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  • vanuatu54 minutes ago
    It&#x27;s hard for me to reconcile this piece with my personal experience as someone who works in AI and knows many others that do<p>The demand for AI is currently overwhelming. As in, can&#x27;t build data centers and GPUs melting overwhelming, companies growing 3x in a month while already at multi-billion revenues.<p>The models get better and better, Chinese open source is falling further and further behind American companies. The productivity gains are, at this point, obvious. The best talent works (or wants to work) in America and get compensated obscene amounts, the most capital flows through America, this is still by far the best place to start a technology business in the world<p>I think American technology was on the decline for the past few years before LLMs, but for the foreseeable future as long as American companies control the talent flywheel I think the new world of tech is going to be much more American than before.
    • lorecore19 minutes ago
      There are no switching costs for users to move to a new model.<p>&gt; <i>Chinese open source is falling further and further behind American companies</i><p>This is simply not true?
      • CharlieDigital2 minutes ago
        Do not have any empirical evidence, but reality is that China&#x27;s semiconductor capabilities are not at par with Taiwan yet and the US is able to influence Nvidia&#x27;s sales to China as well as access to other vendors (TSMC) and technologies, giving the West an unfair advantage.<p>Just like Chinese EVs and Chinese renewables eventually beat the West, I have no doubt that China can probably eventually pull ahead, but I think it is probably accurate to say that China is currently still behind (how far is hard to say) because they have a slight technology handicap imposed by the US.
    • spinel51 minutes ago
      What&#x27;s often understated is how much of an advantage the US has because it speaks the language of global commerce and technology, which for the entire 20th century and the first quarter of the 21st has been English. That&#x27;s huge. It means teenagers reading man pages are reading fluently.<p>At some point, though, the balance could tip. It&#x27;s impossible to say, and it&#x27;d be irresponsible to try to predict it, but there isn&#x27;t any reason English is natively superior, any more than French was 150 years ago, or Latin 600 years ago. But it&#x27;s a major advantage the US has that isn&#x27;t acknowledged often enough.
      • vanuatu44 minutes ago
        I think English is definitely a reason that I took for granted. To add to that from my experience:<p>- The culture is, I think, the root of the flywheel. The entrepreneurship and competitive intensity is unlike anywhere else I&#x27;ve lived (not an American). It&#x27;s okay to go bankrupt. It&#x27;s okay to fail multiple times and burn millions in VC money, in fact it&#x27;s encouraged! Take a break and raise another round and go again, VCs like second time founders. In my home country having one business go under is the worst thing imaginable.<p>- The capital markets, even YC (one of the lower tier accelerators by now) gives you 500k for 7%, sometimes pre-revenue. That is an absurd proposition elsewhere<p>- Surrounding yourself with top talent raises the ceiling for what you think is possible and accelerates your career really fast. It&#x27;s inspiring for me to be around so many smart and successful people.
        • ambicapter22 minutes ago
          What&#x27;s your definition of &quot;successful people&quot;?
          • vanuatu17 minutes ago
            Self actualized, high optionality
      • robrain25 minutes ago
        I’m on a motorhome holiday in Norway right now. The younger people I’ve spoken to, from the Netherlands, through Germany and Denmark and into Norway have as good English as me. As with most American-exceptionalism, you ain’t that special. On previous holidays in France, often held up as “never-willingly-speak-English”, we’ve had similar experiences.<p>Older people here in Northern Europe often seem to speak English quite well, in France less so.
        • noir_lord10 minutes ago
          I&#x27;m English, my Danish friends have less of an English accent and are considerably more literate than the average of the people I interact with at work over most days.<p>It isn&#x27;t a moat, My partners written English surpasses mine and it is her <i>third</i> language.
    • an0malous19 minutes ago
      The majority of AI revenue is probably VC money sloshing around in a closed system, e.g. a VC funds some AI company and they pay OpenAI&#x2F;Claude. These startups also pay for other AI startup products and make it mandatory for their employees to use them. I would venture a guess that 50-80% of the AI revenue would dry up if VCs stopped funding AI startups.
