5 comments

  • arowthway55 minutes ago
    I don't understand, what's so fundamentally wrong with this form of insider trading? Is the accusation that it makes degenerate gambling unfair? Is it necessary for degenerate gambling to be fair? The gamblers don't seem to care.
    • sznio24 minutes ago
      beyond the general idea that we shouldn't normalize gambling, betting on some real-life events is horrid. think about insider trading on a polymarket bet for someone's death.
      • CTDOCodebases21 minutes ago
        Or even worse what happens when people start gambling that someone won’t die today? It opens the door to crowdsourced hits with plausible deniability.
      • jstanley2 minutes ago
        You missed out the <i>reason</i> that it&#x27;s horrid, which is that it is a plausibly-deniable way to crowdfund assassinations.
    • yen22323 minutes ago
      Matt Levine pointed out in a past article that the real danger of insider trading are company insiders being incentivised to damage the company to make a quick buck.
      • Terr_18 minutes ago
        &gt; insiders being incentivised to damage the company<p>I&#x27;d like to emphasize that this incentive doesn&#x27;t have to be an accidental find by the insider either: The &quot;market&quot; can end up facilitating anonymous crowd-sourced bribery by enemies or competitors, who create the potential for profit knowing that eventually an insider will take the other end of the implied deal.<p>Every time I see someone dismissing these kinds of issues--especially someone whose salary depends on not-understanding it [0] --I imagine how their tune would change if the shoe was on the other foot. For example, if someone created a &quot;prediction market&quot; where people could anonymously bet on <i>unusual deaths or serious injuries</i> of... prediction-market executives.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quoteinvestigator.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;11&#x2F;30&#x2F;salary&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;quoteinvestigator.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;11&#x2F;30&#x2F;salary&#x2F;</a>
      • bluecalm8 minutes ago
        How is it different than shorting or buying put options and then damaging the company? The tools are already there.
        • yorwba6 minutes ago
          Yes, that&#x27;s why insider trading is illegal.
    • wodenokoto41 minutes ago
      &gt; The gamblers don&#x27;t seem to care.<p>Which makes me wonder if it is actually just money laundering.
      • amwet18 minutes ago
        The obvious counter example is lotteries. People just like to gamble.
        • jessegeens7 minutes ago
          Well, you can also use normal lotteries for money laundering: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ftm.eu&#x2F;articles&#x2F;reynders-charged-in-money-laundering-probe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ftm.eu&#x2F;articles&#x2F;reynders-charged-in-money-launde...</a>
  • throwaway06651 hour ago
    These apps claim to let you turn your knowledge into money. What this means is the insiders get to cash out and the desperate suckers provide the liquidity. I&#x27;m amazed they&#x27;ve all gotten away with this for so long.
  • sixhobbits1 hour ago
    I (my agents) have been playing with the kalshi and poly market APIsv and whatever your opinion on the markets themselves it does feel like there&#x27;s a bunch of interesting things to do with such a firehose of realtime data.<p>I hope they stay as open and generous as they are now with programmatic access
    • topspin33 minutes ago
      &quot;I hope they stay as open and generous as they are now with programmatic access&quot;<p>Make a prediction for it: When will Gamma&#x2F;Data&#x2F;CLOB require subscription: 2026, 2027, etc.
  • ares6231 hour ago
    I dunno, I feel it&#x27;s just democratizing insider trading. And as everyone knows, if it has &quot;democratizing&quot; in it, that means it&#x27;s automatically good.
  • DonHopkins15 minutes ago
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