.<p>Starfish is where it all started, and I remember it as both a slow burn, but also so hard core, so real. In a world both so our own but so far away, so separated (insert follow up deep joke here), but still within the world, still immersed (pun!) in the Earth of the story. Maelstrom, the second book, is also incredible, in very different ways. Watts reflected on Maelstrom 18 months ago, and it captures some of the amazing titular sceneage, of an overrun net, a howling wasteland from accelerated technological adversarialism. Incredible book. He goes to talk more to his own background, biology, but upon re-reading it, I think of LLMs, of the GPU milleniums burned recently, doing not that far askance competitive training, forcing our own gradient descents in ever increasing numbers upon the world. Thanks Peter; your visions are cherished.
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Recently finished the Starfish quadrilogy and adored it as well. One thing I particularly like is how this theme of evolutionary pressure applies to everyone alike; characters, software, ideologies, neural nets.<p>Also Watts manages to conjure this feeling of future shock I've only previously felt with Charles Stross' work.
Honestly, I thought the Behemoth pair dragged a bit - I suspect it might have worked better as a more tightly-edited single volume.<p>(Sue Burke's Semiosis trilogy is worth a read, too, in a similar evolutionary SF vein.)
The whole Rifters trilogy (quadrilogy?) is amazing, Starfish is actually my least favourite of the Rifters' books but still really good.<p>The villain Achilles Desjardins (I don't think he shows up in Starfish? been some time since I read it) is possibly one of the most villainous and sociopath characters I've ever read in a book.
His Sunflowers series is great too. Maybe my favorite (after Blindsight, of course).<p>Read for free on his webite: <a href="https://www.rifters.com/real/shorts/PeterWatts_TheIsland.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.rifters.com/real/shorts/PeterWatts_TheIsland.pdf</a><p>Or collected in The Freeze-Frame Revolution here: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Freeze-Frame-Revolution-Peter-Watts-ebook/dp/B083G6NPWW/" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Freeze-Frame-Revolution-Peter-Watts-e...</a>
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