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  • bluGill7 minutes ago
    If you play piano you should find a tuner who does something better than equal temperament. When you accept that changing keys will change the tone of the song you can get a lot better music. You don&#x27;t need to go to just temperament (and since you still need octave stretch it wouldn&#x27;t be ideal anyway - though if you can live with playing music in exactly one key it is nice).<p>I tuned my piano to EBVTIII and I like it. (well I tuned 3 notes and then got my son interested and he tuned the rest). It isn&#x27;t as hard to tune a piano as professionals make it out. However it takes me about 5x as long so if you can find a good tuner I&#x27;d call it worth it.
  • bryanlarsen35 minutes ago
    I&#x27;ve been trying to square the physics and my experience.<p>Pedal B flat is the fundamental, low B flat is the 2x, F 3x, mid B flat the 4x, D the 5X, high F is 6X, G half sharp is 7X and high B flat is 8X.<p>The position your music teacher most likely will have told you to adjust is 2nd position - you play it slightly sharper for an A vs the E or C sharp it&#x27;s also used for.<p>Why is that? It&#x27;s the major 3rd that has the largest variation between just and equal temperament. The A is often a 3rd against the F, is that why?<p>But it seems to me that it&#x27;s all the notes on the D embouchure that will be off -- 1st position D on the trombone is 5X the fundamental, so it&#x27;s justly tuned, not equally tuned, so shouldn&#x27;t it be the one that needs the most adjustment? I guess all wind instruments have this problem, so maybe I don&#x27;t notice because usually I&#x27;m playing in a wind band with very few equally tempered instruments like piano, guitar and glockenspiel?
  • liotier45 minutes ago
    &gt; But, how can a trombone ever be better than the piano when there’s so many variables? Well, unlike a piano, where each key produces a fixed pitch, a trombone lets me subtly adjust every note as I play.<p>Thanks, but I&#x27;ll stick to my keyboard&#x27;s pitch bend control.<p>The trombone&#x27;s great expressiveness comes at a steep learning cost.
    • bryanlarsen26 minutes ago
      Piano is great for people who learned to play by sight.<p>Trombone is great for people who learned to play by ear.<p>For those who can easily hear the 13 cent difference between a justly tuned major third and an equally tuned major third, justly tuned instruments can be really hard to play.<p>But I am, like most, like you. I first learned on the piano and my ear is pretty bad for an experienced trombonist. I have a pretty good ear compared to the average person, but compared to a typical trombonist, it&#x27;s really bad.<p>I play with others who have incredible ears. It makes me jealous.
      • bryanlarsen12 minutes ago
        P.S. Here&#x27;s Jacob Collier demonstrating <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XwRSS7jeo5s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XwRSS7jeo5s</a>
    • noman-land31 minutes ago
      The learning curve is really not that steep. You pretty quickly learn the landmarks for the 7 positions of the slide.
      • bryanlarsen23 minutes ago
        And micro adjusting positions isn&#x27;t that hard either. If it doesn&#x27;t sound right, you adjust. The hard part is figuring out whether to adjust up or down. And that&#x27;s just experience. My ear still isn&#x27;t good enough to know whether I&#x27;m a little sharp or a little flat. But any note I get wrong at tonight&#x27;s practice will likely be a note I&#x27;ve hit wrong many times in previous practices.
    • cm201230 minutes ago
      Eh I played trombone in high school and it is very forgiving. You can vibe play a trombone.
  • vintermann21 minutes ago
    One trombone feature not mentioned here is that the length of the pipe apparently affects the timing enough that they have to compensate for it.
  • _spduchamp51 minutes ago
    One of my favourite albums is Stuart Dempster&#x27;s Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel.<p>A group of trombonists all playing in a giant underground water tank with incredibly long reverb.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4tvMp4XDICU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4tvMp4XDICU</a>
  • Esn0241 hour ago
    This seems a decent introduction. The only thing mentioned that I wasn&#x27;t really aware of is the effect of the tongue in addition to the lips on the embouchure of higher notes. Can anyone recommend some more info on that?
    • jeffbee54 minutes ago
      The role of the tongue is heavily emphasized in modern brass pedagogy. Try Claude Gordon, Physical Approach to Elementary Brass Playing, 1977
  • dark-star1 hour ago
    Everything I know about trombones I know from the game Trombone Champ.<p>It&#x27;s a good game for every aspiring trobonist (or people just remotely interested in music-related video games)
  • jeffbee1 hour ago
    &quot;The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra&quot; is a statement that requires further support.
    • bradrn1 hour ago
      It’s slightly confusingly phrased, but the full sentence is:<p>&gt; The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra […] where the main mode of pitch control is by moving the tuning slide.<p>Which is correct.
      • madcaptenor39 minutes ago
        I had the same confusion - I&#x27;d move the [...] to the following sentence.
      • jeffbee1 hour ago
        Oh, I read that as an independent statement, rather than one qualifying the first.
        • jordanwallwork42 minutes ago
          You read &quot;where the main mode of pitch control is by moving the tuning slide&quot; as an independent statement? What does that mean on its own?