From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.
This is a common misconception. People tend to think driving is controlling the steering and pedals, so if FSD does those things it must be driving.<p>It's not. Driving is whatever has ultimate responsibility for the vehicle and its occupants. If a cop pulls you over while FSD is enabled, it's not Tesla who's paying the ticket. If FSD has an issue, <i>you're</i> the driver who has to respond.<p>Think of FSD as a very nice cruise control. You're still driving, even if you aren't touching the wheel.
By that logic it’s ok if the car slams itself against a concrete wall - just because it failed to stop in time doesn’t mean it wasn’t driving itself.<p>Self driving cars are supposed to obey the same rules as human drivers.
Tesla FSD won't be level 5 until Tesla has liability for any crashes it causes the way Waymo does.
Those YouTubers are all there to make Tesla look good. It’s a grift. The ones that are honest and show the bad side get kicked out of the Tesla club fast and dogpiled on.<p>Also a school zone is one of the most basic things the car should be able to handle. If it can’t do that, it’s not ready for public use.
See, that's really the best argument for this. It can drive itself the same way I can fly an Airbus A321. You can't sue me because I didn't land the plane "intact".
Elon Musks claims included (exact quotes, these posts are still on X):<p>Jan 10, 2016: In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY<p>Jul 16, 2019: If we make all cars with FSD package self-driving, as planned, any such Tesla should be worth $100k to $200k, as utility increases from ~12 hours/week to ~60 hours/week<p>These aren't moving goalposts by antis, this are the expectations set by Elon Musk himself when advertising his products.