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  • Papazsazsa1 hour ago
    The bigger question is constructive prohibition, i.e. can the government kill civil rights with a thousand cuts.<p>This opinion is mostly standing&#x2F;housekeeping.<p>Here&#x27;s a clean interpretation of the ruling <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;law.justia.com&#x2F;cases&#x2F;federal&#x2F;appellate-courts&#x2F;ca10&#x2F;24-1209&#x2F;24-1209-2026-04-23.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;law.justia.com&#x2F;cases&#x2F;federal&#x2F;appellate-courts&#x2F;ca10&#x2F;2...</a><p>And the actual ruling [pdf]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ca10.uscourts.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;ca10&#x2F;files&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;010111422830.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ca10.uscourts.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;ca10&#x2F;files&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;0101...</a>
  • exabrial4 minutes ago
    This is incredibly good news to anyone that believe in freedom of speech and expression.
  • advisedwang1 hour ago
    The actual opinion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ca10.uscourts.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;ca10&#x2F;files&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;010111422830.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ca10.uscourts.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;ca10&#x2F;files&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;0101...</a><p>Full case record: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.courtlistener.com&#x2F;docket&#x2F;68598045&#x2F;national-association-for-gun-rights-v-polis&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.courtlistener.com&#x2F;docket&#x2F;68598045&#x2F;national-assoc...</a>
  • akersten57 minutes ago
    Ok, so those bills in NY and WA about making it illegal to sell printers that don&#x27;t detect firearm parts are dead in the water, right?
    • bluGill49 minutes ago
      Those are different circuit courts where this ruling doesn&#x27;t directly apply. However anyone who wants to challenge those laws would be stupid to not bring this to the judge - even though it doesn&#x27;t apply, the judge still needs to justify why they are ignoring it and on appeal the circuit court will mention this ruling (either why they agree, or why they think it is wrong) - assuming the appeal is accepted.
    • jmward0119 minutes ago
      It will be fine to print a gun but there will be laws outlawing your ability to print an iphone case and printers will have to detect parts from any registered manufacturer. So we will get the worst of all worlds. printers only for guns and not for people to build useful things.
      • AnimalMuppet1 minute ago
        You just need a gun design that has a part that can double as an iphone case...
    • yieldcrv49 minutes ago
      my bet it is that it only affects the states in the 10th circuit, but could be assumed to be the law of the land, until a case is brought in which case there is only an issue if a different appeals circuit rules differently
      • rtkwe15 minutes ago
        Correct, it&#x27;s only &#x2F;binding&#x2F; on courts in the same District but they are often persuasive when cited in other districts if the decision is well reasoned and less controversial. This one will likely be contested, the circuits have very different ideas about gun rights.
  • 1515538 minutes ago
    Who knew that the &quot;well ackshually, technically, we&#x27;re not banning guns, we&#x27;re just requiring a serial number! (one that you cannot legally apply)&quot; strategy wouldn&#x27;t work.<p>&quot;Neener neener neener&quot; isn&#x27;t a valid legal theory.
    • mananaysiempre30 minutes ago
      &gt; &quot;Neener neener neener&quot; isn&#x27;t [a valid] legal theory.<p>Works surprisingly well when there’s no pushback. We’re not controlling news media, we’re just requiring broadcast licenses. It’s not a movie and videogame censor, it’s a state-ran agency for mandatory age ratings. (In at least one Western country that was literally a rebranding.) Or closer to TFA’s locale, we’re not regulating commercial activity within a single state, we’re just controlling its impact on the interstate market. (Don’t worry, it’s all for a good cause, child labor is bad after all.)
    • advisedwang36 minutes ago
      Those two things are in fact different. Does requiring a VIN on a car mean that cars are banned?
      • iamnothere20 minutes ago
        You don’t actually need a VIN on a car, you just won’t be able to register and drive a VINless car on public roads.<p>Some states seem to have designated even private roads as “public” if there is uncontrolled access (seems ripe for a court challenge though). But offroading or gated roads would be fine even here.<p>Some YouTubers have fun importing cheap Chinese cars that aren’t street legal and destroying them with extreme offroading.
        • Sohcahtoa8210 minutes ago
          Car&#x2F;traffic laws don&#x27;t apply on personal property (Though noise ordinances still would), but that won&#x27;t stop cops from trying to ticket you anyways.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;legaladvice&#x2F;comments&#x2F;dep350&#x2F;received_a_reckless_driving_ticket_on_my_private&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;legaladvice&#x2F;comments&#x2F;dep350&#x2F;receive...</a>
      • jp19191934 minutes ago
        Well, One is a right, the other is a privilege.
      • 1515521 minutes ago
        Tell me you have never actually read the statute without telling me.<p>Per the statute text, you may not manufacture a firearm for personal use in Colorado: the statute requires an FFL&#x27;s license number (which you do not have) to be placed in the serial number string.<p>FFLs didn&#x27;t exist in 1790 - therefore this fails <i>Bruen</i> among other standards.
    • SpicyLemonZest20 minutes ago
      &quot;Neener neener&quot; seems to be working out well for the gun rights advocates in the source article, who enjoy the absurd fiction that a lower receiver is a firearm and the entire assembly they attach on top of it is just &quot;gun parts&quot;.
      • 1515515 minutes ago
        &quot;Absurd fiction&quot; aka &quot;established law for decades.&quot; This concept of &quot;serialized part&quot; is a construct stemming from Democrat-established legislation.<p>What part of &quot;shall not be infringed&quot; is difficult to understand?
        • StefanBatory4 minutes ago
          Which part of &quot;well-regulated militia&quot; is difficult to understand? ;)
          • 151552 minutes ago
            Basic English skills? Why would the prefatory clause limit the latter? Even the most left-leaning SCOTUS justices didn&#x27;t attempt to make this argument.<p>&#x27;A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.&#x27;<p>Whose rights shall not be infringed here, the breakfast&#x27;s or the people?
        • SpicyLemonZest13 minutes ago
          I think you know that you&#x27;re deploying the &quot;neener neener&quot; strategy on me and I&#x27;m not interested in engaging with it.
          • 151554 minutes ago
            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.law.cornell.edu&#x2F;wex&#x2F;rule_of_lenity" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.law.cornell.edu&#x2F;wex&#x2F;rule_of_lenity</a><p>If one wants to make something illegal, the onus is on the lawmaker to write precise legislation. This is centuries-old legal doctrine.
  • yieldcrv50 minutes ago
    10th circuit, no other circuit ruling on the case, a state bringing the case<p>I could see this standing, there&#x27;s no point in the state appealing, as Colorado couldn&#x27;t reach another appeals circuit, and appealing to the Supreme Court limits SCOTUS to an appellate court and no original jurisdiction so the court has no reason to rule on this
    • rtkwe13 minutes ago
      I think you misunderstand how the courts work. No other court would rule on this case because it wouldn&#x27;t be heard in another circuit and the Supreme Court is the ONLY court anyone can appeal to after a circuit court, the only other options are convening a larger group for an en banc hearing but that doesn&#x27;t apply here afaik.