    • _verandaguy11 minutes ago
      I&#x27;ll push back against most of the points in your comment.<p><pre><code> &gt; The demand for AI is currently overwhelming. As in, can&#x27;t build data centers and GPUs melting overwhelming, companies growing 3x in a month while already at multi-billion revenues. </code></pre> This isn&#x27;t a sign of a successful, sustainable business; it&#x27;s what a bubble looks like. Between the <i>aggressive</i> marketing (including astroturfing!) that LLM companies are engaged in, the perceived stock market advantage companies can gain by shoving LLMs into their offering, and the missile-gap-style approach that many businesses are taking around this, this centre cannot possibly hold.<p><pre><code> &gt; The models get better and better, Chinese open source is falling further and further behind American companies </code></pre> American companies are, to be fair, flaunting safety and ignoring the wider social impacts of this technology, and both the US federal and state governments seem to be more than willing to go with the flow on that, probably at least partly because of a recognition that the LLM industry is propping up a significant part of the US economy.<p><pre><code> &gt; The productivity gains are, at this point, obvious </code></pre> They are, emphatically, not. For me and my peers (most of us, individual contributors in software -- and emphatically, those of us working at companies who haven&#x27;t fully leaned into vibe coding), our jobs have become babysitting claude agents and spending most of our time cleaning up its messes and doing code review. Short-term, sure, this might lead to <i>some</i> productivity gains, but long-term, this is going to lead to <i>mass</i> burnout.<p><pre><code> &gt; The best talent works (or wants to work) in America and get compensated obscene amounts, the most capital flows through America, this is still by far the best place to start a technology business in the world </code></pre> Unfortunately, the US is in the midst of cracking down on immigration, and the international perception of the country is increasingly that it is an unsafe one.<p><pre><code> &gt; I think American technology was on the decline for the past few years before LLMs, but for the foreseeable future as long as American companies control the talent flywheel I think the new world of tech is going to be much more American than before. </code></pre> What I see in the US&#x27;s LLM-backed economy is what I see in many businesses in this same economy, increasingly: the blanket of AI is being used to paper over serious, systemic issues in the organization, but <i>this clearly won&#x27;t hold.</i> In a world where we have an ounce of responsibility for what we produce, and where customers care about the quality (notably, quality as in <i>correctness</i>) of what&#x27;s being delivered, this will eventually collapse.
      • vanuatu1 minute ago
        Thank you for your perspective!<p>I think it&#x27;s obvious that demand is overwhelming supply right now. I agree that we don&#x27;t know how much of the demand is due to perception, perverse incentives, or poor management, and how much of the demand is &#x27;real&#x27;. I personally believe that the demand is mostly real and will continue to go up, but I don&#x27;t have a crystal ball.<p>I also acknowledge that the productivity gains are highly dependent on your specific company&#x27;s implementation and the work that you&#x27;re doing. I think the role of a technical IC (which I am as well) is going to be managing fleets of agents, and many people who aren&#x27;t suited to that type of work will leave the industry (and many people who are will join).<p>I generally agree with you on the points about American politics, I don&#x27;t think the way they are cracking down on immigration is very wise.<p>As for correctness - it&#x27;s a nontrivial problem to deploy AI in prod that works and doesn&#x27;t blow up over millions of runs+. Hence why the initial value has accrued to the intelligence layer (labs) but the bulk of the remaining value will accrue to the applied layer in my opinion.
    • toasty22812 minutes ago
      &gt; The demand for AI is currently overwhelming.<p>Wait until they charge the real pice, if I sold a dollar for 10ct I&#x27;d also have a lot of demand.<p>I&#x27;m burning billions of tokens on chatgpt &quot;deepresearch Pro extended&quot; for things I wouldn&#x27;t even bother googling, the second I have to pay even 2x the price I won&#x27;t use that anymore
    • andor42 minutes ago
      He&#x27;s not denying that there is demand, he just has a different view on what&#x27;s happening:<p><i>When developers say that LLMs make them more productive, you need to keep in mind that this is what they’re automating: dysfunction, tampering as a design strategy, superstition-driven coding, and software whose quality genuinely doesn’t matter, all in an environment where rigour is completely absent.</i><p><i>They are right. LLMs make work that doesn’t matter easier – it’s all monopolies, subscriptions, VCs, and lock-in anyway – in an industry that doesn’t care, where the only thing that’s measured is some bullshit productivity measure that’s completely disconnected from outcomes.</i><p>...<p><i>One group thinks this will make the world ten times richer. The other thinks it’ll be a catastrophe.</i><p>(from an earlier post, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.baldurbjarnason.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;the-two-worlds-of-programming&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.baldurbjarnason.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;the-two-worlds-of-progr...</a>)
      • vanuatu31 minutes ago
        Reasonable conclusion, if you think the entire software industry is rotten then accelerating rot won&#x27;t do much<p>I personally disagree with that worldview. (I read the article and the guy&#x27;s tone is lowkey salty)<p>The reality is it&#x27;s insanely hard to convince people (&#x2F;especially&#x2F; consumers. &#x2F;&#x2F;especially&#x2F;&#x2F; technical consumers) to pay up to use software. Anyone who has tried to sell software as a startup knows, customers are laser focused on outcomes and value and anything that raises an eyebrow means you&#x27;re toast<p>Ofc there are perverse incentives and I think those are bad
        • agumonkey6 minutes ago
          I wonder if this is a sign of bad value. Long ago you&#x27;d be willing to pay. The relationship was clearer , simpler, stabler. No sudden change of price or rules, no constant false improvement. It was less flexible, and riskier on a way, but it cleaned the noise.<p>My 2cts
        • bluefirebrand19 minutes ago
          &gt; Anyone who has tried to sell software as a startup knows, customers are laser focused on outcomes and value<p>So the solution is to reduce the cost to zero, instead of competing to provide the best outcome and highest value?
