10 comments

  • an_account39 minutes ago
    I think he completely misunderstood 15 minute cities as a concept.<p>15 min cities mean cities that are mixed use enough that you can get all your needs within 15 mins without a car. Cities like this can be large and typically are extremely well connected, not isolated into enclaves like this person suggests.
    • mrhottakes38 minutes ago
      He&#x27;s making a conservative ideological argument; that&#x27;s exactly how conservatives describe mixed use, walkable city planning.
  • jeroenhd41 minutes ago
    This article is the most engineered rage bait I&#x27;ve seen so far. We&#x27;ve got 15 minute cities, COVID, work from home, &quot;who pays for it&quot; for public services, congestion pricing, somehow even NATO and the WHO got mentioned.<p>Add some outrage over bike paths (for or against) and this post will circulate reddit for weeks!
    • mrhottakes35 minutes ago
      It&#x27;s just conservative ideology
  • blensor42 minutes ago
    Is the premise of 15-minute cities really that every final destination is walkable within 15 minutes or that you can reach everything you need within 15 minutes?<p>If I live in a big city with good public transport and have most daily need things walkable within 15 minutes and good public transport connections also within 15 minutes then I can benefit from opportunities that are farther away while also having the locality of the rest of the day to day things.<p>That&#x27;s what I personally would consider a 15-minute city
    • phoronixrly40 minutes ago
      Yeah, I don&#x27;t understand why this person makes it sound like a 15-minute city is some sort of a jail, or an island you can&#x27;t get in a car and drive out of should a need arise...
      • mrhottakes37 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s how conservatives criticize the concept. It&#x27;s a conservative economist making a conservative ideological argument.
  • cma25626 minutes ago
    &gt; The rise of autonomous vehicles and technologies like hyperloop may make a major difference to the way we travel around cities.<p>Harvard University Professor of Economics everyone. When discussing new modes of transport the _hyperloop_ is the exemplar. A technology that does not work, can not work, and will never work.<p>And, of course, no mention of e-bikes which are cheap, proven, and have seen large adoption in my neighborhood at the least. But of course that might have undermined his point.
    • mrhottakes24 minutes ago
      Much like walking or living in a mixed use neighborhood, bikes don&#x27;t make any money for Elon and friends, so they are useless and in fact bad.
  • fedeb9536 minutes ago
    moving around could be accomplished by traveling, in decreasing order by efficiency (by those who can, obviously):<p>1) cycling 2) walking 3) train 4) cars 5) airplanes<p>and the frequency could follow an exponential distribution.
  • ninalanyon41 minutes ago
    Every instance of the word city in that article, and the title, should have been qualified with &#x27;US&#x27;.
  • PaulHoule37 minutes ago
    Shanghai, Beijing, and other big Chinese cities are like that. People in places like that also think overnight delivery from AMZN is terribly slow.
  • HardwareLust45 minutes ago
    Yeah I&#x27;m sorry but I can&#x27;t take someone seriously that believes that Hyperloop will be a viable form of transportation. It&#x27;s nothing but an idiotic fantasy and that&#x27;s all it will ever be
  • phoronixrly48 minutes ago
    I could not make the basic premise of this article... Is it that 15-minute cities would limit social mobility?? Is it that congestion pricing would limit social mobility? Am I just trying to make sense of an llm-generated word soup?
    • TheOtherHobbes41 minutes ago
      From 2021, so not an LLM.<p>The premise seems to be that making everything local means diversity will be inaccessible.<p>In reality economic diversity is heavily gatekept anyway - sometimes literally.<p>Forcing people to commute wastes time with no obvious upside.
      • allemagne26 minutes ago
        Wow, I was 100% convinced this was written by AI.<p>I maintain that this article is eerily similar to something produced by an LLM, but maybe I need to reexamine my priors.<p>- The &quot;contrastive negation&quot; with em-dashes in: &quot;But the basic concept of a 15-minute city is not really a city at all. It’s an enclave — a ghetto – a subdivision.&quot;<p>- The extended discussion of business regulations seemed out of place: &quot;I also believe that cities should be freed from the business regulations that make it difficult...&quot; This really read to me like someone directed an LLM to make sure to include these arguments rather than this naturally arising during the human writing process.<p>- The writing itself (as noted elsewhere in this thread) is vague and hard to follow.
        • mrhottakes23 minutes ago
          Mainstream western economists are essentially LLMs that have been trained incorrectly as a joke
          • allemagne12 minutes ago
            I don&#x27;t know that I&#x27;d throw a whole field under the bus like that (I&#x27;m reminded of similar accusations against students of sociology and gender studies) but I acknowledge this author isn&#x27;t doing his profession any favors.
        • breezybottom16 minutes ago
          Well now you know what it was trained on.
      • blensor30 minutes ago
        The funny thing is that the page has a broken Google Tag Manager script<p><pre><code> &lt;meta name=&quot;viewport&quot; content=&quot;width=device-width, initial-scale=1, shrink-to-fit=no&quot;&gt; j=d.createElement(s),dl=l!=&#x27;dataLayer&#x27;?&#x27;&amp;l=&#x27;+l:&#x27;&#x27;;j.async=true;j.src=&#x27;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.googletagmanager.com&#x2F;gtm.js?id=&#x27;+i+dl;f.parentNode.insertBefore(j,f);})(window,document,&#x27;script&#x27;,&#x27;dataLayer&#x27;,&#x27;GTM-NZXZ6MK&#x27;);&lt;&#x2F;script&gt;&lt;!-- End Google Tag Manager --&gt; </code></pre> Causing the top of the page show the script and nobody from that site noticing it.
      • whynotmaybe24 minutes ago
        The whole US societal model of judgment of anyone&#x27;s wealth can&#x27;t be maintained because anyone walking is supposedly poor.<p>So if you create cities where someone has to &quot;walk&quot;, in their minds you&#x27;re forcing them to be seen as poor.<p>That&#x27;s what also included in the concept of valet parking, you&#x27;re rich because you can go directly from your car to the hotel&#x2F;restaurant entrance without walking among the poors.
  • bensyverson34 minutes ago
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