          • vanuatu16 minutes ago
            If you&#x27;ve ever tried to start your own company in the US it&#x27;s a grueling, insane warzone of competition<p>That results in the winners providing insane value to both customers and equity holders
    • TimorousBestie22 minutes ago
      &gt; The models get better and better, Chinese open source is falling further and further behind American companies.<p>Prior restraint is going to put a damper on American state of the art for the foreseeable future.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thezvi.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-ai-ad-hoc-prior-restraint-era" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thezvi.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-ai-ad-hoc-prior-restraint-...</a><p>In the longer term, companies won’t be able to build AI infrastructure fast enough to keep up. The construction capacity isn’t there. The hardware production capacity isn’t there. Raw materials, energy, water—not enough of any of it. The supply chain is a fragile, grotesque joke.<p>&gt; as long as American companies control the talent flywheel<p>The companies are eating their seed corn. Senior devs are going to age out and there won’t be enough juniors coming up the ranks to replace them. The oncoming demographic crisis multiplies this problem.<p>Americans decided to sabotage their own public education system for generations. They were able to bridge the gap with foreign undergrad&#x2F;grad students for a while but that well has been poisoned, probably for good.
      • vanuatu9 minutes ago
        Thank you for sharing the article, it&#x27;s an interesting perspective and I&#x27;m inclined to agree with the point about prior restraint.<p>I&#x27;m sad that America is making it more difficult for foreign talent to come in. But with the flip-flops between D&#x2F;R in the white house it&#x27;s really hard to predict what immigration looks like even 5 years from now
    • yogthos28 minutes ago
      What are you talking about even. Chinese models are what pretty much every AI company in the US is using now because you can run them on prem and customize them, and because hosted versions cost a fraction of US ones. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9baDOfwUzHQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9baDOfwUzHQ</a><p>And that&#x27;s in the US, the rest of the world is all using Chinese models as well. Which means these models get far more collaboration from the global research community being developed in the open. They will set the standards in terms of how APIs work. And they will be what everyone uses going forward.<p>The closed approach simply can&#x27;t compete with that. The same way Linux destroyed Windows on servers, open AI models will destroy proprietary solutions as well.
      • mrwh21 minutes ago
        Indeed! China is leaning heavily into AI as state policy, as the solution to its looming demographic crisis. Any advantage the US has is going to be brief. It&#x27;ll be like comparing the high speed trains in China with the high speed trains in California...
      • vanuatu19 minutes ago
        ai generated video script<p>&quot;Chinese models are what pretty much every AI company in the US is using now&quot; - just untrue. you think people inside Cursor use composer for most of their work? haha<p>the talent at the labs far surpasses the global research community its just not comparable<p>I&#x27;m not saying I prefer it this way, I want open source to do well but it&#x27;s just not happening at the current pace
  • an0malous54 minutes ago
    I haven’t seen something on HN so well written and insightful in many, many years. Everyone here should read this.
    • spinel45 minutes ago
      There was someone who said ten or fifteen years ago that these trillion-dollar issues weren&#x27;t technology companies but technology control companies. It&#x27;s been in my mind ever since.
  • mrwh24 minutes ago
    Worth reading, well written.<p>We just finished watching a 90s Dennis Potter TV series, Lipstick on your Collar. Strange and mannered, and about in part the preparation for Suez at the end of empire, by an elderly leadership that hadn&#x27;t realised that the British empire was already done (and at a time when the young were only interested in America, the new power). More stupidity than malice there. What we&#x27;re getting today looks like both.
  • ksymph31 minutes ago
    &gt; Regulation that’s defined entirely in terms of the technology it regulates, as opposed to in terms of the effects it has on society or imposing boundaries and limits on the technology itself, is a core component of the technopolistic political and legislative environment.<p>Incredible article, a lot to unpack here, but I found this particular offhand tidbit interesting. It does seem like any attempt at tech industry regulation over the past decade or two (that isn&#x27;t somewhat in the interests of big tech anyway, i.e. age verification and so on) has been either overly vague, or overly specific, leading to easy workarounds.<p>It seems like a microcosm of a wider trend in regulation; the disconnect between intentions and results. On the rare occasions that consumer-friendly legislation does go through, there is no working mechanism for evaluating its effectiveness and refining the rules as quickly as big corporations can adapt to them. I like how the article frames this, of how the regulations are targeting the wrong thing, how they&#x27;re defined by the problem rather than the desired end state.<p>For more thoughts along these lines I&#x27;d highly recommend checking out Jennifer Pahlka&#x27;s blog Eating Policy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eatingpolicy.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eatingpolicy.com&#x2F;</a>
  • ambicapter23 minutes ago
    &gt; Sitting in on a talk on autism diagnoses, one of a series of scientific talks, watching an animation they used as a diagnostic aid, hearing everybody around me laugh as if the shapes on the screen made sense, only then truly understanding myself, and feeling more alone than I have ever felt before or since.<p>Anybody have any idea what diagnostic shapes he&#x27;s talking about?
    • ksymph21 minutes ago
      Social Shapes Test <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cmu.edu&#x2F;corecompetencies&#x2F;collaboration&#x2F;resources-and-tools&#x2F;social-shapes-test&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cmu.edu&#x2F;corecompetencies&#x2F;collaboration&#x2F;resources...</a><p>Web version here, if you want to see what it&#x27;s like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;psytests.org&#x2F;arc&#x2F;ssten.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;psytests.org&#x2F;arc&#x2F;ssten.html</a>
  • stymaar8 minutes ago
    The whole Gramsci quote goes further than the part being quoted here: “il vecchio muore e il nuovo non può nascere: <i>in questo interregno si verificano i fenomeni morbosi piú svariati</i>”.
  • gegtik1 hour ago
    thank you
  • spinel55 minutes ago
    I knew the old world was lying to us when I saw what happened to Michael O. Church. Freedom of expression, unless you challenge the people at the top of the ladder. Then they erase and try to murder you.<p>And now there&#x27;s evidence that Epstein was behind the prosecution of Swartz. He knew the man was onto something.<p>The authoritarianism is only more obvious. No one bothers to hide it. The social irresponsibility ramps up and up. Genocide in Burma? The cost of social connection. The cost of freedom.<p>At some point, it all breaks. No one knows what happens next. Models smooth reality, but reality, at some point, detests smoothness enough to become pointed.
  • tptacek23 minutes ago
    A reminder that this author also believes Typescript to be a capitalist conspiracy from Microsoft.
  • jmyeet22 minutes ago
    I like to quip that any sufficiently sized US company eventually becomes a bank, a landlord, a defense contractor or some combination thereof. Another way to put this, in the author&#x27;s framing, is a <i>tool of empire</i>. We&#x27;ve seen how quickly and easily these large companies have fallen in line with the administration. The era of the tech company as an antiestablishment upstart is long over.<p>I call the Hormuz crisis the biggest strategic blunder in US history and it&#x27;s not even close. It&#x27;s such a blunder it will probably be written about in history books as the end of the post-1945 era. It&#x27;s not lost on people that the US would rather let the world burn than split with its attack dog in the region, even slightly. We&#x27;re also seeing that, as the author notes, a tiny power can strategically defeat a military that over $1 trillion a year is spent on.<p>The author rightly points out of the lawlessness of everything going on and the destruction of trust in financial markets. All of this is correct. But I don&#x27;t think the auuthor really identifies the reasons for the push for AI. And that is, labor displacement and wage suppression. Or, to put it another way, further wealth concentration into the hands of the &quot;oligarchs&quot;. I guess it&#x27;s another version of &quot;whatever our oligarchs want to steal this month, they get.&quot;
  • ghostlyy56 minutes ago
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  • metalman1 hour ago
    the only thing suffering here, is language. things, no matter how vigorously anthomorphisized, can niether die, or be born.
    • wongarsu42 minutes ago
      This has to be trolling. You can&#x27;t claim in one sentence that language is suffering, then in the next claim that only living beings can die or be born. How is abstract concepts suffering fine, but abstract concepts dying isn&#x27;t?
    • kjs324 minutes ago
      Capital letters are apparently suffering a little.
      • stalfosknight13 minutes ago
        I really wonder how much time and effort people think they are saving by avoiding the Shift key.
        • kjs35 minutes ago
          It&#x27;s not about saving time. It&#x27;s a poseur thing.
    • krapp49 minutes ago
      Things can die and be born. The usage of those terms in relation to non-living entities and absent a description of biological progeny and senescence has been commonplace in English for centuries. For instance, the &quot;birth&quot; of a new era, or the &quot;death&quot; of disco.<p>You may find it easier to function in modern society without having such a strictly literal view of language. Idioms and metaphors do exist.